Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Sun, Jun 30, 2013 at 10:56 PM, Steven Gardner steven.gard...@monash.edu wrote: On 1 July 2013 14:35, Chuck Carroll games...@chuckcarroll.org wrote: Thanks to all the players, especially my fellow winners, and many many thanks to Fool for running such an enjoyable game. Like others have

RE: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread Chuck Carroll
I had intended to vote against 307 (which transmuted 112) but missed the voting period. My opposition was partly against lengthening the game, but more as a tit-for-tat-like strategy, as omd had voted against my first proposal to transmute 110. The interesting thing on transmutation is that a

DIS: XX/ Birthday irc chat logs

2013-07-01 Thread Charles Walker
If anyone wants them, let me know. -- Walker

Re: DIS: XX/ Birthday irc chat logs

2013-07-01 Thread Steven Gardner
Yes, please. -- Steve Gardner via mobile On 1 Jul 2013 19:33, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: If anyone wants them, let me know. -- Walker

Re: DIS: XX/ Birthday irc chat logs

2013-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Charles Walker wrote: If anyone wants them, let me know. -- Walker Same here - yes please! -G.

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: On 30/06/2013 5:41 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Of course, Blob's version of innocuous wasn't... so we sure didn't have a commanding lead going into the last vote. At the end we knew if everyone in the game voted and spent their points on voting we'd not get

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: On 01/07/2013 12:35 AM, Chuck Carroll wrote: Like others have mentioned, I like the idea of a Nomic with a defined endpoint (being well aware, of course, that there is no guarantee that the endpoint will remain unchanged) in which I can most likely play

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 30 Jun 2013, Aaron Goldfein wrote: I like this idea, and was the spirit of what I was going for in my proposal to make Agora XX resume annually. The holiday idea is also a good one; could we perhaps replace the current Christmas time holiday? As a student I have lots of time free

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: On 01/07/2013 12:35 AM, Chuck Carroll wrote: Like others have mentioned, I like the idea of a Nomic with a defined endpoint (being well aware, of course, that there is no guarantee that the endpoint will remain unchanged) in which I can most likely play

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Question for omd: did you have a clever way to win had 363 put us into Zeno's Endgame? I came up with a couple thoughts but not particularly compelling ones. -G. Not really, since a quorum would still be required to

Re: DIS: XX/ Birthday irc chat logs

2013-07-01 Thread Steven Gardner
I read the chat logs, and found in it the link to Michael Norrish's Nomic World page, and so the summaries I wrote of the first six games (which turned out to be the only six games) of Nomic World, which I hadn't thought about for 20 years. That was a blast! The reason that Nomic World died was

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2013-07-01 at 10:21 -0400, omd wrote: On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Question for omd: did you have a clever way to win had 363 put us into Zeno's Endgame? I came up with a couple thoughts but not particularly compelling ones. -G. Not

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7499-7502

2013-07-01 Thread Charles Walker
On 1 Jul 2013, at 15:37, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: CoE: What happened to my proposals? On further review, I misattributed one proposal by you, 7497, to myself, but I don't think I missed any. Please let me

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread Fool
On 01/07/2013 2:54 AM, Chuck Carroll wrote: I also have an idea or two about how a group of players could get around the requirement of unanimity for making a rule mutable against a single player determined to prevent all such transmutations. The majority can kick the minority out of the

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Fool wrote: On 01/07/2013 2:54 AM, Chuck Carroll wrote: I also have an idea or two about how a group of players could get around the requirement of unanimity for making a rule mutable against a single player determined to prevent all such transmutations. The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I register

2013-07-01 Thread Matt Berlin
Hello to you too Charles. I have seen a bit of talk about an active IRC channel. Is that still up? Matthew Berlin arkes...@gmail.com 535 Misty Patch Rd. Coatesville, PA 19320 (484) 832-1055 On Fri, Jun 28, 2013 at 7:09 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.comwrote: On 28 Jun 2013

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I register

2013-07-01 Thread Sean Hunt
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Matt Berlin arkes...@gmail.com wrote: Hello to you too Charles. I have seen a bit of talk about an active IRC channel. Is that still up? ##nomic on Freenode. It's an Agoran DF. -scshunt

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I thought at one point the complete silence at how one becomes a player was quite weak (I guess it came up with the forfeiture-forcing). Walker, consider taking note! -G. Incidentally, I disliked the judgement that a

Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, omd wrote: On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I thought at one point the complete silence at how one becomes a player was quite weak (I guess it came up with the forfeiture-forcing). Walker, consider taking note! -G.

Re: DIS: XX/ Birthday irc chat logs

2013-07-01 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:44 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Charles Walker wrote: If anyone wants them, let me know. -- Walker Same here - yes please! -G. I would also love to see them. Unfortunately something came up at the last minute and I wasn't

DIS: Re: OFF: [Returning Officor] Era of Boredom

2013-07-01 Thread Fool
On 01/07/2013 4:55 PM, Charles Walker wrote: RETURNING OFFICOR'S PARTY REPORT There are no parties; all players are Independent. -- Walker This intent is not stale yet... http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg25052.html Support my motion to found the Serious party!

DIS: Re: BUS: proto: infractions

2013-07-01 Thread Charles Walker
On 29 April 2013 17:53, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Proto: basic Infractions mechanism (Discuss!) - Create the following power-2 Rule, Infractions: Crimes and Infractions are explicitly

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proto: infractions

2013-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Charles Walker wrote: On 29 April 2013 17:53, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Proto: basic Infractions mechanism (Discuss!) G., do you still intend to propose this? I haven't taken it any further, feel free to jump into the lead if you like, or I'll see if I

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7482-7498

2013-07-01 Thread Charles Walker
On 1 July 2013 01:09, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: 7492 2 50 O Walker Good Judgement AGAINST; this is hardly a proposal worth 50 Yaks. I spent Y40 on making this extra Distributable, so I would only make a small profit if it passes. I suppose the fact that voters might

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7482-7498

2013-07-01 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 6:50 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 July 2013 01:09, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: 7492 2 50 O Walker Good Judgement AGAINST; this is hardly a proposal worth 50 Yaks. I spent Y40 on making this extra Distributable, so I

DIS: Re: BUS: Yak niggles

2013-07-01 Thread omd
Note to self: This was never distributed. As I said, by next week, I will have a script to avoid these way-too-frequent missed proposals. Or you can replace me. On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 12:53 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.com wrote: { Yak niggles (AI 2, proposal fee Y40) Amend

RE: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Chuck Carroll wrote: A very similar thought had occurred to me, except the Speaker could do even better than independently selecting a Judge for each possible set; e could link the sets in such a way to maximize the probability that the same Judge is selected for each set.

DIS: Re: BUS: [Registrar] Dubious registration rewards

2013-07-01 Thread Sean Hunt
Argument: not all obligations require a time limit. On Jul 1, 2013 5:57 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: I award arkestra Y100, the Registration Reward. I award Fool Y100, the Registration Reward. CFJ: It was LEGAL for me to award Fool Y100 earlier in this message. Arguments: I have

RE: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Chuck Carroll wrote: I also have an idea or two about how a group of players could get around the requirement of unanimity for making a rule mutable against a single player determined to prevent all such transmutations. My vague memory is that something like that is how

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2013-07-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, omd wrote: INACTIVE PLAYERS (8) PlayerInactive since ---- Pavitra 31 Mar 13 Kolja 7 Apr 13 Wooble 7 Apr 13 Machiavelli 13 May 13 Tomas

RE: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final report

2013-07-01 Thread Chuck Carroll
That was one of the ideas, yes. Not the only one. :) Chuck -Original Message- From: agora-discussion [mailto:agora-discussion-boun...@agoranomic.org] On Behalf Of Fool Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 12:19 PM To: agora-discussion@agoranomic.org Subject: Re: DIS: Agora XX: 13th and final

Re: DIS: Ambassador Abuse

2013-07-01 Thread Sgeo
A communication to Ambassador Abuse: I change rule 5 to read 'Ambabusese is a strange language: If Agora would interpret the Ambabusese as transferring or awarding a number of Yaks, but failing to transfer or award Yaks such that both Sgeo and woggle gain at least 3000 Yaks in the week, the

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Census

2013-07-01 Thread omd
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:16 PM, Ørjan Johansen oer...@nvg.ntnu.no wrote: [1] legal fiction; actually 4 Jun 13 That seems to be a dangling [1]. Indeed; it should refer to Machiavelli.

Re: DIS: Ambassador Abuse

2013-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Sgeo wrote: A communication to Ambassador Abuse: I change rule 5 to read 'Ambabusese is a strange language: If Agora would interpret the Ambabusese as transferring or awarding a number of Yaks, but failing to transfer or award Yaks such that both Sgeo and woggle gain

Re: DIS: Ambassador Abuse

2013-07-01 Thread Max Schutz
wait now i am confused is agora xx its own nomic as is ambassador abuse or are they subdivisions of that thing we know as agora On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 8:41 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Sgeo wrote: A communication to Ambassador Abuse: I change rule 5 to

Re: DIS: Ambassador Abuse

2013-07-01 Thread Kerim Aydin
Agora XX was its own nomic that ran on the Agora discussion list for the past couple weeks. It's over now. Ambassador abuse is (in theory) also its own nomic, which was created for the purpose of trying to scam something in Agora. -G. On Mon, 1 Jul 2013, Max Schutz wrote: wait now i am

Re: DIS: Ambassador Abuse

2013-07-01 Thread Max Schutz
sounds kinda bizzarre On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:01 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Agora XX was its own nomic that ran on the Agora discussion list for the past couple weeks. It's over now. Ambassador abuse is (in theory) also its own nomic, which was created for the

DIS: Re: BUS: Going soft on crime

2013-07-01 Thread Sgeo
On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:30 PM, Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@gmail.comwrote: I submit the following proposals: { Exile too harsh, AI 2, disinterested Amend Rule 1504 (Criminal Cases) by removing the text and CANNOT register for two months after that time. [ EXILED players still won't