Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [assumed Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 7610

2013-12-16 Thread Aaron Goldfein
What's the point of repealing the Map of Agora anyway? If we're getting rid of it, why not get rid of Town Fountain at the same time? On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 2:46 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Sun, 15 Dec 2013, Benjamin Schultz wrote: 7610 G. 3 Or 0 I1

Re: DIS: interest poll

2013-12-16 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
On 16 December 2013 00:31, Michael Norrish michael.norr...@nicta.com.auwrote: On 16/12/13 10:28, Tanner Swett wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: Why? Maybe the fact people have lost interest in Agora is because the core of the game has hardly changed in years. It

DIS: Just how overdue is the ruleset

2013-12-16 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
I went looking for the last ruleset in the archives found at http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/info.html where the link points to from the Agora homepage. I couldn't find any after sometime in May; those archives are either incomplete or I failed to find things when

Re: DIS: interest poll

2013-12-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: On 16 December 2013 00:31, Michael Norrish michael.norr...@nicta.com.au wrote: On 16/12/13 10:28, Tanner Swett wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Aaron Goldfein wrote: What I'd really like (at least, what I think I'd really

Re: DIS: Just how overdue is the ruleset

2013-12-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: I went looking for the last ruleset in the archives found at http://www.mail-archive.com/agora-official@agoranomic.org/info.html where the link points to from the Agora homepage. I couldn't find any after sometime in May; those archives are

Re: DIS: interest poll

2013-12-16 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
On 16 December 2013 20:08, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: On 16 December 2013 00:31, Michael Norrish michael.norr...@nicta.com.au wrote: On 16/12/13 10:28, Tanner Swett wrote: On Dec 15, 2013, at 5:21 PM, Aaron

Re: DIS: interest poll

2013-12-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: In contrast, and in line with Norrish' subgame manifesto, I think a subgame that's encoded into the Agoran rules is the way to go. Makes sense. In that context, is there any major difference to you between an economic system and a subgame? (my

Re: DIS: interest poll

2013-12-16 Thread Aaron Goldfein
If I recall correctly, Space Alert was not a subgame in the sense that it was created via a mechanism designed for subgame creation. Rather, the game itself was directly codified in the ruleset. On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 2:54 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.comwrote: On 16 December

Re: DIS: interest poll

2013-12-16 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 3:00 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Jonatan Kilhamn wrote: In contrast, and in line with Norrish' subgame manifesto, I think a subgame that's encoded into the Agoran rules is the way to go. Makes sense. In that context, is

Re: DIS: interest poll

2013-12-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Aaron Goldfein wrote: The economies aren't really subgames because they interact with the whole of Agora.  Ok, we want a subgame that 'kinda' interacts, maybe just through Score/winning, but not requiring participation in order to vote, make proposals etc. About right?

DIS: subgame proto attempt

2013-12-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
[How simple can we make this; one rule?] Create the following rule, The Ant Farm: There exists an Ant Farm, which is an asset belonging to itself. There exists a document called the Ant Farm Manifesto, which is maintained by the Ant Farmer, which is an office. The Ant Farm

Re: DIS: interest poll

2013-12-16 Thread Tanner Swett
Re what a subgame is, I think I'd define subgame as something like delimited set of activities intended to be fun primarily for its own sake. A subgame doesn't have to be defined outside of the ruleset, nor is it necessary for a subgame to be isolated from the rest of Agora (but there should be

Re: DIS: interest poll

2013-12-16 Thread Michael Norrish
You want a sub-game that has the legalistic flavour of Agora so that people who like that legal-beagle stuff will want to play the sub-game. Michael On 17/12/13 08:42, Tanner Swett wrote: Re what a subgame is, I think I'd define subgame as something like delimited set of activities intended

Re: DIS: subgame proto attempt

2013-12-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
[Players in recent conversation (and everyone!). Pls comment if this is the sort of thing that you might have in mind]. The ANT FARM MANIFESTO 1. Beans, Grains, and Drops are each currencies (collectively 'crops'; each currency is a 'crop type'). 2. When a

Re: DIS: subgame proto attempt

2013-12-16 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
On 16 December 2013 23:42, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: [Players in recent conversation (and everyone!). Pls comment if this is the sort of thing that you might have in mind]. The ANT FARM MANIFESTO 1. Beans, Grains, and Drops are each currencies (collectively