Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

2016-10-15 Thread Eric Kuhnke
There's also a lot of PR bullshit that gets repeated by the technology media and in explanations to non technical customers, such as showing somebody a multimode OM4 cable used for intra-building 100GbE with MPO/MTP connectors. 100GBase-SR4 optics are cheap (relatively) but require running a MPO/M

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

2016-10-15 Thread chuck
Talking theoretical max here. Petabits per second or more. Nobody really knows for certain. -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Saturday, October 15, 2016 12:10 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout How many different modes can you put on a

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

2016-10-15 Thread fiberrun
> How many different modes can you put on a fiber??? Singlemode fiber supports, as it's name indicates, one fundamental mode, which consists of two orthogonal polarization modes. Multimode fibers support more than 100 modes. The problem is, we don't have the MIMO technology to deal with mo

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

2016-10-15 Thread Chuck McCown
How many different modes can you put on a fiber??? Each mode can max out Shannon. -Original Message- From: fiber...@mail.com Sent: Friday, October 14, 2016 11:50 PM To: af@afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout Nobody yet knows the theoretical max as you can jack up

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

2016-10-14 Thread fiberrun
> Nobody yet knows the theoretical max as you can jack up the power > until things start melting and get more bandwidth.  Not quite. You can't just jack up the power, unless you also manage to improve your SNR. The maximum theoretical bandwidth of singlemode fiber is dependent on SNR and wheth

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

2016-10-14 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Here's a good primer on super channels (larger-than-standard ITU DWDM grid spacing, high capacity DWDM stuff) https://www.infinera.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/SuperChannel_WhitePaper.pdf On Fri, Oct 14, 2016 at 4:47 PM, TJ Trout wrote: > What is the current max throughout that can be sent ov

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

2016-10-14 Thread Eric Kuhnke
Max throughput you could do right now with something you can buy, expensive DWDM systems that can do 200 or 400 Gbps 16QAM modulated "super channels". Each carrying two or four 100GbE circuits. Multiplied by about 40 channels. Or 80 channel x 100GbE QPSK or 16QAM modulated DWDM systems with direct

Re: [AFMUG] Fiber maximum throughout

2016-10-14 Thread Chuck McCown
Well, depends on lab stuff or stuff you can buy. Nobody yet knows the theoretical max as you can jack up the power until things start melting and get more bandwidth. And you can use goofy modes too. I have heard estimates of 10 petabits per second as something achievable. This real world sys