The Treasuror is required to keep records of coins, but not every day or
minute. E breaks the rules only if e hasn’t updated the records weekly in a
report.
Cuddle Beam has no required report for the information for which e has pledged
to be recordkeepor. So maybe there is no violation for
But the Treasuror doesn't hold eir office via pledge.
CuddleBeam can't have it both ways. If e makes a pledge with the
expectation that the pledge's responsibilities grant em some legal
privilege, and e is accused of breaking the responsibilities of
the pledge, standards of proof are
Also, I believe the appropriate judgement for the CFJ would be DISMISS, since
it refers to an action that you did not take, whether or not it would have been
EFFECTIVE. (You did not attempt to transfer coins from the contract to
yourself; you attempted to _cause the contract_ to transfer coins
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 2:29 PM, D Margaux wrote:
> I cause the contract between me and G entitled the First Bank of Agora to
> transfer to me a number of coins equal to the number of coins that I have
> previously transferred to that contract.
By what rule-defined mechanism do you cause the
Fine, fine, I'll reveal the secret to my greatness.
My tracking device for everything, is everything itself (with each
individual thing being the tracking device for itself). It's automatic and
doesn't require any maintenance - it pretty much does it all for free. I
guess you can see now why I've
I think my vote on 8081 was also conditional, unless I did it wrong. I
wrote in the Bank of Agora email:
>If my attempt to transfer coins to the contract
>between me and G. was INEFFECTIVE, then I
>change my vote and cause nichdel to
>change eir vote on 8081B* to FOR.
But maybe I messed up the
That reply was in response to D. Margaux's similar CoE, not yours. I properly
responded to your CoE by citing the appropriate CFJ.
-twg
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On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 6:29 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
>
> > It's not a
It's not a conditional _vote_, it's a conditional _action to change the vote_.
You still submitted an unconditional vote; it's just that the content of your
vote is, er, conditional on something else.
-twg
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 6:01 PM, D Margaux wrote:
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
> I reject your CoE; my report contains the line "The First Bank of Agora
> currently possesses 1006 coins."
Oh, sorry! Missed it way down there.
G.— Twg was referring to my conditional, not yours.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 2:31 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
> > It's not a conditional _vote_, it's a conditional _action to change
> > the vote_. You still submitted an unconditional vote; it's just
Thanks both! Sorry, lots of messages crossing in the ether with the
parts being replied to hidden.
(D. Margaux, if we have any more CoEing or CFJing let's coordinate
privately first :) )
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, D Margaux wrote:
> G.— Twg was referring to my conditional, not yours.
>
>
> On
I respond to your CoE by citing the CFJ inquiring into the statement "G.’s
attempt in the message quoted below to transfer coins to the contract between
em and D. Margaux is EFFECTIVE."
-twg
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On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 5:54 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> I CoE
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
> It's not a conditional _vote_, it's a conditional _action to change
> the vote_. You still submitted an unconditional vote; it's just that
> the content of your vote is, er, conditional on something else.
How on earth do you come up with that
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, D Margaux wrote:
> This may be an oversight in the rules, since it seems to let technical
> deadline violations be punished but not if the deadline was unmet for long
> enough.
Last time I was referee, I meant to change it so the 14-day deadline
was for the finger-point,
There's also the issue that the Pledge must've been done in the first
place, which it might not have, because of the Ossification thing you
brought up yourself earlier.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 6:44 PM Cuddle Beam wrote:
> Fine, fine, I'll reveal the secret to my greatness.
>
> My tracking device
As of the date of the finger point below, it had already been two weeks
after the time has expired for murphy to name a new judge in 3661. As a
result, arguably any fine for the finger point would be ineffective,
because the deadline had passed 14+ days prior.
Murphy’s obligation to name a new
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 2, 2018 2:29 PM, D Margaux wrote:
> > I cause the contract between me and G entitled the First Bank of Agora to
> > transfer to me a number of coins equal to the number of coins that I have
> > previously transferred to that
True. Thanks for reminding me. I think that’s probably the right
outcome—that the pledge was ineffective because it would otherwise result
in ossification. This may spare you from a very severe blotting! :-)
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 3:17 PM Cuddle Beam wrote:
> There's also the issue that the
I favor this CFJ.
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 6:52 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> And now for something completely different - the Herald doesn't know
> what to do here so e's going to delay eir responsibility:
>
> CFJ: At least one person won the game as a result proposal 8097
> taking effect.
>
>
>
Oh crap. Yes, you're right, I think - hadn't realised it before. That's
incredibly confusing (though still, I think, unlikely to happen).
OK, please nobody do anything major with coins until these CFJs are judged,
otherwise we may end up with a horrible divergence.
On the plus side, both the
But just to clarify—if the CFJs find that G and i couldn’t transfer to the
contract, then I think both of our votes (and our zombies’ votes) flip, causing
the Point Installation Act to pass. Or is there some reason that wouldn’t occur
in that situation?
> On Oct 2, 2018, at 2:33 PM, Timon
On Tue, 2018-10-02 at 19:58 -0400, D Margaux wrote:
> LOL. The Bank of Agora has caused quite a mess. The first Agoran
> financial crisis, perhaps?
"First Bank of Agora" is a pretty misleading name. There have been many
Banks of Agora in the past.
Many of these have been scammed, too. I once
Official Statement
We wish to note that CuddleBeam has done immense harm to the game as a
whole by frivolously clogging our judicial system and confusing our
officers of state. Even more seriously, e has committed an infinite
number of premeditated violations. E has failed to track everything
from
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
> OK, please nobody do anything major with coins until these CFJs
> are judged, otherwise we may end up with a horrible divergence.
Well, I'm required to start a zombie auction this week, and it's not
a divergence yet (if it turns out the votes
Haha, amazing. What a ridiculous game. :-)
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 8:01 PM Aris Merchant <
thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Oh no. Maybe the 30th or something. We usually have have a few each year.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 4:58 PM D Margaux wrote:
>
> > LOL. The Bank of
Oh no. Maybe the 30th or something. We usually have have a few each year.
-Aris
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 4:58 PM D Margaux wrote:
> LOL. The Bank of Agora has caused quite a mess. The first Agoran financial
> crisis, perhaps?
>
> On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 7:52 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
LOL. The Bank of Agora has caused quite a mess. The first Agoran financial
crisis, perhaps?
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 7:52 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:
> > OK, please nobody do anything major with coins until these CFJs
> > are judged, otherwise we may
No one said anything about CuddleBeam's report being self ratifying.
Also, CuddleBeam, the same very strong custom which says that a
recordkeepor tracks something indicates that they have to report on it
somehow, either by request or in a regular report. Someone with more
expirence can correct me
It's not an explicit formal obligation anywhere right now as far as I'm
aware, but feel free to CFJ it to confirm that I actually have to.
On a more very super duper important note: It's recordKEEPor, not
recordGIVEor - my records of all existence are mine, mine!!!
On Tue, Oct 2, 2018 at 8:06 AM
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> Ok don't freak out now, but you have exactly $8,008,135 by the way.
y'know, I think I'm just going to let that one self-ratify.
I agree. You are not required to show what you are tracking as part of
your pledge. However, if I allege (via finger-pointing) that you have
failed in your task, the Referee is required to make a finding of fact
on whether you are indeed doing the tracking.
So I have alleged that you have
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, Alex Smith wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-10-02 at 07:43 +0200, Cuddle Beam wrote:
> > Ok don't freak out now, but you have exactly $8,008,135 by the way.
>
> Do we have to CoE this to stop it self-ratifying? Or can we ratify an
> Agoran legal fiction that G. has that much? Would an
Actually, if real-world currencies are mapped via contract to being
Agoran currencies, there *IS* a reporting requirement:
The recordkeepor of a class of assets is the entity (if any)
defined as such by, and bound by, its backing document. That
entity's report includes a
On Tue, 2018-10-02 at 03:04 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> Actually, if real-world currencies are mapped via contract to being
> Agoran currencies, there *IS* a reporting requirement:
>The recordkeepor of a class of assets is the entity (if any)
>defined as such by, and bound by,
On Tue, 2 Oct 2018, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote:
> On Tue, 2018-10-02 at 03:04 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> >
> > Actually, if real-world currencies are mapped via contract to being
> > Agoran currencies, there *IS* a reporting requirement:
> >The recordkeepor of a class of assets is
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