RE: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark

2008-12-27 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- On Sat, 12/27/08, John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.com wrote: How does consciousness fit into your compression intelligence modeling? It doesn't. Why is consciousness important? I was just prodding you on this. Many people on this list talk about the requirements of

RE: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark

2008-12-27 Thread John G. Rose
From: Matt Mahoney [mailto:matmaho...@yahoo.com] --- On Sat, 12/27/08, John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.com wrote: How does consciousness fit into your compression intelligence modeling? It doesn't. Why is consciousness important? I was just prodding you on this. Many

Re: Real-world vs. universal prior (was Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark)

2008-12-27 Thread David Hart
On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: I wrote down my thoughts on this in a little more detail here (with some pastings from these emails plus some new info): http://multiverseaccordingtoben.blogspot.com/2008/12/subtle-structure-of-physical-world.html I

Re: Real-world vs. universal prior (was Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark)

2008-12-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
David, Good point... I'll revise the essay to account for it... The truth is, we just don't know -- but in taking the virtual world approach to AGI, we're very much **hoping** that a subset of human everyday physical reality is good enough. .. ben On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 6:46 AM, David Hart

Re: Real-world vs. universal prior (was Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark)

2008-12-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
Dave -- See mildly revised version, where I replaced real world with everyday world (and defined the latter term explicitly), and added a final section relevant to the distinctions between the everyday world, simulated everyday worlds, and other portions of the physical world.

Re: Real-world vs. universal prior (was Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark)

2008-12-27 Thread Mike Tintner
Ben: in taking the virtual world approach to AGI, we're very much **hoping** that a subset of human everyday physical reality is good enough. .. Ben, Which subset(s)? The idea that you can virtually recreate any part or processes of reality seems horribly flawed - and unexamined. Take the

Re: Real-world vs. universal prior (was Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark)

2008-12-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
The question is how much detail about the world needs to be captured in a simulation in order to support humanlike cognitive development. As a single example, Piagetan conservation of volume experiments are often done with water, which would suggest you need to have fluid dynamics in your

RE: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark

2008-12-27 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- On Sat, 12/27/08, John G. Rose johnr...@polyplexic.com wrote: Well I think consciousness must be some sort of out of band intelligence that bolsters an entity in terms of survival. Intelligence probably stratifies or optimizes in zonal regions of similar environmental complexity,

Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark

2008-12-27 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Dec 26, 2008, at 6:18 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote: Most compression tests are like defining intelligence as the ability to catch mice. They measure the ability of compressors to compress specific files. This tends to lead to hacks that are tuned to the benchmarks. For the generic

Re: [agi] Introducing Steve's Theory of Everything in cognition.

2008-12-27 Thread Abram Demski
Russel, There is a somewhat brief section in this article: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/goedel/#SpeUpThe The section gives 2 forms of the theorem, the 2nd of which is the more interesting (theorem 6). I came across this subject in the book logic, logic, and logic by Boolos. Boolos

Re: [agi] Introducing Steve's Theory of Everything in cognition.

2008-12-27 Thread Abram Demski
Steve, My thinking in the significant figures issue is that the purpose of unsupervised learning is to find a probabilistic model of the data (whereas the purpose of supervised learning is to find a probabilistic model of *one* variable *conditioned on* all the others). When you talk about the

Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark

2008-12-27 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Dec 26, 2008, at 7:24 PM, Philip Hunt wrote: 2008/12/27 J. Andrew Rogers and...@ceruleansystems.com: I think many people greatly underestimate how many gaping algorithm holes there are in computer science for even the most important and mundane tasks. The algorithm coverage of

Re: Real-world vs. universal prior (was Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark)

2008-12-27 Thread David Hart
'On Sun, Dec 28, 2008 at 1:02 AM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: See mildly revised version, where I replaced real world with everyday world (and defined the latter term explicitly), and added a final section relevant to the distinctions between the everyday world, simulated everyday

Re: [agi] Universal intelligence test benchmark

2008-12-27 Thread Matt Mahoney
--- On Sat, 12/27/08, J. Andrew Rogers and...@ceruleansystems.com wrote: An interesting question is which pattern subset if ignored would make the problem tractable. We don't want to make the problem tractable. We want to discover new, efficient general purpose learning algorithms. AIXI^tl is

Re: [agi] Indexing

2008-12-27 Thread J. Andrew Rogers
On Dec 26, 2008, at 7:40 PM, Jim Bromer wrote: I noticed that neither linked lists nor arrays were particularly efficient for general operations that would include insertions, deletions and searches, which, when you think about it, are pretty much the norm. How often do you need a large data