Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Re: [Treasuror] [Victory Auction] First Victory Auction of July 2021

[Jason Cobb via agora-business]

On 7/12/21 5:36 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote:
> On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 15:15 -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
>> On 7/2/21 8:14 PM, Rebecca Lee via agora-business wrote:
>>> I bid 105
>> I bid 150 coins in the ongoing Victory Auction.
>>
> I bid 628 coins in the ongoing Victory Auction.
>

I bid 629 coins.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

BUS: Re: OFF: [Press] Payroll [@Treasuror]

[Telna via agora-business]

On 2021-07-13 05:01, Falsifian via agora-official wrote:

Coins Owed balances are as follows:

lucidiot:  95
Telna: 95


I Redeem 95 Coins Owed (resulting in the transfer of 95 coins from the 
Agora Press contract to myself).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Re: [Treasuror] [Victory Auction] First Victory Auction of July 2021

[Rebecca Lee via agora-business]

I bid 500

On Tue, Jul 13, 2021, 10:00 AM Kerim Aydin via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

>
>
> On 7/12/2021 3:51 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:
> >
> >
> >> On Jul 12, 2021, at 12:59 PM, Trigon via agora-discussion <
> agora-discuss...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I exhort you, if you are even kind of interested in the victory
> subgame, please bid. You will likely never see this low of a going price
> and this little competition (Falsifian, ATMunn, and I cannot rejoin the
> auction since withdrawing is permanent).
> >>
> >> If you're not into the subgame itself, Falsifian has a deal out to pay
> 1000 coins for one victory card (there are a few layers of indirection, but
> I'm sure Falsifian would be willing to explain to you how to redeem them).
> >
> > Sure, why not.
> >
> > I bid 200 coins in this auction everybody's talking about.
> >
> > Gaelan
> >
>
> Sure why not.  I bid 220 coins.  -G.
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Re: [Treasuror] [Victory Auction] First Victory Auction of July 2021

[Kerim Aydin via agora-business]

On 7/12/2021 3:51 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jul 12, 2021, at 12:59 PM, Trigon via agora-discussion 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> I exhort you, if you are even kind of interested in the victory subgame, 
>> please bid. You will likely never see this low of a going price and this 
>> little competition (Falsifian, ATMunn, and I cannot rejoin the auction since 
>> withdrawing is permanent).
>>
>> If you're not into the subgame itself, Falsifian has a deal out to pay 1000 
>> coins for one victory card (there are a few layers of indirection, but I'm 
>> sure Falsifian would be willing to explain to you how to redeem them).
> 
> Sure, why not.
> 
> I bid 200 coins in this auction everybody's talking about.
> 
> Gaelan
> 

Sure why not.  I bid 220 coins.  -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Re: [Treasuror] [Victory Auction] First Victory Auction of July 2021

[Gaelan Steele via agora-business]

> On Jul 12, 2021, at 12:59 PM, Trigon via agora-discussion 
>  wrote:
> 
> I exhort you, if you are even kind of interested in the victory subgame, 
> please bid. You will likely never see this low of a going price and this 
> little competition (Falsifian, ATMunn, and I cannot rejoin the auction since 
> withdrawing is permanent).
> 
> If you're not into the subgame itself, Falsifian has a deal out to pay 1000 
> coins for one victory card (there are a few layers of indirection, but I'm 
> sure Falsifian would be willing to explain to you how to redeem them).

Sure, why not.

I bid 200 coins in this auction everybody's talking about.

Gaelan

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Obstructive Pooling] Clarity in Accounting

[ATMunn via agora-business]

On 7/12/2021 17:01, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:

On 7/12/21 4:59 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote:

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 04:28:51PM -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:

I propose the following amendment to Obstructive Pooling:

{

After the paragraph containing "The Accountant is the recordkeepor for
the Trust and for Decipoints.", insert the following paragraph: "When
publishing a report on Decipoints, the Accountant SHALL include the
unencumbered point total, defined as the number of victory points the
Trustee possesses, minus one tenth of the number of Decipoints not owned
by the Trustee."

}


I consent to this amendment.

--
Jason Cobb

Two comments:

- The unencumbered point total should probably include the point
   equivalent in the Trustee's Victory Cards, as well as Victory
   Products owned by the contract, since the Trustee has ready access to
   both.

- Since the Accountant is a voluntary role, I suggest SHOULD rather
   than SHALL. A lazy report is better than nothing.



Both good points. I withdraw consent for this amendment.



As do I.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Re: [Treasuror] [Victory Auction] First Victory Auction of July 2021

[ais523 via agora-business]

On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 15:15 -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
> On 7/2/21 8:14 PM, Rebecca Lee via agora-business wrote:
> > I bid 105
> 
> I bid 150 coins in the ongoing Victory Auction.
> 

I bid 628 coins in the ongoing Victory Auction.

-- 
ais523

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Obstructive Pooling] Clarity in Accounting

[Jason Cobb via agora-business]

On 7/12/21 4:59 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 04:28:51PM -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
>> I propose the following amendment to Obstructive Pooling:
>>
>> {
>>
>> After the paragraph containing "The Accountant is the recordkeepor for
>> the Trust and for Decipoints.", insert the following paragraph: "When
>> publishing a report on Decipoints, the Accountant SHALL include the
>> unencumbered point total, defined as the number of victory points the
>> Trustee possesses, minus one tenth of the number of Decipoints not owned
>> by the Trustee."
>>
>> }
>>
>>
>> I consent to this amendment.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jason Cobb
> Two comments:
>
> - The unencumbered point total should probably include the point
>   equivalent in the Trustee's Victory Cards, as well as Victory
>   Products owned by the contract, since the Trustee has ready access to
>   both.
>
> - Since the Accountant is a voluntary role, I suggest SHOULD rather
>   than SHALL. A lazy report is better than nothing.
>

Both good points. I withdraw consent for this amendment.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Obstructive Pooling] Trustee Win Delay

[Jason Cobb via agora-business]

On 7/12/21 4:56 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 04:32:27PM -0400, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
>> I propose the following amendment to Obstructive Pooling:
>>
>> {
>>
>> Append the following to the paragraph that begins "The Trust is a unique
>> asset" in the section "Holding": "Any player who is the Trustee or was
>> within the past 48 hours is Actively Trusted".
>>
>> Replace "The Trustee SHALL NOT Take Over the Economy." with "Actively
>> Trusted players SHALL NOT Take Over the Economy."
>>
>> Replace "Any player other than the Trustee (defined below) CAN leave
>> this contract by announcement." with "Any party who is not Actively
>> Trusted (defined below) CAN leave this contract by announcement."
>>
>> }
>>
>>
>> I consent to this amendment.
>>
>> -- 
>> Jason Cobb
> In theory, this could be used to lock a player in to the contract, if
> all other parties conspire together: just keep transferring the Trust
> to em.
>
> If the purpose to give everyone else a chance to solicit new members to
> block the victory, how about requiring a notice period before the
> Trustee transfers it to someone else? E.g. replace "The Trustee CAN
> transfer..." with "If the Trustee has between 4 and 14 days ago
> published a conspicuous ... then e CAN transfer ..."? (Or maybe it's
> enough to say "with notice".)
>

Good point, and that solution seems fine. I withdraw consent for this
amendment.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

BUS: [Obstructive Pooling] Trustee Win Delay

[Jason Cobb via agora-business]

I propose the following amendment to Obstructive Pooling:

{

Append the following to the paragraph that begins "The Trust is a unique
asset" in the section "Holding": "Any player who is the Trustee or was
within the past 48 hours is Actively Trusted".

Replace "The Trustee SHALL NOT Take Over the Economy." with "Actively
Trusted players SHALL NOT Take Over the Economy."

Replace "Any player other than the Trustee (defined below) CAN leave
this contract by announcement." with "Any party who is not Actively
Trusted (defined below) CAN leave this contract by announcement."

}


I consent to this amendment.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: BUS: [Obstructive Pooling] Clarity in Accounting

[ATMunn via agora-business]

On 7/12/2021 16:28, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:

I propose the following amendment to Obstructive Pooling:

{

After the paragraph containing "The Accountant is the recordkeepor for
the Trust and for Decipoints.", insert the following paragraph: "When
publishing a report on Decipoints, the Accountant SHALL include the
unencumbered point total, defined as the number of victory points the
Trustee possesses, minus one tenth of the number of Decipoints not owned
by the Trustee."

}


I consent to this amendment.



I consent to this amendment.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

BUS: [Obstructive Pooling] Clarity in Accounting

[Jason Cobb via agora-business]

I propose the following amendment to Obstructive Pooling:

{

After the paragraph containing "The Accountant is the recordkeepor for
the Trust and for Decipoints.", insert the following paragraph: "When
publishing a report on Decipoints, the Accountant SHALL include the
unencumbered point total, defined as the number of victory points the
Trustee possesses, minus one tenth of the number of Decipoints not owned
by the Trustee."

}


I consent to this amendment.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Election updates

[Falsifian via agora-business]

> I vote [Gaelan, ATMunn]. Neither seems super-interested in the role,
> but Gaelan's speech seemed slightly less uninterested and e isn't
> holding any other office right now.

I accidentally sent that discussion.

I vote [Gaelan, ATMunn] in the ongoing Registrar election.

-- 
Falsifian

BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Administrative Regulations Amendments

[Falsifian via agora-business]

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 02:46:32PM +1000, Rebecca Lee via agora-official wrote:
> I intend with 1.5 Agoran Consent to repeal Regulation RA0/0, "Limitations
> to Powers of Interim Referees". It refers to a mechanism (Summary Judgment)
> that no longer exists in the same form, and the Holiday thing is silly, why
> would an interim Referee be any different to a permanent one in that
> respect. I'm no longer interim so Ive no personal interest here.

I support.

> I intend w/ 1.5 Agoran Consent to retitle Regulation RA1/0 to "Tardiness".

I abstain for now.

> I intend w/ 1.5 Agoran Consent to amend the Regulation to state "The
> Referee SHALL NOT impose a fine above one blot for Tardiness unless the
> Tardiness is for an obligation which has been missed for more than 14 days,
> or unless the Tardiness is intentional".

I object, only because I think this action is ambiguous --- could be
appending the text (so it "also states" it) or replacing the text.

> I intend w/ 1.5 Agoran Consent to repeal Regulation RA3/0 (not needed)

I support. (It's courteous to send a reminder, but that doesn't mean we
need a regulation. In any case, it's not important enough to keep
around against the current Referee's wishes.)

> -- 
> From R. Lee

-- 
Falsifian

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 434

[Trigon via agora-business]

On 11/07/2021 20:43, Trigon wrote:

On 05/07/2021 00:16, Rebecca Lee via agora-business wrote:

On Mon, Jul 5, 2021 at 9:10 AM Trigon via agora-official <
agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> wrote:



  FORBES FOUR HUNDRED THIRTY-FOUR
   or   
 TREASUROR'S WEEKLY REPORT


Reports available online at: 

DATES OF PUBLICATION  (contains no data)


(all times and dates in UTC)

Date of previous original report: 27 June 2021
Date of first report this week:   4 July 2021


NOTES ON REPORT   (contains no data)


* Find my report drafts on Discord or IRC.
* As always, please check the general accuracy of this report.


BUOYANCY (self-ratifies)


Buoyancy Target:   47101
Total Buoyancy:    47101
Unit of Flotation: 19


ASSET BALANCES   (self-ratifies)


 Player(+a)  cn wc    jc    lc    vc    wp    bg    pd    xv
   ==  ==                

   R. Lee 635 1 0 0 0 0 0 
3 0




COE: I have 2 pendants not 3 (I already used one to pend a proposal,
although I just said 'i pend it' so I can see why you missed it)



I deny this CoE. As we discovered soon after this message was sent, R. 
Lee's pending failed.




I deny this CoE for the same reasons stated above.

--
Trigon

 ¸¸.•*¨*• Play AGORA QUEST

I’m always happy to become a party to contracts.
I LOVE SPAGHETTI
transfer Jason one coin
nch was here
I hereby
don't... trust... the dragon...
don't... trust... the dragon...
Do not Construe Jason's message with subject TRIGON as extending this

BUS: Re: OFF: [Splat Market] Order Book

[Falsifian via agora-business]

On Sun, May 16, 2021 at 04:07:00PM -0700, Gaelan Steele via agora-official 
wrote:
> The following orders (as defined by the Splat Market contract) exist: 
> 
> Victory Cards:
> 1x buy @ 20 coins (nix) *
> 
> Decipoints (Obstructive Pooling):
> 25x buy @ 2 coins (nix) *
> 
> Starred orders are active. (Technically, the most recent of the
> orders represented by the starred line is active.)

In the Splat Market contract, I create 25 buy orders for Obstructive
Pooling Decipoints at 40 Coins each.

-- 
Falsifian

Re: BUS: @Arbitor Blots CFJ

[Falsifian via agora-business]

On Mon, Jul 12, 2021 at 03:12:18PM +1000, Rebecca Lee via agora-business wrote:
> I call a CFJ: Each player may claim a justice card this Agoran week.
> 
> Rule 2478 states in relevant part "The player who initiated the most Finger
> Pointings that resulted
> 
>   in a Warning, Indictment, or Cold Hand of Justice in the previous
>   Agoran Week CAN once grant emself a Justice Card by announcement."
> 
> The rule provides nothing about ties. Last Agoran week, everybody was
> tied in having pointed 0 such fingers. Does that mean everyone gets
> one, or that only a singular 'player'  can get one?
> 
> 
> -- 
> From R. Lee

I don't think it works, but just in case:

I grant myself a Justice Card.

Gratuitous argument:

{

I suspect this is either DISMISS or PARADOXICAL.

Wiktionary's first definition for "the" is:

Definite grammatical article that implies necessarily that an
entity it articulates is presupposed; something already mentioned,
or completely specified later in that same sentence, or assumed
already completely specified.

Under this definition, the rule text includes an assertion that exactly
one player initiated the most such Finger Pointings. The rule says that
that person CAN grant emself a Justice Card.

With this contradiction, I can arrive at both FALSE and TRUE.

FALSE: I didn't point any fingers, so I'm certainly not the unique
player who pointed the most, therefore someone else must have pointed
more. So I can't claim one.

TRUE: Nobody else pointed any fingers, so nobody else could be the
unique player who pointed the most, so it must be me --- I can claim
one. Repeat this argument for every other player.

If this reasoning is to be allowed, then PARADOXICAL is appropriate.

However, the reasoning may be disallowed by R217, which allows only
"direct, forward reasoning". In this case, I suspect there is no
allowed reasoning that can arrive at FALSE or TRUE. If I'm right about
that, DISMISS is the only appropriate option left to the judge. (I
don't think IRRELEVENT or INSUFFICIENT are appropriate here.)

I'll note there's another, less trouble definition of "the" on
Wiktionary:

Introducing a singular term to be taken generically: preceding a
name of something standing for a whole class.

Under this definition, "the player who initiated ... CAN once grant
emself a Justice Card" would mean that any player who initiated the
most finger pointings Can do so; in this sentence, "the player" is a
generic player, and information follows about whether any given player
is eligible. I guess then the answer depends on whether "most" allows a
tie.

But I don't think this definition applies. It's a much less common use
of "the", sixth in Wiktionary's list. The only reason to prefer it over
#1 is that #1 leads to a contradiction, but R217 doesn't let us reason
in that direction.

}

-- 
Falsifian

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Re: [Treasuror] [Victory Auction] First Victory Auction of July 2021

[Jason Cobb via agora-business]

On 7/2/21 8:14 PM, Rebecca Lee via agora-business wrote:
> I bid 105


I bid 150 coins in the ongoing Victory Auction.

-- 
Jason Cobb

Assessor, Rulekeepor, S​tonemason

Re: BUS: [Contract Amendment] Agoran Press Changes

[Falsifian via agora-business]

On Mon, Jul 05, 2021 at 01:17:51AM +, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:
> I propose the following amendment to the Agoran Press contract, and I
> consent to it.
> 
> (Note: the proposed text below is my last draft plus a sentence
> implementing Telna's suggestion that people SHOULD become Editor when
> they do things.)

With consent from myself, Telna, ATMunn and Murphy (but not
necessarily from Gaelan or Lucidiot), I apply the amendment
(quoted below).

> {{
> 
> Change the text of the contract to the following:
> 
> {
> 
> Purpose: support the documentation of Agoran events in a way that
> informs current players and non-players and also supports future
> research.
> 
> -- Joining and leaving --
> 
> Parties to this contract are called Reportors.
> 
> Any person CAN join or leave this contract by announcement.
> 
> -- Reporting --
> 
> A Weekly Report is a summary of notable events for a given Agoran Week.
> Notability, and what must be included in a summary, are at the author's
> discretion.
> 
> Any player can Report on a past Agoran week by publishing a Weekly
> Report for it, as long as all the following are true:
> 
> * No other player has dibs on that week, as described in this contract.
> 
> * No other Weekly Report has been published for that week.
> 
> * It's at most one year in the past.
> 
> -- Gratitude --
> 
> When a player has Reported on an Agoran Week but has not yet been
> Thanked for that report, any player CAN Thank them for it:
> 
> - by announcement, if the thanker has not Thanked anyone yet this
>   month; or
> 
> - by Agoran Consent.
> 
> -- Dibs --
> 
> Any player can call dibs on a specified week by announcement. That
> player then has dibs on that week, unless another player already had
> it.
> 
> A player can release dibs on a week by announcement: then they no
> longer have dibs.
> 
> When a player's continuously had dibs on a week for 14 days, e
> automatically releases dibs on that week.
> 
> -- Payment --
> 
> Coins Owed are a currency. Whenever a player is Thanked (as defined in
> this contract), e earns 5 boatloads of Coins Owed.
> 
> Whenever this contract owns at least N Coins (for any nonnegative
> integer N), any player CAN transfer N Coins from this contract to
> emself by paying a fee of N Coins Owed.
> 
> To "Redeem N Coins Owed" is to pay N Coins Owed to transfer N Coins
> from this contract to oneself.
> 
> -- Conversion --
> 
> Credits are a currency. If any Credits exist, each Credit is
> immediately replaced with 5 Boatloads of Coins Owed (with the same
> owner). In particular, this happens immediately after the contract is
> first amended to include this provision.
> 
> -- Accounting --
> 
> Any player can become The Editor or cease being The Editor by
> announcement. In other words, The Editor is the last person to
> claim the role, if e has not left it since.
> 
> The Editor is the recordkeepor for Coins and Credits.
> 
> Whenever a players publishes a Weekly Report or Redeems Coins Owed, e
> SHOULD then become the Editor and publish a report.
> 
> -- Amendment --
> 
> Any Reportor can propose an amendment to this contract by announcement.
> If an amendment was proposed at least 2 days ago, at least two thirds
> (rounded up) of all Reportors consent to it, and it has not yet been
> applied, then any Reportor can enact it by announcement. When it is
> enacted, first, non-consenting players cease to be parties to this
> contract, and then it is applied.
> 
> }
> 
> }}
> 
> -- 
> Falsifian

-- 
Falsifian

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Re: [Treasuror] [Victory Auction] First Victory Auction of July 2021

[ATMunn via agora-business]

On 7/11/2021 20:48, Trigon via agora-business wrote:

On 12/07/2021 00:20, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:
On Thu, Jul 08, 2021 at 10:37:25AM -0400, ATMunn via agora-business 
wrote:

On 7/7/2021 21:15, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:
On Wed, Jul 07, 2021 at 01:27:35AM +, Trigon via agora-business 
wrote:

On 05/07/2021 19:42, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:

On 7/4/2021 21:22, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:

On Sun, Jul 04, 2021 at 10:57:46PM +, Trigon via agora-business
wrote:

On 04/07/2021 15:48, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:

I bid 400 coins.


I bid 29 coins.  -G.



I bid 30 coins.

--
Jason Cobb


I bid 100 coins.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)


On Sat, Jul 03, 2021 at 10:14:09AM +1000, Rebecca Lee via
agora-business wrote:

I bid 105


I bid 600 coins.



I bid 750 coins.

--
Trigon


I bid 900.



I bid OVER NINE HUNDRED (that being, 901) coins.



I bid 950 coins.

--
Trigon


I bid 1100 coins.



I bid  coins.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)


I withdraw from this auction. I transfer 220 Coins to Trigon (thanks
for the reminder).



I also withdraw from this auction.



wait no i was just memeing i dont want the card

I withdraw from this auction (unless it's too late, not exactly sure 
what's happening).


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Administrative Regulations Amendments

[Aspen via agora-business]

On Sun, Jul 11, 2021 at 9:53 PM ais523 via agora-business <
agora-business@agoranomic.org> wrote:

> On Mon, 2021-07-12 at 14:46 +1000, Rebecca Lee via agora-official wrote:
> > I intend with 1.5 Agoran Consent to repeal Regulation RA0/0, "Limitations
> > to Powers of Interim Referees". It refers to a mechanism (Summary
> Judgment)
> > that no longer exists in the same form, and the Holiday thing is silly,
> why
> > would an interim Referee be any different to a permanent one in that
> > respect. I'm no longer interim so Ive no personal interest here.
> >
> > I intend w/ 1.5 Agoran Consent to retitle Regulation RA1/0 to
> "Tardiness".
> > I intend w/ 1.5 Agoran Consent to amend the Regulation to state "The
> > Referee SHALL NOT impose a fine above one blot for Tardiness unless the
> > Tardiness is for an obligation which has been missed for more than 14
> days,
> > or unless the Tardiness is intentional".
> >
> > I intend w/ 1.5 Agoran Consent to repeal Regulation RA3/0 (not needed)
>
> I support the first three of these intents. (This message does not
> contain support nor opposition to the fourth.)
>

I support the first three and object to the fourth.

-Aspen