Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Mike, My comment is that this is GREAT research and development, but, for the near and probably medium future is very likely to be about perception and action rather than cognition. I.e., we are sort of on the verge of understanding how to hook up new sensors to the brain, and hook the brain up

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Mike Tintner
Bob M:Only after the initial medical phase which could last several decades will brain implants be sufficiently inexpensive Well a big paper here gave a whole page to a new brain helmet for games which they claimed really worked - was effective. Whatever, the prospect of a BCI for games has to

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Bob Mottram
On 14/12/2007, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The future course of AGI is contentious and uncertain (though I have my own strong opinions), but it seems very clear that mobile robotics tech is more advanced than mind-reading-type brain-imaging, and apt to progress far faster...

Re: [agi] AGI and Deity

2007-12-14 Thread Stan Nilsen
Greetings Jirih, A few minutes ago I uploaded my website - http://www.footnotestrongai.com The write up on a praying AI is amongst the Articles, and can be found under Just for Fun. I'll look at the link you've suggested below. Stan Jiri Jelinek wrote: Stan, there are believers on

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Mike wrote: Personally, my guess is that serious mindreading machines will be a reality in the not too distant future - before AGI and seriously autonomous mobile robots. No way. Tell that to the neuroscientists in your local university neuro lab, and they'll get a good laugh ;-) The

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Hi, From Bob Mottram on the AGI list: However, I'm not expecting to see the widespread cyborgisation of human society any time soon. As the article suggests the first generation implants are all devices to fulfill some well defined medical need, and will have to go through all the usual

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread James Ratcliff
A couple good articles Soemthing like the las one might be applied directly to teaching an AGI movement, or how to learn new things. Second Life Brain Interface http://www.pinktentacle.com/2007/10/brain-computer-interface-for-second-life/ Paralyzed Main BCI

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Mike Dougherty
On Dec 14, 2007 8:33 AM, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, if a certain nation were to make laws allowing this, and to encourage research into this, then potentially they could gain a dramatic advantage over other nations... There does therefore seem a possibility for a brain

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Bear in mind that science has used very little imagination here to date. Science only started studying consciousness ten years ago. It still hasn't started studying Thought - the actual contents of consciousness: the streams of thought inside people's heads. In both cases, the reason has been

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Mike: Making the general public smarter is not in the best interest of government, who wants to keep us fat dumb and (relatively) happy (read: distracted). If we're not making people smarter with currently available resources, why would we invest in research to discover expensive new

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Mike Tintner
Ben: What is the empirical grounds for your optimism? Not much other than the fact that they have started to do it. And if you can signal one command to a machine, then, it strikes me, there should in the end be no limit to the commands that can be signalled. Perhaps we should distinguish

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Mike Tintner
Ben:What do you think the mushrooming of Cognitive Science during the last decade has been? Science does recognize thought as a critical area of study. It's just a difficult thing to study. That's what they said about consciousness. Consciousness became a serious area of study largely because

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Mike Dougherty
On Dec 14, 2007 10:07 AM, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If we're not making people smarter with currently available resources, why would we invest in research to discover expensive new technologies to make people smarter? We need that money to invest in research for expensive

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Is China pushing its people into being smarter? Are they giving incentives beyond the US-style capitalist reasons for being smart? The incentive is that if you get smart enough, you may figure out a way to get out of China ;-) Thus, they let the top .01% out, so as to keep the rest of the

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Bryan Bishop
On Friday 14 December 2007, Benjamin Goertzel wrote: But, we're still quite clueless about how to, say, hook the brain up to a calculator or to Google in a useful way... due to having a vastly insufficiently detailed knowledge of how the brain carries out cognitive operations... While overall

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Bryan Bishop
On Friday 14 December 2007, Mike Dougherty wrote: Are there any efforts at using Nootropic drugs in a 'brain enhancement race' ?  I haven't heard about it, but then I wouldn't because the program would be kept secret. There might be one behind the scenes. *cough* - Bryan - This list is

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Robin Gane-McCalla
Is that sarcasm or an official Communist Party platform? On Dec 14, 2007 3:48 PM, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is China pushing its people into being smarter? Are they giving incentives beyond the US-style capitalist reasons for being smart? The incentive is that if you

Re: [agi] BMI/BCI Growing Fast

2007-12-14 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
That is sarcasm ... however, it's also my serious hypothesis as to why the Chinese gov't doesn't mind losing their best brightest... -- Ben On Dec 14, 2007 7:35 PM, Robin Gane-McCalla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is that sarcasm or an official Communist Party platform? On Dec 14, 2007 3:48 PM,