I hope to help evolve the dialog here as I feel that issues that Ben and I
share interests in can be vetted within this discussion. I must acknowledge
that I do not read interspersed text as a rule simply because it is so hard
to take the time to figure out the two sides and the intended meaning (
to bcc list
If you wish to join this discussion, you are invited to join the AGI
list by going to the bottom of the page www.realai.net and entering his
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Perhaps a discussion between the knowledge scientists will occur here, over
the next few wee
Just to clarify:
Ben said:
"However, I'll say now that neurons are basically nodes and synapses are
basically links, so it's clear that a node-link data structure in itself
isn't way off..."
The point that Pribram and other similar minded cognitive neuroscientists
make is that the neuron is NOT
I know, but this is a long story. grin.
I wish it where easier to tell this story.
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Ben,
The definitions of
intelligence might be derived from the notions of life given by Maturana and
Varela. Autopoietic is the term used there.
But it is the
"social" requirement that a definition be given that is problematic here, as you
know from similar discussions on this issue. T
Peter Kugler.. was a student of Rosen's and much of his work is
unpublished. But he has about 100 articales...
two of which are
Kugler , P.N. & Turvey, M.T. (1987.) Information, natural law, and the
self-assembly of rhythmic movements. Hillsdale, NJ: LEA.
Kugler, P.N., Shaw, R.E., Vincente
Ben,
Of
course I understood the mistype and made the correction
mentally.
I look
forward to doing some work together in the near future.
***
Oh the
part of about a computer running a program not being an abstraction... this is
where one can drill down into the nature of things to
Paul Werbos is
right about not getting bogged down in this issue of a "definition of
intelligence". The point is that as Ben and I move forward in this
implicit machine ontology (as in Latent Semantic Indexing or attractor neural
networks) to explicit (and structured) machine ontology proje
Ben,
I
understand that this is what you think that you think... but I feel that it is
wrong.
First,
there is no "right" to attribute to a software program "mental awareness".
It is simply an error. The error is not insignificant. It is
critical and making this error over and over a
