RE: Re[6]: [agi] Funding AGI research

2007-11-28 Thread Ed Porter
Dennis Gorelik wrote on November 27, 2007 9:38 PM Sorry, but building AGI is less complex than building software that is able to build AGI. At the current stages this may be true, but it should be remembered that building a human-level AGI would be creating a machine that would itself, with the

RE: Re[6]: [agi] Funding AGI research

2007-11-27 Thread John G. Rose
From: Dennis Gorelik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] John, I kind of like the idea of building software that then builds AGI. Sorry, but building AGI is less complex than building software that is able to build AGI. It totally depends on the design. When you write your narrow AI app you use

Re: Re[6]: [agi] Funding AGI research

2007-11-25 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Linas: I find it telling that no one is saying I've got the code, I just need to scale it up 1000-fold to make it impressive ... Yes, that's an accurate comment. Novamente will hopefully reach that point in a few years. For now, we will need (and use) a lotta machines for commercial product

RE: Re[6]: [agi] Funding AGI research

2007-11-25 Thread Edward Porter
A few days ago there was some discussion on this list about the potential usefulness of narrow AI to AGI. Nick Cassimatis, who is speaking at AGI 2008, has something he calls Polyscheme which is described partially at the following AGIRI link: http://www.agiri.org/workshop/Cassimatis.ppt

Re: Re[6]: [agi] Funding AGI research

2007-11-25 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
Cassimatis's system is an interesting research system ... it doesn't yet have lotsa demonstrated practical functionality, if that's what you mean by work... He wants to take a bunch of disparately-functioning agents, and hook them together into a common framework using a common logical

Re: Re[6]: [agi] Funding AGI research

2007-11-24 Thread Linas Vepstas
On 20/11/2007, Benjamin Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How much funding is massive varies from domain to domain. E.g. it's hard to do anything in nanotech without really expensive machinery. For AGI, $10M is a lot of money, because the main cost is staff salaries, plus commodity

Re: Re[6]: [agi] Funding AGI research

2007-11-20 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
No. My point is that massive funding without having a prototype prior to funding is worthless most of the times. If prototype cannot be created at reasonably low cost then fully working product most likely cannot be created even with massive funding. Well, this seems to dissolve into a

Re: Re[6]: [agi] Funding AGI research

2007-11-20 Thread Benjamin Goertzel
On Nov 20, 2007 11:22 PM, Dennis Gorelik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jiri, AGI is IMO possible now but requires very different approach than narrow AI. AGI requires properly tune some existing narrow AI technologies, combine them together and may be add couple of more. That's massive

Re: Re[6]: [agi] Funding AGI research

2007-11-20 Thread Jiri Jelinek
Dennis, Could you give an example of such problem? For example figuring out country's foreign policies to protect the best interest of the nation (considering short long term consequences). Sorry for not responding to some of the stuff you wrote recently. I'm deep in coding mood in these days