Re: [agi] Unsupervised grammar mining from text [was GSoC: Learning Simple Grammars]

2008-04-06 Thread Hector Zenil
I might be wrong but after reading some of the ADIOS papers I cannot tell the difference between their approach and the common Bayesian practice of looking at n-grams frequencies in computational linguistics, often used (for instance by Google) for spell/grammar checking, word/sentence

Re: [agi] the uncomputable

2008-06-17 Thread Hector Zenil
People interested on this thread subject might be interested to read a paper we wrote some years ago published by World Scientific: --- Hector Zenil, Francisco Hernandez-Quiroz, On the possible Computational Power of the Human Mind, WORLDVIEWS, SCIENCE AND US, edited by Carlos Gershenson

Re: [agi] the uncomputable

2008-06-17 Thread Hector Zenil
On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 5:58 PM, Abram Demski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hector Zenil, I do not think I understand you. Your argument seems similar to the following: I do not see why Turing machines are necessary. If we can compute a function f(x) by some Turing machine, then we could

Re: [agi] the uncomputable

2008-06-18 Thread Hector Zenil
On Mon, Jun 16, 2008 at 5:34 PM, Abram Demski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I previously posted here claiming that the human mind (and therefore an ideal AGI) entertains uncomputable models, counter to the AIXI/Solomonoff model. There was little enthusiasm about this idea. :) Anyway, I hope I'm not

Re: [agi] the uncomputable

2008-07-02 Thread Hector Zenil
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Re: [agi] the uncomputable

2008-07-02 Thread Hector Zenil
On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Abram Demski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hector Zenil said: and that is one of the many issues of hypercomputation: each time one comes up with a standard model of hypercomputation there is always another not equivalent model of hypercomputation that computes

Re: [agi] the uncomputable

2008-07-02 Thread Hector Zenil
at 1:42 PM, Hector Zenil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 1:30 PM, Abram Demski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hector Zenil said: and that is one of the many issues of hypercomputation: each time one comes up with a standard model of hypercomputation there is always another

Re: [agi] the uncomputable

2008-07-07 Thread Hector Zenil
On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Linas Vepstas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/2 Hector Zenil [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hypercomputational models basically pretend to take advantage from either infinite time or infinite space (including models such as infinite resources, Zeno machines or the Omega

Re: [agi] Conway's Game of Life

2008-08-02 Thread Hector Zenil
can. As far as I can remember, Stephen Wolfram himself asked John Conway how he came up with the Game of Life, unfortunately John Conway seemed to say that he was not certain anymore. Hector Zenil On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 10:21 PM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, there may have been

Re: [agi] Conway's Game of Life

2008-08-02 Thread Hector Zenil
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Re: [agi] Conway's Game of Life

2008-08-02 Thread Hector Zenil
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Re: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-11-30 Thread Hector Zenil
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Re: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-11-30 Thread Hector Zenil
put in jeopardy by physical reality. So I don't find this argument very convincing... On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Hector Zenil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:09 AM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But quantum theory does appear to be directly related to limits

Re: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-11-30 Thread Hector Zenil
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:53 AM, Hector Zenil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:44 AM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OTOH, there is no possible real-world test to distinguish a true random sequence from a high-algorithmic-information quasi-random sequence I know

Re: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-11-30 Thread Hector Zenil
functions than Turing machines. There is a mathematical proof that the standard model of quantum computation computes the same set of functions than Turing machines. ben g On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:53 PM, Hector Zenil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:44 AM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL

Re: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-11-30 Thread Hector Zenil
computation as Turing computable has been put in jeopardy by physical reality. So I don't find this argument very convincing... On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 10:42 PM, Hector Zenil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:09 AM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But quantum theory does

Re: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-11-30 Thread Hector Zenil
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 6:20 AM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Nov 30, 2008 at 11:48 PM, Hector Zenil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 4:55 AM, Ben Goertzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But I don't get your point at all, because the whole idea of nondeterministic

Re: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-12-02 Thread Hector Zenil
universe, without requiring for its representation more than an infinitesimal fraction of anything that could be accurately called infinite. Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Hector Zenil [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:42 PM To: agi@v2.listbox.com

Re: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-12-02 Thread Hector Zenil
if not in communicating the answer, so how does such a system not¸ as you said require to communicate, encode or decode any infinite value in order to compute a non-computable function even if only internally? Ed Porter -Original Message- From: Hector Zenil [mailto:[EMAIL

Re: RE: FW: [agi] A paper that actually does solve the problem of consciousness

2008-12-02 Thread Hector Zenil
hypercomputing, lies outside the realm of science. However, I don't fall for the argument that X and Y must be equal just because they're both outside the realm of science... -- Ben G On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Hector Zenil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Suppose that the gravitational constant

Re: [agi] references on hypercomputation?

2008-12-16 Thread Hector Zenil
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Re: [agi] references on hypercomputation?

2008-12-16 Thread Hector Zenil
? thx ben On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Hector Zenil hzen...@gmail.com wrote: If useful, my paper on http://arxiv.org/abs/cs.NE/0605065 has an exhaustive bibliography up to 2005. On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:03 PM, Ben Goertzel b...@goertzel.org wrote: I'm considering writing a paper

Re: [agi] Should I get a PhD?

2008-12-17 Thread Hector Zenil
of Research, SIAI b...@goertzel.org I intend to live forever, or die trying. -- Groucho Marx agi | Archives | Modify Your Subscription -- Hector Zenilhttp://www.mathrix.org --- agi