Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

to S. Thus, the network is trained online in a single pass, unlike factoring, which is offline. -- Matt Mahoney, matmaho...@yahoo.com From: Gabriel Recchia To: agi Sent: Wed, July 7, 2010 12:12:00 PM Subject: Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

There is very little. Someone do research. Here is a paper on language fitness. http://kybele.psych.cornell.edu/~edelman/elcfinal.pdf LSA is *not* discussed nor is any fitness concept with the language itself. Similar sounding (or written) wo

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

> In short, instead of a "pot of neurons", we might instead have a pot of dozens of types of > neurons that each have their own complex rules regarding what other types of neurons they > can connect to, and how they process information... > ...there is plenty of evidence (from the slowness of evol

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

The paper seems very similar in principle to LSA. What you need for a concept vector (or position) is the application of LSA followed by K-Means which will give you your concept clusters. I would not knock Hutter too much. After all LSA reduces {primavera, mamanthal, salsa, resorte} to one word g

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

Rob, On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 11:28 PM, rob levy wrote: though I wonder what it actually would be in terms of neurons, (and if that >>> matters). >>> >> >> I don't see any route to the answer except via neurons. >> > > I agree this is true of natural intelligence, though maybe in modeling, the >

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

Sorry, the link I included was invalid, this is what I meant: http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~raubal/Publications/RefConferences/ICSC_2009_AdamsRaubal_Camera-FINAL.pdf On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 2:28 AM, rob levy wrote: > On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Steve Richfield < > steve.richfi...@gmail.com> wr

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 5:23 PM, Steve Richfield wrote: > Rob, > > I just LOVE opaque postings, because they identify people who see things > differently than I do. I'm not sure what you are saying here, so I'll make > some "random" responses to exhibit my ignorance and elicit more explanation. >

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

Rob, I just LOVE opaque postings, because they identify people who see things differently than I do. I'm not sure what you are saying here, so I'll make some "random" responses to exhibit my ignorance and elicit more explanation. On Mon, Jun 28, 2010 at 9:53 AM, rob levy wrote: > In order to ha

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

In order to have perceptual/conceptual similarity, it might make sense that there is distance metric over conceptual spaces mapping (ala Gardenfors or something like this theory) underlying how the experience of reasoning through is carried out. This has the advantage of being motivated by neuros

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Steve Richfield wrote: > Ben, > > On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote: > >> know what dimensional analysis is, but it would be great if you could >> give an example of how it's useful for everyday commonsense reasoning such >> as, say, a service r

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

Ben, On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Ben Goertzel wrote: > know what dimensional analysis is, but it would be great if you could give > an example of how it's useful for everyday commonsense reasoning such as, > say, a service robot might need to do to figure out how to clean a house... > How

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

Steve, I know what dimensional analysis is, but it would be great if you could give an example of how it's useful for everyday commonsense reasoning such as, say, a service robot might need to do to figure out how to clean a house... thx ben On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Steve Richfield wrote

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

Ben, What I saw as my central thesis is that propagating carefully conceived dimensionality information along with classical "information" could greatly improve the cognitive process, by FORCING reasonable physics WITHOUT having to "understand" (by present concepts of what "understanding" means) p

Re: [agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

Hi Steve, A few comments... 1) Nobody is trying to implement Hutter's AIXI design, it's a mathematical design intended as a "proof of principle" 2) Within Hutter's framework, one calculates the shortest program that explains the data, where "shortest" is measured on Turing machine M. Given a

[agi] Hutter - A fundamental misdirection?

Ben, et al, *I think I may finally grok the fundamental misdirection that current AGI thinking has taken! *This is a bit subtle, and hence subject to misunderstanding. Therefore I will first attempt to explain what I see, WITHOUT so much trying to convince you (or anyone) that it is necessarily c