Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-24 Thread Matt Mahoney
Oops, I mean chimpanzees not gorillas. They outperform humans in short term memory tests. https://youtu.be/ravykEih1rE On Sun, Feb 24, 2019, 9:46 AM Stefan Reich via AGI wrote: > > For example, you cannot learn to remember a 20 digit permutation on a > screen and immediately recall it back no ma

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-24 Thread Jim Bromer
I've always found that supplied code did not work just the way I wanted it to. A little like the new string that cannot be changed. I mean it is not that difficult to use an alternative or to even build a simple function but if you want to change a string in place you pretty much have to use some a

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-24 Thread Linas Vepstas
Jim, I tried to make the github://opencog/atomspace to be a collection of things that seem to be generically useful for anyone working on a broad range of agi-ideas. If they are not actually useful for someone's particular theory, I cannot help that. By contrast, the github://opencog/opencog is a

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-24 Thread Jim Bromer
I wonder if there could be an open source where people or teams might be able to try their own ideas without being persuaded to pursue someone else's overarching theory? Jim Bromer On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 12:09 PM Mike Archbold wrote: > On 2/24/19, Matt Mahoney wrote: > > Colin, I think the so

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-24 Thread Mike Archbold
On 2/24/19, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Colin, I think the source of our disagreement is that we have very > different ideas about what we mean by AGI. To you, AGI is an autonomous > agent that learns on its own by doing science (experiments). It is > completely general and can work in any field like a

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-24 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
> For example, you cannot learn to remember a 20 digit permutation on a screen and immediately recall it back no matter how much you practice, which a something a gorilla can do because its DNA is different. Gorillas can do that? On Sun, 24 Feb 2019 at 14:46, Matt Mahoney wrote: > Colin, I thin

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-24 Thread Matt Mahoney
Colin, I think the source of our disagreement is that we have very different ideas about what we mean by AGI. To you, AGI is an autonomous agent that learns on its own by doing science (experiments). It is completely general and can work in any field like a real human. To me, AGI means automating a

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-23 Thread Colin Hales
Matt: "When you put millions of these specialists together you have AGI." No you don't Says who? (1) Where's the proof? (2) Where's the principle that suggests it? You have neither of these things. Even if you had both these things you'd still have to build AGI and test it assuming they are f

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-23 Thread Matt Mahoney
OpenCog is one open source effort. But real progress in AI like Google, Siri, Alexa etc. is not just software. It's hundreds of petabytes of data from the 4 billion people on the internet and the millions of CPUs needed to process it. It's not just something you could download and run. I realize i

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-23 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
If God in his infinite wisdom also made Mentifex, so who are we to question? =) On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 23:37, justcamel wrote: > Either this guy is using 3 alter egos to spam the list with stuff > regarding his programmatical horse shit or people are just that > ill-equipped ... > > For the pas

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-23 Thread justcamel
Either this guy is using 3 alter egos to spam the list with stuff regarding his programmatical horse shit or people are just that ill-equipped ... For the past 30 years, I have done everything from writing carrier grade provisioning systems to reverse engineering computer games and writing "a

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-23 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
Ah, they sell the dataset: https://www.existor.com/products/cleverbot-data-for-machine-learning/ On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 21:01, Stefan Reich < stefan.reich.maker.of@googlemail.com> wrote: > > I would like to know why there isn't even an opensource Cleverbot effort. > > Are the original dialogs

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-23 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
> I would like to know why there isn't even an opensource Cleverbot effort. Are the original dialogs from Cleverbot not open source? That is actually sad. > I know Mentiflex is widely touted as an open source AGI but most folks have problems with the source as written. You mean Mentifex? Uhm...

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-23 Thread A.T. Murray
http://ai.neocities.org/FirstWorkingAGI.html is the JavaScript tutorial version of an "open source AGI effort" composed of fifty mind-modules and able (in Perl) to think in English or Russian. The three open-source AGI Minds are capable of automated reasoning with logical inference. Each AGI uses c

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-23 Thread Ed Pell
Cool. What is the github name? On 2/23/2019 12:34 PM, Stefan Reich via AGI wrote: I'm doing one. On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 18:33, Ed Pell mailto:edp...@optonline.net>> wrote: All, why is there no open source AGI effort? Ed Pell -- Stefan Reich BotCompany.de // Java-based operating systems *Art

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-23 Thread David Whitten
I would like to know why there isn't even an opensource Cleverbot effort. I think it would be a useful thing to have as a way to create pairs of input response chains. I have coded a simple one, but don't know why the data is not easily accessible for the original, as I can see how it would be a us

Re: [agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-23 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
I'm doing one. On Sat, 23 Feb 2019 at 18:33, Ed Pell wrote: > All, why is there no open source AGI effort? > > Ed Pell > -- Stefan Reich BotCompany.de // Java-based operating systems -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://ag

[agi] open source AGI effort

2019-02-23 Thread Ed Pell
All, why is there no open source AGI effort? Ed Pell -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/T69c9e23ba6b51be9-Mf83a3bdaaddc10fb4ee4e7f6 Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscriptio