DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] [CFJ] Revised distribution of proposals 7721-24

2014-11-03 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 6:09 PM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: I've got the essential parameters -- author, AI, text -- right, so the initiation of the Agoran Decision of whether to adopt proposal 7723 succeeded -- after all, I'm permitted to initiate such decisions. However, I did fail to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] [CFJ] Revised distribution of proposals 7721-24

2014-11-03 Thread omd
On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 6:47 PM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: That's not exactly what I've said. IMO, I didn't create any new proposals -- but I did initiate a decision about whether to adopt a mysterious, unspecified proposal 7723. You are only permitted to distribute (defined as

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Office Salary Fix

2014-11-02 Thread omd
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com wrote: -- Proposal: Office Salary Fix Author: Henri Adoption Index: 1 Replace is impelled to in Rule 2439 (Office Salary) with SHALL.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes on Proposals 7698-7710

2014-11-02 Thread omd
On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Eritivus eriti...@gmail.com wrote: I must not understand this comment. Surely the problem wasn't that there was no specified order for the individual replacements? It would seem very odd to require such an order. Agora is nothing if not odd. Rule 105 states:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Any proposals around?

2014-10-30 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 2:39 AM, Eritivus eriti...@gmail.com wrote: Counterarguments: The information required is 'a list of all proposals in the Proposal Pool, along with their text and attributes', not each individual fact that list represents, such as 'that Wordplay was in the Proposal

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: restricted distribution

2014-10-30 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: I retract the proposal Restricted distribution. I submit the following proposal (an edited version): Still contains the swich typo. Regarding the attributes thing, since this proposal is already AI 3, can't you

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7698-7710

2014-10-30 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 2:48 AM, Eritivus eriti...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2014-10-27 at 06:22 +, Eritivus wrote: 7706 3 omd Fast Track ENDORSE scshunt If this was a valid ballot [*], I retract it. I vote FOR 7706. [*] It seems scshunt isn't registered? After a bit

DIS: (no subject)

2014-10-30 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: The proposal pool currently contains the following proposals (with preliminary IDs): Though it's of course the Promotor's prerogative to choose when to distribute, I'm curious why you didn't distribute all of them.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of proposals 7711-20

2014-10-30 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 30, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: 7711 omd1.0 Wordplay By the way, it was pointed out that this violates the recently arguably reestablished custom of installing an officer, so I probably should have changed it. But in any case, I volunteer

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: restricted distribution

2014-10-28 Thread omd
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:43 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: Would anything important be lost by changing Once a proposal is created, none of its attributes can be changed to Once a proposal is created, none of these attributes can be changed? (The previous paragraph is

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Proposal: Expedition

2014-10-28 Thread omd
On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Tanner Swett tannersw...@gmail.com wrote: A rule which purports to allow a person (a special deputy) to perform an action via special deputisation for an office thereby allows them to perform the action by announcement, as long as You're

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7698-7710

2014-10-27 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 11:31 AM, Sprocklem sprock...@gmail.com wrote: 7706 3 omd Fast Track AGAINST. This is IMO a terrible way to go about this and the Expedition proposal seems, at least at a cursory glance, better implemented. Also, I don't trust omd. I think that my proposal

Re: DIS: Protos: bring back contracts!

2014-10-27 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: The idea of paying to distribute a proposal is simple. Proposals make work for everyone (voters and officers). Writing a proposal is an aspect of gameplay that's the creative part, paying for all of Agora to review

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: restricted distribution

2014-10-27 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 3:54 PM, Jonatan Kilhamn jonatan.kilh...@gmail.com wrote: The Promotor CAN distribute a proposal which is in the Proposal Pool at any time. The Promotor SHALL not distribute proposals which are not pending. SHALL NOT Imminence is a swich,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Silver Quill

2014-10-27 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 10:51 PM, Benjamin Schultz ben.dov.schu...@gmail.com wrote: The Marker Dates are SEMI annual -- every half year. BI annual means every two years. I hate hate HAET it when people use bi- to mean semi-. Please amend your Proposal before I run you over with a bitruck. I

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Full disclosure

2014-10-26 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 3:06 AM, Edward Murphy emurph...@zoho.com wrote: Proposal: Full disclosure The text you're amending was modified four days ago. Sorry, I haven't updated the ruleset yet.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7698-7710

2014-10-26 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 12:12 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: 7706 3 omd Fast Track AGAINST. For some reason I don't trust omd with rapidly-adopted proposals right now. Oh, come on, don't punish me for scamming. The proposal's pretty straightforward.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2014-10-26 Thread omd
On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 5:25 PM, woggle woggl...@gmail.com wrote: = THE SCROLL OF AGORA = Belated CoE: You were de-Heralded by

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2014-10-26 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 4:31 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 5:25 PM, woggle woggl...@gmail.com wrote: = THE SCROLL OF AGORA

DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Any proposals around?

2014-10-26 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 5:43 PM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: I deputise for the Promotor to publish the following report: The Proposal Pool is currently empty. Wordplay is in there; it was submitted shortly before the last distribution but not distributed because I wanted to get

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7698-7710

2014-10-26 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 7:43 PM, Ørjan Johansen oer...@nvg.ntnu.no wrote: On Sun, 26 Oct 2014, Alex Smith wrote: My current opinion on that proposal is: a) omd does not currently know of a way to scam it; b) omd thinks the proposal is genuinely good for the game; and c) omd will nonetheless

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Expedition

2014-10-26 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 9:38 PM, Tanner Swett tannersw...@gmail.com wrote: Amend Rule 2160 Deputisation by appending the paragraph A rule which purports to allow a person to specially deputise under particular circumstances thereby makes it POSSIBLE for the person to do so

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7698-7710

2014-10-25 Thread omd
nttpf.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7694-97

2014-10-24 Thread omd
On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 8:10 PM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com wrote: omd, are you still Speaker, or did you resign? Shouldn't you have two votes in this? I'm Speaker, lost Prime Minister after the proposal to conflict the two passed. (I don't even have a choice in the matter.) Speaker

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Fast Track

2014-10-23 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:56 PM, Eritivus eriti...@gmail.com wrote: The self-ratifying clause seems worrisome, because it is not obvious to me that it requires the conditions in the first paragraph (AI=1, 7 days notice, etc) to be satisfied. That ratification can occur regardless of any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Minister for GNP Evaluation] Weekly GNP Analysis Report

2014-10-23 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: But it DOESN'T say that a non-person can publish anything. So we may have a case were an automated message is a public message that was never published. Thoughts, anyone else? My reading would be that public =

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Minister for GNP Evaluation] Weekly GNP Analysis Report

2014-10-23 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: So the dice server sent a message via the public forum. Isn't that the definition of a public message? What am I missing? I think the idea is that since the dice server's message contains a full copy of your message,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A little briefer than hoped

2014-10-23 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: There are a few possible interpretations of what that action just did. With my view on matters, what it does is to cause the CFJ to have to be decided TRUE, while its statement is actually FALSE; in other words, it simply

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A little briefer than hoped

2014-10-23 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: In any case, I hope that the resulting actual /verdict/ of the judgement ends up completely irrelevant and doesn't guide gameplay, especially because we're still debating what actually /happened/. I think the verdict of this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: 4 CFJs

2014-10-23 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Linked, you think? -G. The last three, maybe. The first one is independent and shouldn't be.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brief for Moot on CFJ 3429

2014-10-23 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:32 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: H. omd, Are the unterminated 's a copy-pasted error, or is weird string termination part of your fiendish scheme here? Just a (rather ugly) copy+paste mistake.

DIS: Re: BUS: Brief for Moot on CFJ 3429

2014-10-22 Thread omd
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:41 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: While scamming, my interpretation was something along the lines of: an entity pertains to the Province of Agora if the Rules directly, statically associate the two, or if some *inherent* Rules-defined property of the entity makes

DIS: Re: BUS: Brief for Moot on CFJ 3429

2014-10-22 Thread omd
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 5:59 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I dislike this always taking effect terminology. I'd word it as rules are capable of having ongoing effects. Taking effect sounds like they're actively doing something at every moment. It's from Rule 2141: A rule is a

DIS: Re: BUS: and Now For Something Completely The Same

2014-10-22 Thread omd
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Well, Dungeon Master rules are definitely broken and don't see a proposed fix out there. I had this idea below combining the RPG idea, some FRC spirit thrown in, and perhaps a dose of ais523's old great Puzzle game. By

Re: DIS: Brief count

2014-10-20 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:12 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: ais523: FALSE (tactical, but assumes process works after 4 days). Sprocklem : FALSE (tactical, but assumes process works after 4 days). Also, I don't think either of these briefs implies anything about things working

Re: DIS: Brief count

2014-10-20 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:20 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: They said it was tactical. The only vote that makes tactical sense is for them to vote against yours working, and for theirs working, that implicitly recognizes the 4-days argument (that's the only outcome on the table

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Competition

2014-10-20 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:32 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: I think we need more gameplay. Although the points won through a Proposal Competition are rather useless at the moment, still - I intend, with Agoran Consent, to initiate a Proposal Competition. The objective shall be to create

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Competition

2014-10-20 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:37 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I CFJ: {{omd withdrew an intent in the quoted message.}} Arguments: The rules do not specify a mechanism for withdrawing intents. It was TtDF. Incidentally, I don't think the rule actually works. It refers

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal Competition

2014-10-20 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 9:43 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: It was TtDF. There is nothing saying you can't withdraw an intent to a DF. There is very little reason to believe you can. Or in any other forum, as your arguments mention, but especially discussion fora... Are you

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Brief for Moot on CFJ 3429

2014-10-17 Thread omd
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 5:42 PM, Eritivus eriti...@gmail.com wrote: That is, I think the fact that two meanings have been reasonably understood by players does not make the text ambiguous. It would only be ambiguous if two meanings could _now_ be reasonably understood. Well, to the extent that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Scorekeepor] A very lazy attempt at scorekeeping

2014-10-17 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 7:54 AM, Ørjan Johansen oer...@nvg.ntnu.no wrote: I'm pretty sure that isn't a legal deputization, as it fulfils neither requirement (b) or (c) of Rule 2160. Referee was vacant.

DIS: Re: BUS: Call for Judgement: Rulekeepor Rule Violation

2014-10-17 Thread omd
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 6:33 PM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com wrote: Last change to this ruleset: ??? ??? would generally be interpreted as unknown. In this case, it is unknown because the identity of the last change depends on, at least, the outcome of a CFJ currently under moot.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] MOOT begun on CFJ 3429

2014-10-17 Thread omd
On Fri, Oct 17, 2014 at 8:48 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I plan to end the Moot: (a) at One Week if no more briefs are received; (b) if briefs are received before then, 48 hours after the last brief received, but (c) not to exceed 14 days. Approximately. I will probably

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Metareport

2014-10-15 Thread omd
On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:50 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 15 Oct 2014, omd wrote: Arbitor 2 Oct 14 7 Apr 14 CoE: This is me. -G. Er... I think I ratified you out of office in my last report. :/ I am really not good at being IADoP.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results Scam for Proposal 7693

2014-10-09 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: I'd still like to get this in. I think only two changes are neccessary: First, the cause this rule to boilerplate only exists to work around a restriction on rule changes in Power Controls Mutability; there's no need for it

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results Scam for Proposal 7693

2014-10-09 Thread omd
On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 6:27 PM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: So, *how* could I have achieved the desired effect of refering to those rules? You could refer to them by title, but the idiomatic method is to avoid structuring rules in such a way that they have to explicitly refer to other

Re: DIS: No more Rights means no informal process?

2014-10-08 Thread omd
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 9:22 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: 3. The Rules are truly silent, so it's a matter of Agoran preference in terms of play style. This makes it a really good subject for a Moot (voting between two play styles). I like the general idea of trying out voting

DIS: Re: BUS: newplayerregistration

2014-10-08 Thread omd
On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 11:32 AM, James Beirne james.m.bei...@gmail.com wrote: InmytypicalfashionIdeclaremyintenttoregisterinamannerthatisslightlyannoyingtoprocessbutthatisstilllegalprovidedthatIaminterpretingtherulesetcorrectly. Welcome back, Ienpw!

Re: DIS: No more Rights means no informal process?

2014-10-07 Thread omd
, not that the change was only allowed by the originally enabling rule *because* it had been so subject. That would be a property of the rules rather than of the change. I mean, if omd states I hereby start the process of Review when the rules don't govern such a thing, isn't that just a classic ISIDTID fallacy

Re: DIS: No more Rights means no informal process?

2014-10-07 Thread omd
On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: In every other case, when the Rules say A player must do X to then do Y, and there's no explicit defined way to do X, we say too bad, no Y. That's the clear custom underlying ISID, and the legalistic style of Agora in

Re: DIS: judicial proto 2

2014-10-06 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 09:32 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: 7. omd was clearly counting on us making that assumption, then pointing out that the assumption wrong. Now, if omd had shown the assumption was wrong due

Re: DIS: judicial proto 2

2014-10-06 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: For example, in your case, you surprised us with an unexpected interpretation of a brand new rule (and a nice one, I might add), scammed the moment the new rule was adopted. This surprise means we should have plenty of

Re: DIS: judicial proto 2

2014-10-06 Thread omd
On Mon, Oct 6, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Hi omd, a genuine question for you: Let's say that I was a player that hadn't posted for a couple weeks before your scam. Let's further say that, on Day 2, I post the following: I noticed that omd just tried a long

DIS: Re: BUS: Reappearing Roundabouts

2014-10-05 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 10:29 PM, Nich Del Evans nich...@gmail.com wrote: I note the text of CFJ 1263 is as follows: Any message expressing a clear desire or intent to register as a Player counts as a request for registration, whether or not it is explicitly phrased in the manner stipulated by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: As the current judgement stands...

2014-10-04 Thread omd
On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:22 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Sat, 2014-10-04 at 15:00 -0400, omd wrote: I intend to deputise for the Dungeon Master to publish eir report. That was probably a strategic mistake, given that your main hope of this working would be for me to forget. (I

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy IADoP] Metareport

2014-10-04 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 12:31 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I thought it was uncontroversial that I'm the DM. Your scam didn't in any way prevent me becoming the DM; it's just that if it worked, I have no benefit from being the DM other than office pay. If any of the R2437 amendments

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy IADoP] Metareport

2014-10-04 Thread omd
On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 12:36 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Aha, I see the controversy, but your question marks are in the wrong place. If the office exists, I uncontroversially hold it. But some resolutions from your scam cause the office itself to be nonexistent. Yeah, I'm tired.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [deputy Arbitor] CFJ 3429 assigned to G.

2014-10-02 Thread omd
I've had enough to say, I guess, but let me add one last post. 2. Omd specified the Process informally. Fine. But a informal specifications relies on common assumptions. This is no different from the original in making the assumption that the process must be a Process, rather than

DIS: Re: BUS: sigh

2014-10-01 Thread omd
On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 12:50 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I announce intent to assign the following case, called by omd, to a judge: CFJ: Rule 2437 contains the text omd CAN cause this rule to amend itself by announcement. I think you need to explicitly mention deputisation

DIS: Re: BUS: Oh for god's sake, only one person bothers to reply to a dictatorship scam?

2014-09-30 Thread omd
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:36 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: You're a few hours too early. I know. CFJ: Rule 2437 contains the text omd CAN cause this rule to amend itself by announcement. As evidence, I submit the only

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Oh for god's sake, only one person bothers to reply to a dictatorship scam?

2014-09-30 Thread omd
the case in the quotes in omd's evidence. (Further evidence is that omd knew exactly what I was talking about when I said a few hours early.) I contest the idea that a term such as a reasonably public process could be interpreted as equivalent to an exact number of hours, as opposed to looking

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Oh for god's sake, only one person bothers to reply to a dictatorship scam?

2014-09-30 Thread omd
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 5:00 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: If we assume that a reasonably public process is an objective standard that does not depend on the context (such as when the notice is given, or the nature of the content of the proposed change), perhaps

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Oh for god's sake, only one person bothers to reply to a dictatorship scam?

2014-09-30 Thread omd
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: From my hazy memory, 4 days was found in an 2002-2003 era judgement to be the shortest time you would reasonably expect someone to respond to something, on the grounds of you should be able to leave Agora for a weekend

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Oh for god's sake, only one person bothers to reply to a dictatorship scam?

2014-09-30 Thread omd
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: Counterargument: Sprocklem is probably not actively reading the lists. I'd explictly attempted to draw eir attention to my intent, but e seemed to be offline. Thus, it's entirely possible that a) Sprocklem was unaware of the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Oh for god's sake, only one person bothers to reply to a dictatorship scam?

2014-09-30 Thread omd
On Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 3:55 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: I thought it had been determined as part of game custom by now that 4 days is exactly the length of time required to establish notice-to-all-players Oh, there's one big piece of evidence that slipped my mind. For over a year

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting Results for Proposals 7690-7692

2014-09-14 Thread omd
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 5:44 PM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: Sorry, nothing personal. I just felt the offices should be either completely compatible or completely incompatible. The previous rule text seemed to me like an half-hearted attempt to make them incompatible. Indeed, it's silly

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7691-7692

2014-09-13 Thread omd
On Wed, Sep 3, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Sprocklem sprock...@gmail.com wrote: I change my votes on proposals 7691 and 7592 to AGAINST Assessor's note: the latter is invalid.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy IADoP] Metareport

2014-09-02 Thread omd
On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Thu, 2014-08-28 at 17:40 -0400, Tanner Swett wrote: + The Assessor currently seems to have no report; this is the date that e most recently resolved a proposal. The Scorekeepor also has no report, because we undefined

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: [Registrar] Corrected Registrar's Report

2014-09-02 Thread omd
On Sun, Aug 31, 2014 at 7:20 PM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: Quite some time ago, it seems. I read the FLR at http://agora.qoid.us/current_flr.txt, but there hasn't been an official publication this year if I read the archives right. I published one two or three days ago.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal 7692: Vote Fix

2014-09-02 Thread omd
On Tue, Sep 2, 2014 at 7:04 PM, Luis Ressel ara...@aixah.de wrote: At first, all players request Basic Discount, A Personalised Shopping Experience, and Half-Hearted Attempt At A Win. These have redeem costs of -1, 0 and 2, respectively. That means only total redeem costs of -1, 0, 1 or 2 are

DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] Slightly Late Full Logical Ruleset

2014-08-31 Thread omd
(I'm not up to date on the discussion threads, but H. ais523, please note that the RCS log linked in the header provides a comprehensive/continuous log of past rulesets and should be preferred to grabbing SLRs from email archives. Honestly, I think the lack of published rulesets has mostly been

DIS: Re: BUS: A pact

2014-08-31 Thread omd
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 12:22 AM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I will commit to holding exactly one office, of Agora's choice, and to completing its duties on time, provided that all other offices are held and the duties completed on time. So, for about a week? ;p

DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] This Week's Penalties

2014-08-24 Thread omd
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 12:15 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: omd, you have to publish the Rulekeepor report today (is it on a cron job, btw?) It ought to be. Sadly, it's not.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: long way around, with added legalese

2014-08-04 Thread omd
On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:45 PM, Tanner Swett swe...@mail.gvsu.edu wrote: I don't know of any reason that the Rule 1728 meaning of without objection nullifies the ordinary-language meaning of Rule 2202. Rule 1728 states that a rule allowing something without objection thereby allows it by

DIS: Re: BUS: long way around, with added legalese

2014-07-29 Thread omd
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: The intent to ratify the statement in question is enabled by R2202: Any player CAN, without objection, ratify a public document, specifying its scope. ... R2152 reads in part: 5. CAN: Attempts

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7688 and 7689

2014-07-29 Thread omd
On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 11:14 PM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com wrote: During the nomination period of an election, each candidate CAN What is a candidate? Candidate - a person who applies for a job or is nominated for election. This would be rather vague for something which is

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3425 assigned to G.

2014-07-27 Thread omd
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 5:25 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: If anyone has a clue of what CFJ numbers this previously came up under, this judge would be grateful for the information! -G. This one's vaguely related: http://cfj.qoid.us/1444 I can't find anything else.

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Office Salary

2014-07-25 Thread omd
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 11:16 AM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com wrote: During the nomination period of an election, each candidate CAN set their proposed salary, a possible value of the office's salary switch, by announcement. If they fail to do so before the end of

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Scorekeepor] Score Calculation?

2014-07-25 Thread omd
On Fri, Jul 25, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: In re-reading relevant rules, I'm reasonably sure your interpretation in this CFJ was correct. Since I was the only disputant (and the only other commenter on the case agreed with you) would you like to withdraw the

DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Scorekeepor] Score Calculation?

2014-07-24 Thread omd
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:28 PM, omd c.ome...@gmail.com wrote: TOTAL OF SOURCES (current holdings) omd 345 scshunt 287 Henri 186 G. 172 Tiger 55 Sprocklem 44 Roujo 44 woggle 11 ais523 8 Murphy 5 Thus I believe I'm in the lead, not G. The question is what the Goal is. My CFJ about

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Deputy Scorekeepor] Score Calculation?

2014-07-24 Thread omd
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com wrote: Arbitor - G. Ass - omd Herald - G. (18 Jun); scshunt IADoP - Henri (12 Jul); omd GNP - Henri (13 Jul) Ahem, I am the *Minister* of GNP. Not to be an Ass, but I'm abbreviating :)

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Voting Results for Proposal 7682

2014-07-23 Thread omd
On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: My client lists the Date: timestamp as ? and the Received timestamp as Tue, 15 Jul 2014 11:05:44 +0100. So I thought my vote was on time. We're talking about OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 7682, right? It appears to

DIS: [Not Arbitor] cfj.qoid.us updated

2014-07-23 Thread omd
After leaving it out of date for a few months, I semi-manually added CFJs 3407-3422 to my CFJ database, so it should now be up to date: http://cfj.qoid.us Source data: https://github.com/comex/agora-cfjs Source code: https://github.com/comex/agora-infra/tree/master/iw (and

DIS: Re: BUS: a bold assertion

2014-07-23 Thread omd
On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 1:22 AM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: I have a score at least equal to the goal, and at least as much score as any other player, so I claim victory, naming myself only. -G. [citation needed]

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: A More Appropriate Punishment

2014-06-25 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 9:03 PM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com wrote: [Current punishment is to lax. In the current state, all one needs to do after recieving a Red Card is to write a 200 word apology which can be done in a matter of minutes. Honestly, I was assigned a Red Card and after

DIS: today's list outage is over

2014-06-21 Thread omd
need to remember to check whether my changes actually work before dropping attention. again. sorry, the one person(?) who tried to send mail today. - obtuse minor delinquent

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial Case: The Three Crimes of Promotor Scshunt

2014-06-19 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 2:40 PM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com wrote: S T A T E M E N T - Scshunt, the Promotor, for violating Rule 1607 (Distribution) for violating Rule 2143 (Official Reports and Duties), and for

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial Case: The Three Crimes of Promotor Scshunt

2014-06-19 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com wrote: omd says: As stated in Rule 1023, Agoran weeks begin on Mondays, not Tuesdays. That is entirely ambiguous. Midnight Monday is not defined in the ruleset to be 00:00 or 24:00. I do not believe it has ever been

DIS: Re: BUS: Judicial Case: Midnight Ambiguity

2014-06-19 Thread omd
On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 5:06 PM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com wrote: Conventionally, when one refers to midnight Monday, what would first come to mind is the midnight during the night of Monday, not Midnight during the morning of Monday. For example, when one asks another to meet

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3406 cleanup

2014-06-18 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 2:50 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Can't find it... a message still missing from my mailbox from previous fora issues maybe? -G. 3406: http://www.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2014-May/032923.html (also sent to backup) 3408:

DIS: Re: BUS: Mass Deregistration

2014-06-18 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: H. former Arbitor omd: Did the following CFJ from Yally ever get assigned? This is something else I can't locate. Oi... I'm a really bad officer, aren't I. No, I don't believe so.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Voting Results for More Elections (other than IADoP)

2014-06-18 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 5:48 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Outcome: Henri (but I don't resolve it, because I see a potential opportunity to make up for my failure to actually vote on a decision that's important to me :P) I vote Henri. :P The voting period has already ended,

DIS: Re: BUS: Officering

2014-06-17 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 4:24 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: - Card ODR-300(rev. A), naming an office held by the player, intended for persistent failures to act as the Officer SHALL or SHOULD by virtue of holding that office. This should probably

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals, 7643-7648, 7650-7651, 7653-7668, 7649, 7652

2014-06-17 Thread omd
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 10:20 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: ID: 7644 Title: Make the Birthday Holiday line up with Agora XXI Author: Yally Adoption Index: 1 Amend the text in Rule 1769 (Holidays) reading: The week that contains the beginning of Agora's Birthday,

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals, 7670-7675

2014-06-17 Thread omd
On Tue, Jun 17, 2014 at 10:37 PM, Sean Hunt scsh...@csclub.uwaterloo.ca wrote: I could, yes. How many times have you pointed this out? I think the issue is that you omitted two of eir proposals. - obvious memo duplicator

Re: DIS: Secured

2014-06-13 Thread omd
Nice catch. Relevant history entry: Power changed from 2 to 3 by Proposal 7610 (G.), 22 December 2013 Regarding the current roster, I believe the Registrar's Report of 4 June has self-ratified; it was the first to be published after my proposal to make switch reports self-ratifying.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: The Director of Personnel

2014-06-11 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 12:54 PM, Jonathan Rouillard jonathan.rouill...@gmail.com wrote: P.S: Oh, and AGAINST, by the way. I don't see why that would be needed. All it does is getting rid of Yet Another Fun, Quirky Thing From Agora, and unless I've missed some conversation somewhere, I didn't

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Offices and Elections

2014-06-07 Thread omd
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com wrote: CoE: Your name is omd. Denied. No entity, including Agora, has formally blessed omd as my name. The government of the United States has so blessed Nicholas, but Agoran tradition does not delegate the definition of name

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Identification

2014-06-07 Thread omd
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Henri Bouchard henrib...@gmail.com wrote: Proposal: Identification The present identification rule is annoying enough without having to be mean about it. - offering marked displeasure

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Identification

2014-06-07 Thread omd
inadvertently help the current version pass!). In any case, IMHO, it would be nice if you had included comments / invited discussion at the beginning rather than letting it pass by chaos. By the way, if you didn't spend time thinking up clever omd acronyms, you wouldn't be quite as annoyed. Peh

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