Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

2010-07-07 Thread Gabriel Recchia
In short, instead of a pot of neurons, we might instead have a pot of dozens of types of neurons that each have their own complex rules regarding what other types of neurons they can connect to, and how they process information... ...there is plenty of evidence (from the slowness of

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

2010-07-07 Thread Ian Parker
There is very little. Someone do research. Here is a paper on language fitness. http://kybele.psych.cornell.edu/~edelman/elcfinal.pdf http://kybele.psych.cornell.edu/~edelman/elcfinal.pdfLSA is *not* discussed nor is any fitness concept with the language itself. Similar sounding (or written)

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

2010-07-07 Thread Matt Mahoney
] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection? In short, instead of a pot of neurons, we might instead have a pot of dozens of types of neurons that each have their own complex rules regarding what other types of neurons they can connect to, and how they process information... ...there is plenty

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

2010-06-29 Thread rob levy
On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Steve Richfield steve.richfi...@gmail.comwrote: Rob, I just LOVE opaque postings, because they identify people who see things differently than I do. I'm not sure what you are saying here, so I'll make some random responses to exhibit my ignorance and elicit

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

2010-06-29 Thread rob levy
Sorry, the link I included was invalid, this is what I meant: http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~raubal/Publications/RefConferences/ICSC_2009_AdamsRaubal_Camera-FINAL.pdf On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:28 AM, rob levy r.p.l...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Steve Richfield

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

2010-06-29 Thread Ian Parker
The paper seems very similar in principle to LSA. What you need for a concept vector (or position) is the application of LSA followed by K-Means which will give you your concept clusters. I would not knock Hutter too much. After all LSA reduces {primavera, mamanthal, salsa, resorte} to one word

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

2010-06-28 Thread rob levy
In order to have perceptual/conceptual similarity, it might make sense that there is distance metric over conceptual spaces mapping (ala Gardenfors or something like this theory) underlying how the experience of reasoning through is carried out. This has the advantage of being motivated by

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

2010-06-28 Thread Steve Richfield
Rob, I just LOVE opaque postings, because they identify people who see things differently than I do. I'm not sure what you are saying here, so I'll make some random responses to exhibit my ignorance and elicit more explanation. On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:53 AM, rob levy r.p.l...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

2010-06-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
Hi Steve, A few comments... 1) Nobody is trying to implement Hutter's AIXI design, it's a mathematical design intended as a proof of principle 2) Within Hutter's framework, one calculates the shortest program that explains the data, where shortest is measured on Turing machine M. Given a

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

2010-06-27 Thread Steve Richfield
Ben, What I saw as my central thesis is that propagating carefully conceived dimensionality information along with classical information could greatly improve the cognitive process, by FORCING reasonable physics WITHOUT having to understand (by present concepts of what understanding means)

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

2010-06-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
Steve, I know what dimensional analysis is, but it would be great if you could give an example of how it's useful for everyday commonsense reasoning such as, say, a service robot might need to do to figure out how to clean a house... thx ben On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Steve Richfield

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

2010-06-27 Thread Steve Richfield
Ben, On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: know what dimensional analysis is, but it would be great if you could give an example of how it's useful for everyday commonsense reasoning such as, say, a service robot might need to do to figure out how to clean a

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

2010-06-27 Thread Ben Goertzel
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Steve Richfield steve.richfi...@gmail.comwrote: Ben, On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: know what dimensional analysis is, but it would be great if you could give an example of how it's useful for everyday commonsense