Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-23 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: I would disagree with Zefram's choice, and follow the old regulation governing amendments, As I noted, that too would result in a clash. The old definition was the number of times that a rule with that number has been amended.

DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: contracts - rules

2007-03-23 Thread Michael Slone
On 3/23/07, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Agoran Contracts, as defined by R2109, are indistinguishable from rules, except that they are tracked separately from the ruleset. It's a completely redundant mechanism. The above proposal converts the sole existing Agoran Contract into a rule and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: contracts - rules

2007-03-23 Thread Zefram
Michael Slone wrote: How are Agoran Contracts indistinguishable from rules? The essential features of both are that they bind all players and can only be created and amended by proposals. Anything that can be done with an Agoran Contract can be done equivalently with a rule. In any case, this

DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: contracts - rules

2007-03-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
Zefram wrote: (Agoran Contracts, as defined by R2109, are indistinguishable from rules, except that they are tracked separately from the ruleset. It's a completely redundant mechanism. The above proposal converts the sole existing Agoran Contract into a rule and deletes the mechanism.) In

DIS: re: BUS: proposal: bootstrapped enough

2007-03-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
Zefram wrote: rule 104 is hereby repealed. I wish you the best of luck, sir. -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: contracts - rules

2007-03-23 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: In the current ruleset it looks redundant. It's there for whenever we play subgames, e.g. have money, land, points and scoring rules, If a subgame automatically involves all players then I reckon that's not very sub. Subgames in which participation is optional can be dealt

DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: contracts - rules

2007-03-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
Zefram wrote: If a subgame automatically involves all players then I reckon that's not very sub. Subgames in which participation is optional can be dealt with by contracts, of course. It's sub in the sense that it's a reasonble modular and separable part of the game, but integral to

DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
Zefram wrote: As I noted, that too would result in a clash. The old definition was the number of times that a rule with that number has been amended. Repealing a rule and then creating a new one with the same number doesn't involve any amendment, so the process ends with the same amendment

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: I'd suggest the following record for R105: History: Initial Immutable Rule 105, Jun. 30 1993 Mutated from MI=Unanimity to MI=3 by Proposal 1072, Oct. 4 1994 Amended by Proposal 1275, Oct. 24 1994 Renumbered from 1072 to 105 by Rule 1295, Nov. 1 1994 Amended(1) by Proposal 3445

DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: reorientation

2007-03-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: H. Promotor, I hereby submit the following proposal, entitled reorientation: --- Amend rule 889 (The Clerk of the Courts) by deleting the text The CotC's Bi-Weekly Report shall include the following: (i) Each Player's Orientation. --- (Orientation isn't defined

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-23 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: Remember that at the instant the new 105 was created, amending had no definition in the ruleset (having been repealed the instant before) Not true. The new 105 was created (as 2131) under the auspices of the old 105. When the new 105 was modified, that was

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: reorientation

2007-03-23 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: But the concept (whether a player is turned or unturned) does still exist, so the paragraph should be amended to refer to it properly. Ah, I didn't realise that that was what it was about. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: proposal: contracts - rules

2007-03-23 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: The database I'm working on in FLR format Ah, cool. Please show me (privately) a sample of your data. I'd like to see how to fit it together with what I'm doing. -zefram

DIS: Re: OFF: Rulekeepor's notes for Proposals 4893-4903

2007-03-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
Zefram wrote: This did not cause any rule to acquire a number previously used by a different rule, which is what's going on here. It suddenly occurs to me that this unique precedent gives us two entities with the same name and/or nickname by R1586 (self- reference alert: is a Rule a

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Voting Limits

2007-03-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Zefram wrote: Benjamin Schultz wrote: Zefram 1 1 0 I should have a VC for delivering judgement, and I expect several other players should too. Since 2007-01-22, R2126 includes: A player who submits a judgement during eir Deliberation Period gains one VC. A

DIS: eligibility question

2007-03-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
It is not clear to me if eligibility in terms of Appeals judges includes turning: As soon as possible after an Appellate Judge is recused, the Clerk of the Courts shall randomly select an eligible Player to replace em. clause (iv) of R911: iv) E is ineligible to Judge the CFJ

Re: DIS: eligibility question

2007-03-23 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: It is not clear to me if eligibility in terms of Appeals judges includes turning: As soon as possible after an Appellate Judge is recused, the Clerk of the Courts shall randomly select an eligible Player to replace em. clause (iv) of R911: iv) E is ineligible to

Re: DIS: BUS: judicial activity overdue

2007-03-23 Thread Zefram
Kerim Aydin wrote: Can you point me to these motions? -Goethe |Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: BUS: Re: OFF: Corrections and dismissals |Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2007 16:07:37 + |... |So let's try out another loophole: I hereby submit a Motion on CFJ 1610 |to Judge it FALSE. I also hereby