Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-07 Thread Edward Murphy via agora-discussion
nix wrote: On 5/1/23 15:05, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: When you do a job manually for a while, you start to use shortcuts, get faster, streamline, then maybe join a couple of steps using a bit of code… there’s really no sharp line between “automation” and plain old “experience” -

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-02 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 10:28 AM nix via agora-business wrote: > If an officer specified a Delegate when taking a Vacation, and the > Delegate has publicly consented, then the Delegate can act as if e > is the holder of the Office while the officer is On Vacation. I'm still against

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-02 Thread juan via agora-discussion
Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion [2023-05-01 11:46]: > Maybe making the delegation subject to a public volunteer process - so it’s > treated differently if more than one person want the job, so the > hand-picking potential is more limited? I suggest we treat this the same way as the list of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:46, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > While I was supportive of the delegation idea on discord, I’m coming around > to Yachay’s position. I’ve “taken breaks” from arbitor regularly - snail > and Jason both did the job for a bit last year - but when it was > technically

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 15:05, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > When you do a job manually for a while, you start to use shortcuts, get > faster, streamline, then maybe join a couple of steps using a bit of code… > there’s really no sharp line between “automation” and plain old > “experience” - the two

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 12:37 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/1/23 14:36, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > Ideally, I think, everything is doable with automation. In practice tho, > > I'm not sure what that looks like. > > Crucial typo. I think

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:49, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > I was actually about to post the same thing about #2 in an election getting > the bench lol. It seems like the most effort-economic way to do it. > > And yeah, I think it could work as per-office. I'd prefer just trusting the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:18, Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion wrote: > The other part of this is: Janet is Rulekeepor purely because no one has > bothered to try to take the position properly. The Elections are meant to > encourage shakeups, but without sufficient platforms for change, then we > shalln't

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Janet Cobb via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 13:28, nix via agora-business wrote: > An officer is On Vacation from a specified office if e has taken a > Vacation from that office in the last 30 days. The ADoP SHALL > include which officers are On Vacation in weekly report. Could just say that the set of officers on

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Hrm, now that you mention it I think that would be better, yeah. On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 9:38 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On 5/1/23 14:36, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > > Ideally, I think, everything is doable with automation. In practice tho, > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:36, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > Ideally, I think, everything is doable with automation. In practice tho, > I'm not sure what that looks like. Crucial typo. I think ideally everything is doable *without* automation. -- nix Prime Minister, Herald

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:28, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Oh, I see now, that's very good. > > Hm. I wonder if there was a way to make offices significantly easier so > that we didn't need to rely on these things or the apparent elitism that > some offices require. This will be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Oh, I see now, that's very good. Hm. I wonder if there was a way to make offices significantly easier so that we didn't need to rely on these things or the apparent elitism that some offices require. But besides resorting to just having everyone play on Google Sheets in parallel to the regular

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 14:04, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > That seems to alludes that officers prefer to keep their tools to > themselves or they don't design them to be easily shared in the first > place, which I don't think is the best practice for Agora overall. > > Maybe we can encourage

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
That seems to alludes that officers prefer to keep their tools to themselves or they don't design them to be easily shared in the first place, which I don't think is the best practice for Agora overall. Maybe we can encourage officers to make/use public tools and tutorials that anyone can

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 13:49, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > I was actually about to post the same thing about #2 in an election getting > the bench lol. It seems like the most effort-economic way to do it. > > And yeah, I think it could work as per-office. My main concern is still the time

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I was actually about to post the same thing about #2 in an election getting the bench lol. It seems like the most effort-economic way to do it. And yeah, I think it could work as per-office. On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:45 PM nix via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
While I was supportive of the delegation idea on discord, I’m coming around to Yachay’s position. I’ve “taken breaks” from arbitor regularly - snail and Jason both did the job for a bit last year - but when it was technically resigning without the expectation of getting the job back I think it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 13:38, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > Perhaps a "bench" system like in team sports, where there is a main > officer, but if they can't do their roles, or want to take a vacation, the > person on the bench takes the spot until they come back. > > The bench positions are

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Perhaps a "bench" system like in team sports, where there is a main officer, but if they can't do their roles, or want to take a vacation, the person on the bench takes the spot until they come back. The bench positions are elected or otherwise offered to everyone equally somehow. On Mon, May 1,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
Well... I'd like to see Janet take a break and we'll find out how this process works anyways. It's all part of perfecting these processes I don't imagine anyone would willingly volunteer to be a delegate, considering that few even opted to become candidates in the recent elections. On Mon,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 13:32, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > I'm not sure if my main point is coming across that the problem would be > the "dynasty" thing, where the veteran gets to hand-pick themselves how the > office continues rather than having a process that is more impartial. Oh I see.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I'm not sure if my main point is coming across that the problem would be the "dynasty" thing, where the veteran gets to hand-pick themselves how the office continues rather than having a process that is more impartial. On Mon, May 1, 2023 at 8:24 PM nix via agora-discussion <

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 13:20, nix via agora-discussion wrote: > On 5/1/23 12:59, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: >> I'm sure that this is well-intended but I feel like this strongly >> encourages "dynasties" of officers where the veterans are de facto heads of >> who will get the privilege of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread nix via agora-discussion
On 5/1/23 12:59, Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion wrote: > I'm sure that this is well-intended but I feel like this strongly > encourages "dynasties" of officers where the veterans are de facto heads of > who will get the privilege of choose who get to be the next Delegate or > not. Having

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Forest Sweeney via agora-discussion
It's actually the opposite: right now we HAVE dynasties of players who just have had these roles forever, and they've never taken a break. Encouraging them to take a break, and specifying a different player, forces more change-ups than we have currently, because we trust so much currently in the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
Wow, I did some major word soup there, I hope my point came across anyways lol On Monday, May 1, 2023, Yachay Wayllukuq wrote: > I'm sure that this is well-intended but I feel like this strongly > encourages "dynasties" of officers where the veterans are de facto heads of > who will get the

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Delegation

2023-05-01 Thread Yachay Wayllukuq via agora-discussion
I'm sure that this is well-intended but I feel like this strongly encourages "dynasties" of officers where the veterans are de facto heads of who will get the privilege of choose who get to be the next Delegate or not. Having been Delegate seem like major boon to have towards actually getting the