RE: [agi] EM fields thread.

2015-05-14 Thread colin hales
Exactly 10 commandments. Nice one. I am done. -Original Message- From: Alan Grimes alonz...@verizon.net Sent: ‎14/‎05/‎2015 11:06 PM To: AGI a...@listbox.com Subject: [agi] EM fields thread. I'm about three days away from formally requesting a killthread on this EM fields crap. 1.

[agi] EM fields thread.

2015-05-14 Thread Alan Grimes
I'm about three days away from formally requesting a killthread on this EM fields crap. 1. Electromagnetism has been Well Understood (tm) for about 140 years now. 2. By [nearly] all accounts, EM fields in the brain are secondary to its operation. 3. Neural Science is a well established field that

Re: [agi] EM fields thread.

2015-05-14 Thread Steve Richfield
Ben, I don't know what Alan's problem is, but it appears he doesn't understand forums in general, and this forum in particular. As Alan's first objection to threads that has been running for several days, Alan rises up to request that the subject be killed!!! This is absurd. The whole purpose

Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence

2015-05-14 Thread Mark Seveland
+1 Dorian. Mark likes this. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:17 AM, Dorian Aur dorian...@gmail.com wrote: We need to create an infrastructure e.g. the *Institute of General Intelligence, *elect/appoint a board of directors to manage the entire organization*.* Only a small fraction of

Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence

2015-05-14 Thread Alan Grimes
Dorian Aur wrote: Here is the rationale: a.Why use a digital computer to simulate/map or emulate the whole brain • It cannot express all forms of computation that are built within biological structure (see neuroelectrodynamics); Evidence? • Needs many megawatts to power the system (huge

[agi] Institute of General Intelligence

2015-05-14 Thread Dorian Aur
We need to create an infrastructure e.g. the *Institute of General Intelligence, *elect/appoint a board of directors to manage the entire organization*.* Only a small fraction of funding that is currently allocated for the BRAIN Initiative or Human Brain Project in EU would be enough to

Re: [agi] EM fields thread.

2015-05-14 Thread Steve Richfield
Colin, Unfortunately you responded to this idiot before I had a chance. I suggest reading my response. EVERY forum has a village idiot. The total stupidity of this guy's posting is plain for all to see. He obviously has some mental issues, as he explains near the end of his posting. PLEASE don't

RE: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence

2015-05-14 Thread colin hales
+100 to Dorian. Nailed it good. Dorian is one of the few people that understands the difference between 'nature as computation' and the use of computers. Like me he merely wants to solve the problem of AGI and can see another way. Read his book Neuroelectrodynamics. I bought it and read it.

Re: [agi] Restating Colin's Hypothesis

2015-05-14 Thread Felipe Carmona Miquilini
We are a good example of Intelligent beings, I mean in our point of view, we are an awesome starting point of an instance of an intelligent being. Being so it is quite logic to compare our conceptual models and/or approach in AGI alongside our own inner models. And I think it will drive to a

Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence

2015-05-14 Thread Mark Seveland
Hmm, I guess that would leave me out, since I have no formal education. Just 48 years at the school of hard knocks. On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Dorian Aur dorian...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent Colin! We shall start with proposals for the board of directors. They will need to make

Re: [agi] EM fields thread.

2015-05-14 Thread Logan Streondj
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 09:07:08AM -0400, Alan Grimes wrote: I'm about three days away from formally requesting a killthread on this EM fields crap. 10. I have some pretty strong hypothesii about how the brain works but I'm frustrated by my inability to test those hypothesii for lack of a

Re: [agi] Restating Colin's Hypothesis

2015-05-14 Thread Felipe Carmona Miquilini
Two questions, Two points of view, One problem Why are computers less intelligent than us? Why do we consider computers less intelligent than us? Why are we focusing on creating computers with more functionality instead of focusing on solving the problem of the hungry and other suffering from

Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence

2015-05-14 Thread Dorian Aur
Excellent Colin! We shall start with proposals for the board of directors. They will need to make strategic decisions and oversee the entire management of the Institute. It should include , former academic, professional mentors and retired executives from all connected areas: a.Businesses

RE: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence

2015-05-14 Thread colin hales
Dorian,  Lots of possible folk out there that might see the need for such an institute that actually does something other than futurism and existential threat analysis. Need a scope and mission too. One that enrolls all points of view and concerns... Will work on a doc. In relation to

Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence

2015-05-14 Thread Logan Streondj
On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 10:17:11AM -0700, Dorian Aur wrote: We need to create an infrastructure e.g. the *Institute of General Intelligence, *elect/appoint a board of directors to manage the entire organization*.* Only a small fraction of funding that is currently allocated for the BRAIN

Re: [agi] Restating Colin's Hypothesis

2015-05-14 Thread Alan Grimes
Felipe Carmona Miquilini wrote: Two questions, Two points of view, One problem Why are computers less intelligent than us? Why do we consider computers less intelligent than us? Why are we focusing on creating computers with more functionality instead of focusing on solving the problem of

[agi] Refinement of Hall Effect idea

2015-05-14 Thread Steve Richfield
For those of you who don't already understand the Hall Effect, or its potential computational value in neurons, I will attempt to explain this WITHOUT references to obscure pysics or math you probably don't know. When ANY charged particle travels through a magnetic field, its gets pushed sideways

Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence

2015-05-14 Thread Steve Richfield
Dorian, On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 5:09 PM, Dorian Aur dorian...@gmail.com wrote: Excellent Colin! We shall start with proposals for the board of directors. They will need to make strategic decisions and oversee the entire management of the Institute. It should include , former academic,

Re: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerfulthan Narrow AI

2015-05-14 Thread Colin Hales
Hi Steve and all other longsuffering followers of this thread, Warning... getting a bit ...erm... florid. Let's see. We have brain tissue. Weird stuff, that. Universally recognised as the most complex single chunk of matter in the known universe. And, oh yeah, utterly unique in science now and

RE: [agi] Re: Starting to Define Algorithms that are More Powerful than Narrow AI

2015-05-14 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
Colin Thank you for responding. I understand the personal frustration with the system and with us, but it would not change the selective realities of our future world. The technology for making lives better for hundreds of millions of sick persons in this world has existed for decades. Maybe

Re: [agi] Institute of General Intelligence

2015-05-14 Thread Alan Grimes
colin hales wrote: Dorian,  Lots of possible folk out there that might see the need for such an institute that actually does something other than futurism and existential threat analysis. Need a scope and mission too. One that enrolls all points of view and concerns... Will work on a doc.