Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests
If you’re ever in the Chicago area, you’ll have to visit American Science and Surplus. The crazy signs they put on the bins are half the fun. Like a bin of surplus rubber gloves will be labeled “inflatable turkeys”. https://www.sciplus.com/ From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 12:53 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests The one labeled “Raw Meat” was my favorite. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:48 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests I’m imagining all the labeled boxes on shelves at M5 Industries. They never seemed to be in alphabetical order though, not sure how Jamie found stuff. From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 12:28 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests Last week, since it is snowing and we cannot really be outside doing directional boring, I had everyone walk the whole building. Like they do on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier looking for foreign objects that could be injected into the engine of a jet. After several hours we had 4-5 tables heaped with tools. Looked like we opened our own Harbor Freight. I did this about a year ago with same results but that time we really didn’t find a place for everything so it went to hell again. This time everything goes in a box with a label on the drawer. Now, if I want an impact wrench with the proper sockets and extensions, I can find it. In theory. I wonder how many tools I have lost in a lifetime. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:23 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests I'd like feedback on them as well. My dad's farm shop is a mess as far as tool organization is concerned. I'm going to assume that a lack of space to properly organize them contributes towards that. Lack of tool organization contributes to tool loss. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Chuck McCown" mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > To: af@af.afmug.com <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:26:20 AM Subject: [AFMUG] OT tool chests For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand boxes. So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools and supplies. Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and craftsman boxes I have. Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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The one labeled “Raw Meat” was my favorite. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:48 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests I’m imagining all the labeled boxes on shelves at M5 Industries. They never seemed to be in alphabetical order though, not sure how Jamie found stuff. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 12:28 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests Last week, since it is snowing and we cannot really be outside doing directional boring, I had everyone walk the whole building. Like they do on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier looking for foreign objects that could be injected into the engine of a jet. After several hours we had 4-5 tables heaped with tools. Looked like we opened our own Harbor Freight. I did this about a year ago with same results but that time we really didn’t find a place for everything so it went to hell again. This time everything goes in a box with a label on the drawer. Now, if I want an impact wrench with the proper sockets and extensions, I can find it. In theory. I wonder how many tools I have lost in a lifetime. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:23 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests I'd like feedback on them as well. My dad's farm shop is a mess as far as tool organization is concerned. I'm going to assume that a lack of space to properly organize them contributes towards that. Lack of tool organization contributes to tool loss. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:26:20 AM Subject: [AFMUG] OT tool chests For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand boxes. So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools and supplies. Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and craftsman boxes I have. Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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No but my dad did once on a bulldozer. Didn't help. -Original Message- From: Robert Andrews Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:43 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests Curious if you ever pulled the "build a fire under it" trick to get it started in the super cold? On 12/31/2018 10:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: If I have a large diesel out in the back lot on a day when the temps are hitting 0 degrees, I need all the cranking I can get. Alternators frequently go up to 16 volts. I will have some cable voltage drop. And you do want to spin the motor faster than normal when cold cranking a cranky diesel. Especially if you have run some thing out of fuel on a job site. I have had to crank a backhoe a half hour to get it to go, and that is after cracking open all the injector lines. I remember back on the farm, our old 6 volt John Deere wheel tractor got much more well behaved when we put an 8 volt battery in it and adjusted the generator to charge at 9 volts. Say you want to deliver 300 amps to a bulldozer 0 gauge wire has 10 milli ohm for 100 loop feet. Times 300 amps leaves us with 3 volt drop. So my 18 volt battery pack is now 15 volts. Should spin the engine nicely. I will probably do 16 volts. Like to know how much voltage those booster starters put out. The only way they can give you more amps is to give you more volts. I’ll bet they hit 16 if not 18 volts when in the boost position. *From:* Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 11:00 AM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests Why the extra voltage? Compensate for resistance of long cable? Might be safer to just spend more money for heavier gauge wire. Having once exploded a battery I was jumping on a zero degree day, I am cautious about creating sparks around hydrogen. Getting sprayed with sulfuric acid is not fun. I guess if you follow the last connection to the chassis rule you are OK. But the idea of using an 18 volt battery would scare me. And is it really necessary? If there’s AC available, I like the approach of hooking up a battery charger. Let it charge for 10 minutes on highest current setting and most cars will start even with a weak battery. But you are looking for a portable system. Most of my portable generators have a 12V DC output that they say you can use for starting cars or charging batteries. I haven’t tried it. Need the special cable. *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 10:56 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about it. bp On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for plumbing and pneumatic I think. I have several Kennedy’s for machine shop. On a different subject, finally got a newish forklift battery. Old one had a bad cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you couldn’t leave it on the charger without risking overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was always low on charge and would shutdown prematurely. Gonna build a boss man jumper battery system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’ of welding cables. The question is: how much voltage? 16 volts at least but I am considering 18 volts. Enough cells to make two of these. One I think I will make forkball with the skid steer for jump starting around the shop. I know auto systems can take 16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy wrote: Yeah, pretty nice chests. I bought one for the shop this year. I also thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different colors. On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown wrote: For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand boxes. So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools and supplies. Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and craftsman boxes I have. Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af
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I’m imagining all the labeled boxes on shelves at M5 Industries. They never seemed to be in alphabetical order though, not sure how Jamie found stuff. From: AF On Behalf Of Chuck McCown Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 12:28 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests Last week, since it is snowing and we cannot really be outside doing directional boring, I had everyone walk the whole building. Like they do on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier looking for foreign objects that could be injected into the engine of a jet. After several hours we had 4-5 tables heaped with tools. Looked like we opened our own Harbor Freight. I did this about a year ago with same results but that time we really didn’t find a place for everything so it went to hell again. This time everything goes in a box with a label on the drawer. Now, if I want an impact wrench with the proper sockets and extensions, I can find it. In theory. I wonder how many tools I have lost in a lifetime. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:23 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests I'd like feedback on them as well. My dad's farm shop is a mess as far as tool organization is concerned. I'm going to assume that a lack of space to properly organize them contributes towards that. Lack of tool organization contributes to tool loss. - Mike Hammett <http://www.ics-il.com/> Intelligent Computing Solutions <https://www.facebook.com/ICSIL> <https://plus.google.com/+IntelligentComputingSolutionsDeKalb> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/intelligent-computing-solutions> <https://twitter.com/ICSIL> <http://www.midwest-ix.com/> Midwest Internet Exchange <https://www.facebook.com/mdwestix> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/midwest-internet-exchange> <https://twitter.com/mdwestix> <http://www.thebrotherswisp.com/> The Brothers WISP <https://www.facebook.com/thebrotherswisp> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCXSdfxQv7SpoRQYNyLwntZg> _ From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:26:20 AM Subject: [AFMUG] OT tool chests For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand boxes. So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools and supplies. Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and craftsman boxes I have. Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com _ -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Curious if you ever pulled the "build a fire under it" trick to get it started in the super cold? On 12/31/2018 10:22 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: If I have a large diesel out in the back lot on a day when the temps are hitting 0 degrees, I need all the cranking I can get. Alternators frequently go up to 16 volts. I will have some cable voltage drop. And you do want to spin the motor faster than normal when cold cranking a cranky diesel. Especially if you have run some thing out of fuel on a job site. I have had to crank a backhoe a half hour to get it to go, and that is after cracking open all the injector lines. I remember back on the farm, our old 6 volt John Deere wheel tractor got much more well behaved when we put an 8 volt battery in it and adjusted the generator to charge at 9 volts. Say you want to deliver 300 amps to a bulldozer 0 gauge wire has 10 milli ohm for 100 loop feet. Times 300 amps leaves us with 3 volt drop. So my 18 volt battery pack is now 15 volts. Should spin the engine nicely. I will probably do 16 volts. Like to know how much voltage those booster starters put out. The only way they can give you more amps is to give you more volts. I’ll bet they hit 16 if not 18 volts when in the boost position. *From:* Ken Hohhof *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 11:00 AM *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests Why the extra voltage? Compensate for resistance of long cable? Might be safer to just spend more money for heavier gauge wire. Having once exploded a battery I was jumping on a zero degree day, I am cautious about creating sparks around hydrogen. Getting sprayed with sulfuric acid is not fun. I guess if you follow the last connection to the chassis rule you are OK. But the idea of using an 18 volt battery would scare me. And is it really necessary? If there’s AC available, I like the approach of hooking up a battery charger. Let it charge for 10 minutes on highest current setting and most cars will start even with a weak battery. But you are looking for a portable system. Most of my portable generators have a 12V DC output that they say you can use for starting cars or charging batteries. I haven’t tried it. Need the special cable. *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 10:56 AM *To:* af@af.afmug.com *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about it. bp On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for plumbing and pneumatic I think. I have several Kennedy’s for machine shop. On a different subject, finally got a newish forklift battery. Old one had a bad cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you couldn’t leave it on the charger without risking overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was always low on charge and would shutdown prematurely. Gonna build a boss man jumper battery system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’ of welding cables. The question is: how much voltage? 16 volts at least but I am considering 18 volts. Enough cells to make two of these. One I think I will make forkball with the skid steer for jump starting around the shop. I know auto systems can take 16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy wrote: Yeah, pretty nice chests. I bought one for the shop this year. I also thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different colors. On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown wrote: For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand boxes. So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools and supplies. Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and craftsman boxes I have. Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af
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The minions say that the chests are largely totally assembled. One of them had to have the wheels put on, the other was totally assembled. But you could put it on the roof of the Corolla, get a buddy and each of you put a arm out the window and hold it as you drive. From: Andrew Haninger Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:15 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests I'm curious - are any of these chests self assemble-able or do they all come preassembled? I've considered getting one for my home but I don't think I could fit one in my Corolla unless it was in smaller pieces. Also On Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 13:01 Ken Hohhof On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about it. bp On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for plumbing and pneumatic I think. I have several Kennedy’s for machine shop. On a different subject, finally got a newish forklift battery. Old one had a bad cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you couldn’t leave it on the charger without risking overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was always low on charge and would shutdown prematurely. Gonna build a boss man jumper battery system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’ of welding cables. The question is: how much voltage? 16 volts at least but I am considering 18 volts. Enough cells to make two of these. One I think I will make forkball with the skid steer for jump starting around the shop. I know auto systems can take 16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy wrote: Yeah, pretty nice chests. I bought one for the shop this year. I also thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different colors. On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown wrote: For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand boxes. So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools and supplies. Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and craftsman boxes I have. Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I think if we were to properly lay out space for each tool instead of throwing everything in a drawer however you can get it to fit so the drawer closes, we'd double our space needs. Hence, looking at maybe getting another tool box. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 12:31:24 PM Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests We organized our machine shop tool box years ago. Foam cutouts for mics and calipers etc etc. It has stayed remarkably intact and organized. Place for everything and labels on the drawers has seemingly made all the difference. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:23 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests I'd like feedback on them as well. My dad's farm shop is a mess as far as tool organization is concerned. I'm going to assume that a lack of space to properly organize them contributes towards that. Lack of tool organization contributes to tool loss. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:26:20 AM Subject: [AFMUG] OT tool chests For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand boxes. So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools and supplies. Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and craftsman boxes I have. Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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We organized our machine shop tool box years ago. Foam cutouts for mics and calipers etc etc. It has stayed remarkably intact and organized. Place for everything and labels on the drawers has seemingly made all the difference. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:23 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests I'd like feedback on them as well. My dad's farm shop is a mess as far as tool organization is concerned. I'm going to assume that a lack of space to properly organize them contributes towards that. Lack of tool organization contributes to tool loss. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:26:20 AM Subject: [AFMUG] OT tool chests For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand boxes. So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools and supplies. Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and craftsman boxes I have. Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Last week, since it is snowing and we cannot really be outside doing directional boring, I had everyone walk the whole building. Like they do on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier looking for foreign objects that could be injected into the engine of a jet. After several hours we had 4-5 tables heaped with tools. Looked like we opened our own Harbor Freight. I did this about a year ago with same results but that time we really didn’t find a place for everything so it went to hell again. This time everything goes in a box with a label on the drawer. Now, if I want an impact wrench with the proper sockets and extensions, I can find it. In theory. I wonder how many tools I have lost in a lifetime. From: Mike Hammett Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:23 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests I'd like feedback on them as well. My dad's farm shop is a mess as far as tool organization is concerned. I'm going to assume that a lack of space to properly organize them contributes towards that. Lack of tool organization contributes to tool loss. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:26:20 AM Subject: [AFMUG] OT tool chests For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand boxes. So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools and supplies. Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and craftsman boxes I have. Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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You need to assemble. I had the minions do it so I don’t know how involved it was. But they sure look great. From: Andrew Haninger Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:15 AM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests I'm curious - are any of these chests self assemble-able or do they all come preassembled? I've considered getting one for my home but I don't think I could fit one in my Corolla unless it was in smaller pieces. Also On Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 13:01 Ken Hohhof On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about it. bp On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for plumbing and pneumatic I think. I have several Kennedy’s for machine shop. On a different subject, finally got a newish forklift battery. Old one had a bad cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you couldn’t leave it on the charger without risking overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was always low on charge and would shutdown prematurely. Gonna build a boss man jumper battery system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’ of welding cables. The question is: how much voltage? 16 volts at least but I am considering 18 volts. Enough cells to make two of these. One I think I will make forkball with the skid steer for jump starting around the shop. I know auto systems can take 16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy wrote: Yeah, pretty nice chests. I bought one for the shop this year. I also thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different colors. On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown wrote: For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand boxes. So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools and supplies. Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and craftsman boxes I have. Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I'd like feedback on them as well. My dad's farm shop is a mess as far as tool organization is concerned. I'm going to assume that a lack of space to properly organize them contributes towards that. Lack of tool organization contributes to tool loss. - Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions Midwest Internet Exchange The Brothers WISP - Original Message - From: "Chuck McCown" To: af@af.afmug.com Sent: Saturday, December 29, 2018 11:26:20 AM Subject: [AFMUG] OT tool chests For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand boxes. So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools and supplies. Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and craftsman boxes I have. Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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If I have a large diesel out in the back lot on a day when the temps are hitting 0 degrees, I need all the cranking I can get. Alternators frequently go up to 16 volts. I will have some cable voltage drop. And you do want to spin the motor faster than normal when cold cranking a cranky diesel. Especially if you have run some thing out of fuel on a job site. I have had to crank a backhoe a half hour to get it to go, and that is after cracking open all the injector lines. I remember back on the farm, our old 6 volt John Deere wheel tractor got much more well behaved when we put an 8 volt battery in it and adjusted the generator to charge at 9 volts. Say you want to deliver 300 amps to a bulldozer 0 gauge wire has 10 milli ohm for 100 loop feet. Times 300 amps leaves us with 3 volt drop. So my 18 volt battery pack is now 15 volts. Should spin the engine nicely. I will probably do 16 volts. Like to know how much voltage those booster starters put out. The only way they can give you more amps is to give you more volts. I’ll bet they hit 16 if not 18 volts when in the boost position. From: Ken Hohhof Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 11:00 AM To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests Why the extra voltage? Compensate for resistance of long cable? Might be safer to just spend more money for heavier gauge wire. Having once exploded a battery I was jumping on a zero degree day, I am cautious about creating sparks around hydrogen. Getting sprayed with sulfuric acid is not fun. I guess if you follow the last connection to the chassis rule you are OK. But the idea of using an 18 volt battery would scare me. And is it really necessary? If there’s AC available, I like the approach of hooking up a battery charger. Let it charge for 10 minutes on highest current setting and most cars will start even with a weak battery. But you are looking for a portable system. Most of my portable generators have a 12V DC output that they say you can use for starting cars or charging batteries. I haven’t tried it. Need the special cable. From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about it. bp On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for plumbing and pneumatic I think. I have several Kennedy’s for machine shop. On a different subject, finally got a newish forklift battery. Old one had a bad cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you couldn’t leave it on the charger without risking overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was always low on charge and would shutdown prematurely. Gonna build a boss man jumper battery system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’ of welding cables. The question is: how much voltage? 16 volts at least but I am considering 18 volts. Enough cells to make two of these. One I think I will make forkball with the skid steer for jump starting around the shop. I know auto systems can take 16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy wrote: Yeah, pretty nice chests. I bought one for the shop this year. I also thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different colors. On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown wrote: For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand boxes. So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools and supplies. Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and craftsman boxes I have. Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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I'm curious - are any of these chests self assemble-able or do they all come preassembled? I've considered getting one for my home but I don't think I could fit one in my Corolla unless it was in smaller pieces. Also On Mon, Dec 31, 2018, 13:01 Ken Hohhof Why the extra voltage? Compensate for resistance of long cable? Might be > safer to just spend more money for heavier gauge wire. > > > > Having once exploded a battery I was jumping on a zero degree day, I am > cautious about creating sparks around hydrogen. Getting sprayed with > sulfuric acid is not fun. I guess if you follow the last connection to > the chassis rule you are OK. But the idea of using an 18 volt battery > would scare me. And is it really necessary? > > > > If there’s AC available, I like the approach of hooking up a battery > charger. Let it charge for 10 minutes on highest current setting and most > cars will start even with a weak battery. But you are looking for a > portable system. Most of my portable generators have a 12V DC output that > they say you can use for starting cars or charging batteries. I haven’t > tried it. Need the special cable. > > > > > > *From:* AF *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince > *Sent:* Monday, December 31, 2018 10:56 AM > *To:* af@af.afmug.com > *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests > > > > If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about it. > > > > bp > > > > > > On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: > > Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for > plumbing and pneumatic I think. I have several Kennedy’s for machine > shop. On a different subject, finally got a newish forklift battery. Old > one had a bad cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you couldn’t leave it > on the charger without risking overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was > always low on charge and would shutdown prematurely. Gonna build a boss > man jumper battery system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’ > of welding cables. The question is: how much voltage? 16 volts at least > but I am considering 18 volts. Enough cells to make two of these. One I > think I will make forkball with the skid steer for jump starting around the > shop. I know auto systems can take 16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy wrote: > > Yeah, pretty nice chests. I bought one for the shop this year. I also > thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different > colors. > > > > On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > > For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. > Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. > > > > Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out > their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name > brand boxes. > > > > So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical > tools and supplies. > > Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they > are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The > ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and > craftsman boxes I have. > > > > Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > > > > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Why the extra voltage? Compensate for resistance of long cable? Might be safer to just spend more money for heavier gauge wire. Having once exploded a battery I was jumping on a zero degree day, I am cautious about creating sparks around hydrogen. Getting sprayed with sulfuric acid is not fun. I guess if you follow the last connection to the chassis rule you are OK. But the idea of using an 18 volt battery would scare me. And is it really necessary? If there’s AC available, I like the approach of hooking up a battery charger. Let it charge for 10 minutes on highest current setting and most cars will start even with a weak battery. But you are looking for a portable system. Most of my portable generators have a 12V DC output that they say you can use for starting cars or charging batteries. I haven’t tried it. Need the special cable. From: AF On Behalf Of Bill Prince Sent: Monday, December 31, 2018 10:56 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT tool chests If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about it. bp On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for plumbing and pneumatic I think. I have several Kennedy’s for machine shop. On a different subject, finally got a newish forklift battery. Old one had a bad cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you couldn’t leave it on the charger without risking overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was always low on charge and would shutdown prematurely. Gonna build a boss man jumper battery system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’ of welding cables. The question is: how much voltage? 16 volts at least but I am considering 18 volts. Enough cells to make two of these. One I think I will make forkball with the skid steer for jump starting around the shop. I know auto systems can take 16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy mailto:jeremysmi...@gmail.com> > wrote: Yeah, pretty nice chests. I bought one for the shop this year. I also thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different colors. On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote: For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand boxes. So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools and supplies. Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and craftsman boxes I have. Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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If there are any electronics in the vehicle, I would worry about it. bp On 12/31/2018 8:42 AM, Chuck McCown wrote: Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for plumbing and pneumatic I think. I have several Kennedy’s for machine shop. On a different subject, finally got a newish forklift battery. Old one had a bad cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you couldn’t leave it on the charger without risking overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was always low on charge and would shutdown prematurely. Gonna build a boss man jumper battery system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’ of welding cables. The question is: how much voltage? 16 volts at least but I am considering 18 volts. Enough cells to make two of these. One I think I will make forkball with the skid steer for jump starting around the shop. I know auto systems can take 16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremywrote: Yeah, pretty nice chests. I bought one for the shop this year. I also thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different colors. On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown wrote: For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name brand boxes. So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical tools and supplies. Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and craftsman boxes I have. Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Yep, red for electrical. Black for mechanical. Like to have one for plumbing and pneumatic I think. I have several Kennedy’s for machine shop. On a different subject, finally got a newish forklift battery. Old one had a bad cell that I had jumpered. Problem was you couldn’t leave it on the charger without risking overcharge. Also the forklift thought it was always low on charge and would shutdown prematurely. Gonna build a boss man jumper battery system. Put it in the back of the service truck with 50’ of welding cables. The question is: how much voltage? 16 volts at least but I am considering 18 volts. Enough cells to make two of these. One I think I will make forkball with the skid steer for jump starting around the shop. I know auto systems can take 16 volts without issue. Is 18 too much? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2018, at 9:25 AM, Jeremy wrote: > > Yeah, pretty nice chests. I bought one for the shop this year. I also > thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different > colors. > >> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown wrote: >> For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. >> Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. >> >> Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out >> their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name >> brand boxes. >> >> So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical >> tools and supplies. >> Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they >> are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The >> ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and >> craftsman boxes I have. >> >> Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. >> -- >> AF mailing list >> AF@af.afmug.com >> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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Yeah, pretty nice chests. I bought one for the shop this year. I also thought it was pretty cool that they now sell them in like ten different colors. On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 10:27 AM Chuck McCown wrote: > For the past year I have been monitoring pricing on used tool chests. > Snap-On, MAC etc. Pricing them out by cents per cubic inch etc. > > Last week was in Harbor Freight getting some air fittings and checked out > their tool chests. Brand new price is lower than the used pricing on name > brand boxes. > > So I bought a couple of them. One for mechanic tools one for electrical > tools and supplies. > Pretty nice. The castors are not ball bearing but at least, for now, they > are rolling nice. The steel is not any thinner than name brand boxes. The > ball bearing drawer slides are better than some old non bearing kennedy and > craftsman boxes I have. > > Too bad their sales always seem to exclude tool chests. > -- > AF mailing list > AF@af.afmug.com > http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com > -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com