Re: [AFMUG] List

2018-06-07 Thread Carl Peterson
"Waking up with a new girlfriend that you don’t know" belongs on both the pro and con lists. On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 12:31 AM, CBB - Jay Fuller wrote: > > Awaiting the arrival of our new home. > > Thanks for the help for the past 5 years Pauldont go anywhere:) > > Glad you are smiling a

[AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-07 Thread Matt Mangriotis
I would really like to get your opinions on this topic... would a 450 device like this help you in your network? Now's you chance to comment and help direct us! Please fill out the short survey and add any other info you'd like. It's only 16 questions. Matt From: Af On Behalf Of Ray Savich

[AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-07 Thread Ray Savich
Add your input to the Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey. https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/CambiumMicroPOP Join the Conversation Cambium Networks Community Forum

Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25

2018-06-07 Thread David Sovereen
I agree that those are the items to focus on with OSHA. > Item 1: > "The employer did not require a competent person to inspect." Except that is incorrect. The person who fell WAS a competent person. He held a “Competent Climber” certification card from CITCA. A significant portion of

Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25

2018-06-07 Thread Chuck McCown
I have found that the more you start a sentence with “can you help me” the better it is. From: David Sovereen Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 12:00 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Rohn 25 I agree that those are the items to focus on with OSHA. Item 1: "The employer did not

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

2018-06-07 Thread Lewis Bergman
Gino would probably be your best source for advice as I'll bet he has one of the largest networks of similar construction. I think he went MPLS to deal with a variety of issues he was having, including OSPF. But maybe Gino can speak up on the issue. Typically, if you didn't want to do anything

[AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

2018-06-07 Thread Brough Turner
We're an urban WISP with a dense mesh of wireless links and a router per building. I am concerned that, without paying attention, we have grown to 600+ routers and ~2550 routes in one OSPF domain. This network has a diverse mix of routers from CCR1036s down to RB750UPs. We're not having any OSPF

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

2018-06-07 Thread Mark Radabaugh
As long as it’s stable you are nowhere near the limits of OSPF as a IGP, and there are a number of fairly simple ways to start to segment the network when you start to reach the limits. OSPF itself is fine but during network instability situations you may run into issues with CPU on some of

Re: [AFMUG] from Paul - List hosting

2018-06-07 Thread chuck
He did die. Couple of years ago. Wife # 7(?) and an unethical estate attorney carried on the fight (along with about a dozen other attorneys). Aided of course by all the 30 something middle managers that were slid into the positions vacated after the massacre 4.5 years ago. I say she is

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

2018-06-07 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Also worth mentioning that a lot of OSPF documentation available on the Internet, makes assumptions that were valid in 2002 or so... When a typical router had a lot less DRAM and CPU. Such as a Cisco 3725/3745 or even something smaller like a 2621. Probably still true if you're trying to do OSPF

Re: [AFMUG] from Paul - List hosting

2018-06-07 Thread chuck
No expiration. But I am sure there would not be big money either... -Original Message- From: Seth Mattinen Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2018 2:01 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] from Paul - List hosting On 6/6/18 12:10, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: That storm cloud that followed me for

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber Mapping - 2018

2018-06-07 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Purpose built fiber mapping tools with a SQL database backend definitely do exist - but you're looking at license costs that are prohibitive for all but the biggest ISPs. The sort of money for which you could hire a full time splicer and equip a splicing trailer + its operating costs...

Re: [AFMUG] from Paul - List hosting

2018-06-07 Thread Robert Andrews
When the bastard dies On 06/07/2018 01:01 PM, Seth Mattinen wrote: On 6/6/18 12:10, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: That storm cloud that followed me for 1366 days has been gone for a few months now. I am under a confidentiality agreement and a non disparagement agreement so not going to say too

Re: [AFMUG] from Paul - List hosting

2018-06-07 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 6/6/18 12:10, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: That storm cloud that followed me for 1366 days has been gone for a few months now.  I am under a confidentiality agreement and a non disparagement agreement so not going to say too much. Does it have an expiration so you can write a tell all exposé

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

2018-06-07 Thread Dennis Burgess
This is a “unanswerable” question. In honesty, you can have 20k routes in OSPF and it be responsive so the routing platform does not have a limit. The number of routers, is another issue, if you have 500 routers all fiber connected and they don’t go up/down much, then no big deal, however, if

Re: [AFMUG] from Paul - List hosting

2018-06-07 Thread Robert Andrews
ess On 06/07/2018 02:20 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote: He did die. Couple of years ago. Wife # 7(?) and an unethical estate attorney carried on the fight (along with about a dozen other attorneys). Aided of course by all the 30 something middle managers that were slid into the positions vacated

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

2018-06-07 Thread Gino A. Villarini
Our network by all means is flat as all services converge into our core. We started by using vlans and qinq but later migrated to mpls/vpls. Now watching evpn as the next step.. From: Af mailto:af-boun...@afmug.com>> on behalf of Lewis Bergman mailto:lewis.berg...@gmail.com>> Reply-To:

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

2018-06-07 Thread Josh Baird
But you are still running MPLS on top of some IGP (OSPF, etc)? On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 7:47 PM, Gino A. Villarini wrote: > Our network by all means is flat as all services converge into our core. > We started by using vlans and qinq but later migrated to mpls/vpls. > > Now watching evpn as the

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

2018-06-07 Thread Eric Kuhnke
He's talking about having all routers in OSPF area 0, not a truly flat L2 broadcast-domain nightmare. On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 5:15 PM, Chuck McCown wrote: > To me, flat network means all MACs are in the same broadcast domain. > That is what I did with my first Canopy system. > Did not even know

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

2018-06-07 Thread Chuck McCown
To me, flat network means all MACs are in the same broadcast domain. That is what I did with my first Canopy system. Did not even know what a VLAN was back then. From: Gino A. Villarini Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 5:47 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

2018-06-07 Thread Chuck McCown
Yeah, nightmare... From: Eric Kuhnke Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2018 6:33 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow? He's talking about having all routers in OSPF area 0, not a truly flat L2 broadcast-domain nightmare. On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 5:15 PM,

[AFMUG] Underbed truck boxes for small POP enclosure

2018-06-07 Thread Eric Kuhnke
If anyone has modified an underbody truck box for a small POP - can you share some photos? Looking at a few different 24" and 36" width models now with gasketed door.

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-07 Thread George Skorup
Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a 450-based micro-POP product when we have ePMP? Just askin'. On 6/7/2018 10:29 AM, Matt Mangriotis wrote: I would really like to get your opinions on this topic� would a 450 device like this help you in your network?

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-07 Thread Steve Jones
cause the operator is trying to get off meth and figure if they waste all their money buying more AP than is required they wont have any money for the crank On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 9:47 PM George Skorup wrote: > Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a > 450-based

Re: [AFMUG] OSPF - How large can a flat network grow?

2018-06-07 Thread Bill Prince
I think we all started with really flat networks, and I think of them the same way as Chuck; all L2 accessible. One subnet. That really only works for about 200-250 subscribers, and then you are done. If you've got 10, 100, or 1000 routes in an OSPF design, you are not really "flat" except by

Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks MicroPOP survey

2018-06-07 Thread Mathew Howard
I could see somebody that has an all 450 network wanting something like that, but since we have no 450 (other than 900mhz... ), I'd have no use for such a thing. On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 9:47 PM, George Skorup wrote: > Ok, I guess I have to be the one to say this. Why would we want a > 450-based