DIS: Unofficial Quasi Finger Point

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
As I noticed yesterday, the PM is still not allowed to arbitrarily issue cards because "Executive orders" is lower power than "Cards". I draw the attention of the referee to my illegal card issuance to myself. I wish finger-pointing allowances were higher. -- >From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
A vote like: vote any player whose name begins w/ J, else PRESENT is just fine and presents no problems. On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 3:21 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > I meant ban any vote like > 1. Jeff > 2. PRESENT. > > I would count that vote as just a vote for Jeff. > > On Fri, Sep

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
I meant ban any vote like 1. Jeff 2. PRESENT. I would count that vote as just a vote for Jeff. On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 2:17 PM, Josh T wrote: > I typed up a long response and then realized that I think we might have > differing ideas of what it means to talk about

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 15, 2017, at 12:10 AM, Josh T wrote: > > Here's two more: > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-May/034600.html > (the one quoted directly in the link, and the one quoted by that message) > > 天火狐 Thanks. A brief

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread Josh T
I typed up a long response and then realized that I think we might have differing ideas of what it means to talk about "whole votes", thus I am going to ask; what did you mean by "count PRESENT as a whole vote"? 天火狐 On 14 September 2017 at 23:48, VJ Rada wrote: > That's a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

2017-09-14 Thread Josh T
Here's two more: https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2017-May/034600.html (the one quoted directly in the link, and the one quoted by that message) 天火狐 On 14 September 2017 at 22:14, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > > On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:55 PM,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread Josh T
We could use the Unicode collation algorithm, I guess. Your point is noted however. 天火狐 On 14 September 2017 at 23:46, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > > On Sep 14, 2017, at 11:43 PM, Josh T wrote: > > > > I believe that the term "alphabetical order" can

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
That's a conditional, which is totally different. G's here talking about an instant runoff ballot of 1. Jeff 2. PRESENT On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 1:38 PM, Josh T wrote: > It sounds like having endorse or PRESENT as the tail of a list of votes is > acceptable. This

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread Josh T
I believe that the term "alphabetical order" can be used to mean "lexicographical order", of which increasing unicode codepoint values is a naturalistic choice. 天火狐 On 14 September 2017 at 20:19, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > For reference: if you resolve that vote as

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread Josh T
It sounds like having endorse or PRESENT as the tail of a list of votes is acceptable. This allows things like "I endorse A, unless eir vote indicates preference for B, in which case my vote is PRESENT." 天火狐 On 14 September 2017 at 19:09, VJ Rada wrote: > My current policy

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Attempt to resolve ambiguity

2017-09-14 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Sep 14, 2017 9:45 PM, "Owen Jacobson" wrote: > On Sep 14, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > (Not everyone is receiving my messages sent via this emergency backup method. Could someone quote this email in a message of their own so that

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3559 assigned to o

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > This was previously assigned to o, but copy/paste messup gave it the wrong > subject line. This is to make sure there's a clear subject line with the > assignment. > > On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: >

DIS: Re: BUS: Attempt to resolve ambiguity

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 10:40 PM, Alex Smith wrote: > > (Not everyone is receiving my messages sent via this emergency backup method. > Could someone quote this email in a message of their own so that everyone can > see it?) > > I become an option in the current

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:55 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Read line 1 of the pledge. If part of the pledge is saying I CAN revoke it > (including a method), > I can do so as part of keeping the pledge, I assume. It’s not at all clear how that works, or even if it

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

2017-09-14 Thread Quazie
You can't revoke pledges On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 18:44 Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I intend to revoke the below pledge with 4 days notice. It was made while > I was a non-player and CFJs were free for me. > > (if I do this, the proposal will now make me party to an

Re: DIS: [Proto] IRV formalization

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:36 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > An endorsement is a type of conditional. Does formalizing the "endorse" mean > other types of conditionals are forbidden? are they allowed outside the list > but not inside? > > For example, would "I vote for

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
And my pledge to make relevant titles and not steal anyone's person again. On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:39 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > You might want to add nichdel's anti-cuddlebeam pledge. > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> Ugh, I missed

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
You might want to add nichdel's anti-cuddlebeam pledge. On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > Ugh, I missed a pledge, and I’m not sure that retroactive creation would > work. I withdraw the proposal “Make Your Home Shine” and submit the following > proposal

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

2017-09-14 Thread Cuddle Beam
You didn't pend it so I guess its fine. On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 3:36 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > Ugh, I missed a pledge, and I’m not sure that retroactive creation would > work. I withdraw the proposal “Make Your Home Shine” and submit the > following proposal in its place: > >

Re: DIS: [Proto] IRV formalization

2017-09-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
An endorsement is a type of conditional. Does formalizing the "endorse" mean other types of conditionals are forbidden? are they allowed outside the list but not inside? For example, would "I vote for {Incumbent if e does X, Someone else if e does Y, Third person}" (assuming X and Y are

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3559 assigned to o

2017-09-14 Thread Cuddle Beam
I'm sure that there have been other Arbitors before and I'm very happy to have G as it now, but it just feels weird to me to have not-ais do it lol. I dunno why. Habit? Oh well. On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 3:31 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > This was previously assigned to o,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prime Minister] Speaker & Card

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:19 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Also the slip you gave was judged illegal by cfj! I had forgotten about that, but you’re right! However, I never received a card for it. If I were to deregister now, would I become a fugitive? -o signature.asc

DIS: [Proto] IRV formalization

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
Create a new rule, “Instant Run-Off Voting”, with power ??? and the following text: When the voting method for an Agoran Decision is instant run-off, then, for that decision, a valid ballot consists of exactly one of the following: * PRESENT. * ENDORSE and the name of a person. * A list of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prime Minister] Speaker & Card

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 5:52 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > No, the words used are "abusing the office for personal gain". Quite > clearly corruption stuff, taking bribes or just being unfair. I believe the only pink slip ever issued under anything in the current generation of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3557 judged FALSE

2017-09-14 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Sep 14, 2017 7:44 PM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote: > >> CFJ 2120 states (apparently in accordance with previous precedent which I > >> couldn't find) that, where there is a SHALL without any reasonable mechanism to > >> fulfill it, it implies CAN by announcement.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prime Minister] Speaker & Card

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 13, 2017, at 6:00 PM, Quazie wrote: > > he Oi. -o signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP

Re: DIS: [Draft] Make Your Home Shine, or, Contracts On The Cheap

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 13, 2017, at 5:20 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > > On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> Title: Make Your Home Shine >> Author: o >> Co-authors: CuddleBeam >> AI: 1.7 >> >> For the purposes of clarity, no existing pledge is intended to carry over >> into

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3557 judged FALSE

2017-09-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
> >> CFJ 2120 states (apparently in accordance with previous precedent which I > >> couldn't find) that, where there is a SHALL without any reasonable > >> mechanism to > >> fulfill it, it implies CAN by announcement. Unfortunately, CFJ 2120 gets precedent wrong, and this concerns me. CFJ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] More than one way to skin a win

2017-09-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
There's no deep history. That's how it was implemented. And the first victory election ever failed for different reasons, although there were also questions about non-players. And I wondered about your interpretation too, just now before announcing ais523. You're very possibly right. If a

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

2017-09-14 Thread Cuddle Beam
Also, going by a "formal" approach: "Agora" dies each time the gamestate takes a path that I disagree with. : D jk, I believe that Agora is just a social activity and that we're dishonest with ourselves and others often enough. along having enough disagreements by having different point of views

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

2017-09-14 Thread Cuddle Beam
The core issue is imo what you define Agora to be. The social activity or the "formal" space we generate together? On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 2:11 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > > On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:19 AM, Aris Merchant gmail.com> wrote: > > > >

DIS: Re: BUS: 200 word apology

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
Thank you for thoroughly and honestly addressing the situation. > On Sep 14, 2017, at 8:12 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I'm sorry for taking the ADoP position instead of giving it to o, > given nobody actually voted for me except the one vote I bought and > I'm sure e would have

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] More than one way to skin a win

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
"non-player persons can also become valid options during the voting period by announcement." I admit I don't know the history of this provision. But it seems to me this textually applies only when a non-player emself announces emself a valid option. On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 10:22 AM, Aris

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

2017-09-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > > >> On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:19 AM, Aris Merchant > >> wrote: > >> > >> Agora would stop existing. It would therfore have no state.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] More than one way to skin a win

2017-09-14 Thread Aris Merchant
Would this work?: "For each person not currently registered, I make em a valid option in this election." -Aris On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > I'm pretty sure voting for a non-player is sufficient to announce em, but just > in case: I make

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

2017-09-14 Thread Aris Merchant
On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 5:11 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:19 AM, Aris Merchant >> wrote: >> >> Agora would stop existing. It would therfore have no state. Arguably >> though, if we made a meta-descision to recreate it,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread grok (caleb vines)
For reference: if you resolve that vote as present and that vote causes PSS to be elected, I will probably CFJ the assessment. -grok On Sep 14, 2017 7:15 PM, "VJ Rada" wrote: I would say use eir preferred English character titles but there are two different ones which

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2017-09-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
Uck "SHALL or else INEFFECTIVE" is ugly, a double penalty. Make it "CANNOT claim a reward without listing the number of shinies..." On Fri, 15 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: > ugh too late. I guess issue me a card, although I can't point a finger. > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Owen Jacobson

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
I would say use eir preferred English character titles but there are two different ones which start with different letters. I guess if there is a tie here, I would resolve as PRESENT due to ambiguity. On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Aris Merchant wrote: >

DIS: Re: BUS: 200 word apology

2017-09-14 Thread Aris Merchant
Thank you. -Aris On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 5:12 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > Firstly I'm sorry for continually failing to use 'e' 'em' etc, it's > inexcusable at this point. > > I'm sorry for trying to take control of Quazie without notifying em or > anyone and certainly without

Re: DIS: No Telepathy v2

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:19 AM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Agora would stop existing. It would therfore have no state. Arguably > though, if we made a meta-descision to recreate it, it would start > existing again. The Paradox of Self-Amendment has some stuff

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On Sep 14, 2017 7:01 PM, "Owen Jacobson" wrote: On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:11 PM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: On Sep 13, 2017 6:22 PM, "VJ Rada" wrote: Please note the already ongoing election for agronomist. I initiate the elections for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread Aris Merchant
There isn't one. For anyone who wants to try this, I'd suggest ascending order of unicode code points. In fact, I may propose making a rule that defines alphabetical order that way. -Aris On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > > On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:11 PM,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 4:11 PM, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > > On Sep 13, 2017 6:22 PM, "VJ Rada" > wrote: > Please note the already ongoing election for agronomist. > > I initiate the elections for and the agoran decisions

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] More than one way to skin a win

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
I vote {G, o, ais523 if e is a candidate, myself} On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >>==THEREFORE, BE IT HEREBY RESOLVED >> >> As Herald, I initiate a VICTORY ELECTION, a type of Agoran Decision. >> All players are

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 2:45 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > Superintendent, Surveyor: > { > PRESENT, > Incumbent of that office if e votes for emself first on eir list of options, > the first person (in time) to vote for emself first (on eir list of options) > }. > >

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3557 judged FALSE

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:55 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Judge's Arguments for CFJ 3557: > > This case boils down an interpretation of the application of Rule 2152 > ("Mother, May I?") to Rule 2497 ("Floating Value"). The full text of both > rules is in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
ugh too late. I guess issue me a card, although I can't point a finger. On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:53 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >> >> I claim the reward for this. > > From recently-enacted proposal 7845: > >>

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:53 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > I claim the reward for this. From recently-enacted proposal 7845: > Amend R2496 "Rewards" by, at the end of the first paragraph, adding: > > When a player claims a reward, e SHALL list the number of shinies e > receives,

Re: DIS: I found a serious mistake, again. Read the rules, folks.

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
sorry for not reading properly. On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:50 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > ya my bad. obv that's the proposal's power not any rule's power anyways. > > On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: >> Not even. Keep reading the rule. >> >>>

Re: DIS: I found a serious mistake, again. Read the rules, folks.

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
ya my bad. obv that's the proposal's power not any rule's power anyways. On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > Not even. Keep reading the rule. > >> On Sep 14, 2017, at 3:36 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >> >> You're right, it was a rulekeepor

Re: DIS: I found a serious mistake, again. Read the rules, folks.

2017-09-14 Thread Gaelan Steele
Not even. Keep reading the rule. > On Sep 14, 2017, at 3:36 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > You're right, it was a rulekeepor typo. > >> On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> >>> On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:03 AM, VJ Rada wrote:

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
My current policy is to count PRESENT as a whole vote. Endorse can't be a whole vote bc people keep saying things like "vote CB, else endorse G". My current policy is to count that vote as a list of {CB, all of G's votes in order except for the vote for CB, which is first} On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
not to public forum On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 8:56 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:22 PM, VJ Rada wrote: >> >> Please note the already ongoing election for agronomist. >> >> I initiate the elections for and the agoran decisions for the >>

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:22 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Please note the already ongoing election for agronomist. > > I initiate the elections for and the agoran decisions for the > determination of the Arbitor, the Superintendent, the Tailor, the > Promotor, the Referee, the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Solvency

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 3:00 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: >> As promised. >> >> -o >> >>> On Sep 13, 2017, at 2:28 PM, Nic Evans wrote: >>> >>> I don't really

Re: DIS: I found a serious mistake, again. Read the rules, folks.

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
You're right, it was a rulekeepor typo. On Fri, Sep 15, 2017 at 7:44 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: > >> On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:03 AM, VJ Rada wrote: >> >> "When a decision about whether to adopt a proposal is resolved, if the >> outcome is ADOPTED, then the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Guaranteed Stamp Income

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> Enact a Power 1 rule titled "Basic Stamp Income" with the following > text: > >When the Secretary publishes the first Weekly Report of an Agoran >Month, e CAN and SHALL, by announcement, create Stamps with Agora as >the Creater and transfer them to any player who has no stamps and >

Re: DIS: I found a serious mistake, again. Read the rules, folks.

2017-09-14 Thread Owen Jacobson
> On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:03 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > "When a decision about whether to adopt a proposal is resolved, if the > outcome is ADOPTED, then the proposal in question is adopted, and > unless other rules prevent it from taking effect, its power is set to > the minimum

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3529 assigned to G.

2017-09-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
I forgot to cut ais523's line "This is CFJ 3529. I assign it to Sprocklem" from this case info. Hopefully it's clear that I assigned it to myself first, so assigning it to Sprocklem was ineffective! On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I recuse Sprocklem from CFJ 3529. > > I assign G. to

Re: DIS: a relief valve

2017-09-14 Thread Nic Evans
Combining this idea with a separate discussion: Make the Speaker electable, but the only valid options are people with a certain karma threshold. If the current holder drops below that, e can be impeached. On 09/13/17 14:25, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > [Talked about several times recently, but

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2017-09-14 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I publish the following ADoP weekly report. The alignments are rather out of whack here (and not just the one with Japanese in). Greetings, Ørjan. Informal Measures Consolidation (number of filled offices over number of officeholders):

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] You thought there was a lot of elections last time. Initiating 8 (!) elections.

2017-09-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I have no idea how to handle PRESENT in runoff voting. Is it a replacement > for the whole list, or is it an option on the list? If it's the first option > on a ranked voting, is PRESENT "eliminated" if it doesn't win, so my vote > doesn't > end up

Re: DIS: Proposal: Add your typo fixes here

2017-09-14 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I think I understand. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > I'm saying (1) there's no issue, and (2) if there was an issue with that text, > it's in the version up for

Re: DIS: Proposal: Add your typo fixes here

2017-09-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
I'm saying (1) there's no issue, and (2) if there was an issue with that text, it's in the version up for ratification. Looking at VJ Rada's original note, e literally is interpreting half a sentence, and dropped the second half of the sentence! Sentence interpretation doesn't work that way.

Re: DIS: Proposal: Add your typo fixes here

2017-09-14 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
If I understand you correctly, I am confused. Are you saying that the issue exists in the version up for ratification? Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 14, 2017, at 9:40 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > First, the

Re: DIS: Proposal: Add your typo fixes here

2017-09-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
First, the Minimum of "4 and its adoption index" is almost always the adoption index. Maximum is absolutely wrong and would break it. (minimum means "lowest", right?). Since they all have AIs, this means AIs of 5,6, etc. get set to 4, and AIs less than 4 are set to the AI. That's how it's

Re: DIS: Proposal: Add your typo fixes here

2017-09-14 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Having thoroughly checked archives, I am very confident in saying that it is only a typo and not the actual text of the rule and that no rule changes are needed. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:22 AM, VJ Rada

Re: DIS: Proposal: Add your typo fixes here

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
thank god for ratification ayyy lmao On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 9:23 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Actually, I just checked an archived version [1] of the rule since the last > change to it from the period when G. kept the ruleset and

Re: DIS: Proposal: Add your typo fixes here

2017-09-14 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Actually, I just checked an archived version [1] of the rule since the last change to it from the period when G. kept the ruleset and this error wasn’t there, so my guess is that it is a typo and if it is not the SLR ratification will resolve the problem because the typo is not in that version,

Re: DIS: Proposal: Add your typo fixes here

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
No bc that would invalidate our treating of rule conflicts for 3 years. On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 9:20 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > Actually, this isn’t needed. All we need to do is go through and specify per > rule what the power is

Re: DIS: Proposal: Add your typo fixes here

2017-09-14 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Actually, this isn’t needed. All we need to do is go through and specify per rule what the power is supposed to be. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:14 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus >

Re: DIS: Proposal: Add your typo fixes here

2017-09-14 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Could we make the change to Rule 106 retroactive to avoid cleanup. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 14, 2017, at 7:09 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > Title: Minor fixes 2.0 > AI: 3 > In rule 2423, "First Among Equals", replace the

DIS: Proposal: Add your typo fixes here

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
Title: Minor fixes 2.0 AI: 3 In rule 2423, "First Among Equals", replace the text "The holder of the office of Prime Minister's voting strength is increased by 1 on all Agoran decisions other than a elections of the Prime Minister." with "The holder of the office of Prime Minister's voting

Re: DIS: I found a serious mistake, again. Read the rules, folks.

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
This is in rule 106, which by virtue of its earlier adoption, likely takes precedence over contradictory rules: it's power 3. On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 9:03 PM, VJ Rada wrote: > "When a decision about whether to adopt a proposal is resolved, if the > outcome is ADOPTED, then

DIS: I found a serious mistake, again. Read the rules, folks.

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
"When a decision about whether to adopt a proposal is resolved, if the outcome is ADOPTED, then the proposal in question is adopted, and unless other rules prevent it from taking effect, its power is set to the minimum of four" Yep that's right. Minimum. -- >From V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] More than one way to skin a win

2017-09-14 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I intentionally left it open because I want that clause to allow anyone who agrees with the sentiment. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 14, 2017, at 5:58 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > You may want to exclude me and CB from the

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] More than one way to skin a win

2017-09-14 Thread VJ Rada
You may want to exclude me and CB from the second clause as well as the third. On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 7:53 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > I vote [G.,nichdel,Aris,o,PSS], followed by all players who endorse this > vote, with those doing so

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prime Minister] Speaker & Card

2017-09-14 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
This can be made a legal fiction by collusion between the Referee and the Arbitor. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 14, 2017, at 5:52 AM, VJ Rada wrote: > > No, the words used are "abusing the office for personal gain".

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prime Minister] Speaker & Card

2017-09-14 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
I like the idea of impeachment, but couldn’t a pink slip be issued for not representing the community. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 13, 2017, at 10:20 PM, Aris Merchant > wrote: > > Maybe add

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Prime Minister] Speaker & Card

2017-09-14 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
If you don’t mind, I will wait until it is clear who the speaker is via resolution of the CFJs before I deregister you. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On Sep 13, 2017, at 10:02 PM, Nic Evans wrote: > > > > On 09/13/17 20:55,