[agi] How wrong are these numbers?

2002-12-03 Thread Alan Grimes
The functional unit of the cerebral cortex is the cortical column. A cortical column is roughly .5-.6 mm in diameter. (lets say that 4 can fit in a square mm). The cerebral cortex is around the size of four sheets of regular paper. Lets say the paper is 216x280 = 60,480 square milimeters. The

RE: [agi] How wrong are these numbers?

2002-12-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
Alan The next question is: What's your corresponding estimate of processing power? To emulate the massively parallel information update rate of the brain on N bits of memory, how many commodity PC processors are required per GB of RAM? Ben G Ben Goertzel wrote: A short, interesting

RE: [agi] How wrong are these numbers?

2002-12-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
Kevin, About mind=brain ... My own view of that elusive entity, “mind is well-articulated in terms of the philosophy of Charles S. Peirce, who considered there to be several different levels on which mind could be separately considered. Peirce used three levels, but inspired by Jung and

RE: [agi] How wrong are these numbers?

2002-12-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
Kevin, You raise a critical point, and my thinking on this point is a bit unorthodox, as well as incomplete... There is a big unanswered question close to the heart of my theory of mind, and this is the connection between Firstness and Fourthness. I sum up this question with the Orwell

Re: [agi] How wrong are these numbers?

2002-12-03 Thread Alan Grimes
For instance, in relation to memory capacity. let's say I could live for the age of the universe, roughly 15 billion years. I believe the human mind(without enhancement of any kind) is capable of remembering every detail of every day for that entire lifespan. That is contrary to actual

Re: [agi] How wrong are these numbers?

2002-12-03 Thread maitri
Ben, As always, thanks for the well thought out reply...I am glad you could make some sense of my ramblings... Just a couple thoughts.. In relation to the subtle consciousness, or store consciousness, I believe it interpenetrates all things equally. So to speak of more or less conscious, from

Re: [agi] How wrong are these numbers?

2002-12-03 Thread maitri
For instance, in relation to memory capacity. let's say I could live for the age of the universe, roughly 15 billion years. I believe the human mind(without enhancement of any kind) is capable of remembering every detail of every day for that entire lifespan. That is contrary to

RE: [agi] How wrong are these numbers?

2002-12-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
Kevin wrote: I will go as far to say that any computer system we develop, even one that realizes all the promises of the singularity, can only match the capacity of the human Mind. Why? Because the universe is the Mind itself, and the computational capacity of the universe is rather

RE: [agi] How wrong are these numbers?

2002-12-03 Thread Ben Goertzel
Kevin wrote: I think Ben is closer to anyone in having a true mapping of the brain and its capabilities. As to whether it ultimately develops the emergent qualities we speak of..time will tell...even if it falls short of singularity type hype, i believe it can provide tremendous benefits

Re: [agi] How wrong are these numbers?

2002-12-03 Thread maitri
Boy, I opened a can of worms.. here goes... Kevin wrote: I will go as far to say that any computer system we develop, even one that realizes all the promises of the singularity, can only match the capacity of the human Mind. Why? Because the universe is the Mind itself, and the