Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-17 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/16/2020 6:42 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 21:39, Alexis Hunt wrote: > > maybe argue that > we should eliminate actions done other than by announcement I would like to keep (and in fact use more of) the "Notice" mechanism - I think it's convenient in

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-17 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-discussion
ais523 wrote: > This strikes me as an almost identical situation to a rule stating that > a player CAN perform a given action, but not specifying a mechanism to > do so. I'm not up to date with our existing precedents on that, > though. I'm not altogether sure that it is, actually. R2545 says:

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 7:18 PM AIS523--- via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 19:07 -0800, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion > wrote: > > You're half right. Regulated actions have been around forever, but > > after I ruled in my manifestly terrible opinion (TBH, a frustratingly

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread AIS523--- via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 19:07 -0800, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > You're half right. Regulated actions have been around forever, but > after I ruled in my manifestly terrible opinion (TBH, a frustratingly > large portion of my opinions have been manifestly terrible) in CFJ > 3557 that

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 16, 2020 at 6:45 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/16/20 9:39 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 19:38, AIS523--- via agora-discussion < > > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > > >> On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 15:05 -0800, Kerim

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 21:45, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I think I remember hearing that the concept of regulated actions was > created because a judge ruled the other way - the Rules say that someone > "CAN" do it (even if not providing a method),

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/16/20 9:39 PM, Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 19:38, AIS523--- via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 15:05 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >>> Now here we are a third time. Whatever we

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 21:39, Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 19:38, AIS523--- via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 15:05 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion >> wrote: >> > Now here we are a third time. Whatever we can say

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Thu, 16 Jan 2020 at 19:38, AIS523--- via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 15:05 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > Now here we are a third time. Whatever we can say about CFJ 3694, > > the judgement is suitably unintuitive

Re: Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread AIS523--- via agora-discussion
On Thu, 2020-01-16 at 15:05 -0800, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote: > Now here we are a third time. Whatever we can say about CFJ 3694, > the judgement is suitably unintuitive such that almost no one reading > the rules without this precedent/context thinks that zombie auctions > actually

Fwd: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2020-01-16 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
Heh. Deja vu all over again. So this whole issue was brought up in Jan 2019, and resulted in CFJs 3693-3694. The Judge's full arguments (below) appeared only in discussion, and there was a big thread (referenced below). The judge of CFJ 3694 found that zombie auctions worked, but it was quite,