Re: DIS: jobs

2019-10-26 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Saturday, October 26, 2019 3:19 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > I would be happy to take it on if I can get Trigon's code working. which reminds me, can someone add me to the GitHub org? My username is @qenya. -twg

Re: DIS: Re: [Herald] Weekly Report

2019-10-26 Thread Nch
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:10 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On 10/26/2019 7:46 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > 00 nch > > > -1 Hālian > > So, we recently made the quarterly karma balancing automatic instead of > manual (last paragraph of R2510). > > Then,

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-26 Thread Gaelan Steele
To be honest, I’m not sure I see the point. In my experience interim incumbents nearly always win elections, and most modern Agoran offices have very little power anyway. All I really see this doing is punishing those who take up work that’s not being done. Gaelan > On Oct 26, 2019, at 5:43

Re: DIS: jobs

2019-10-26 Thread Nch
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:19 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > On Saturday, October 26, 2019 1:39 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@uw.edu wrote: > > > [of course what we really need is a rulekeepor :) ] > > I would be happy to take it on if I can get Trigon's code

Re: DIS: Re: [Herald] Weekly Report

2019-10-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 10/26/2019 8:20 AM, Nch wrote: ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:10 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 10/26/2019 7:46 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: 00 nch -1 Hālian So, we recently made the quarterly karma balancing automatic instead of manual (last

Re: DIS: jobs

2019-10-26 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Sat, 2019-10-26 at 16:23 +, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > It's not just you who isn't receiving it. I'm not receiving Nch's > mail either. > > Nch, could you send an email directly to my mailserver at > ? That might help to debug whatever issues > are going wrong with the mail

Re: DIS: jobs

2019-10-26 Thread Gaelan Steele
I seem to recall that manually typing “BUS:” before message subjects prevents the mailing list from changing messages at all, solving some of these issues. Gaelan > On Oct 26, 2019, at 9:55 AM, "ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk" > wrote: > > On Sat, 2019-10-26 at 16:23 +,

DIS: Re: [Herald] Weekly Report

2019-10-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 10/26/2019 7:46 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: 00 nch > -1 Hālian So, we recently made the quarterly karma balancing automatic instead of manual (last paragraph of R2510). Then, when I did the Oct 6 report, I forgot about it. That has since ratified. So nch and Hālian both had their

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-26 Thread Nch
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:22 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > To be honest, I’m not sure I see the point. In my experience interim > incumbents nearly always win elections, and most modern Agoran offices have > very little power anyway. All I really see this

Re: DIS: jobs

2019-10-26 Thread Gaelan Steele
I could set up a mail rule to forward you everything from *@protonmail.com to the Agora lists. Depending on how that forwarding works, it might get past the filter. Gaelan > On Oct 26, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > On Saturday, October 26, 2019 3:22 PM, Nch wrote: >> I'm

Re: DIS: jobs

2019-10-26 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Sat, 2019-10-26 at 15:36 +, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > On Saturday, October 26, 2019 3:22 PM, Nch > wrote: > > I'm ccing you here, so let me know if you get this one. I suspect > > your spam filter doesn't like *@protonmail and you need to add an > > exception. (Someone might want to quote

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3775 Assigned to Falsifian

2019-10-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 10/26/2019 9:33 AM, James Cook wrote: > The first two simply use the word "all". Since the natural definition > of "ruleset" is the set of Agora's rules, meaning all of them, I find > that R1051's text "The Rulekeepor's Weekly report includes the Short > Logical Ruleset." is just as

Re: DIS: jobs

2019-10-26 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Saturday, October 26, 2019 1:39 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > [of course what we really need is a rulekeepor :) ] I would be happy to take it on if I can get Trigon's code working. Referee has been a bit dull recently because everyone is being boring and obeying the rules. (also, ftr, I'm still

Re: DIS: jobs

2019-10-26 Thread Gaelan Steele
I am also considering taking up the role, but I’m happy to leave it to you. Or we could set up some sort of contract (grumbles about having to study up on Agoran contract law these days) to share the workload? Gaelan > On Oct 26, 2019, at 8:19 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > > On Saturday,

Re: DIS: jobs

2019-10-26 Thread Nch
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:25 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > Or we could set up some sort of contract (grumbles about having to study up > on Agoran contract law these days) to share the workload? I really need to (find,) finish and submit my Agoran

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 10/26/2019 8:28 AM, Nch wrote: ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, October 26, 2019 10:22 AM, Gaelan Steele wrote: To be honest, I’m not sure I see the point. In my experience interim incumbents nearly always win elections, and most modern Agoran offices have very little

Re: DIS: jobs

2019-10-26 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Saturday, October 26, 2019 3:22 PM, Nch wrote: > I'm ccing you here, so let me know if you get this one. I suspect your spam > filter doesn't like *@protonmail and you need to add an exception. (Someone > might want to quote this back on AD for em in case it doesn't make it > through.)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3775 Assigned to Falsifian

2019-10-26 Thread James Cook
On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 at 07:38, Kerim Aydin wrote: > I recuse Trigon from CFJ 3775. I assign CFJ 3775 to Falsifian. > > status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3775 > > === CFJ 3775 === > >Ratifying the SLR also

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3775 Assigned to Falsifian

2019-10-26 Thread James Cook
On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 16:53, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 10/26/2019 9:33 AM, James Cook wrote: > > The first two simply use the word "all". Since the natural definition > > of "ruleset" is the set of Agora's rules, meaning all of them, I find > > that R1051's text "The Rulekeepor's Weekly report

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3775 Assigned to Falsifian

2019-10-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 10/26/2019 10:03 AM, James Cook wrote: I think it would be good to have a separate CFJ, even if it ends up mostly referencing mine. My quotes of R1607 and R2166 have the world "all" in them, and I argued that "all" is part of the meaning of "ruleset" too. Since this is "Patent Titles",

DIS: A Small test (ATTN twg, ais)

2019-10-26 Thread Nch
Let me know if this gets through. --- Nch

DIS: jobs

2019-10-26 Thread Kerim Aydin
nch wrote: > ...and reduce consolidation. As we are picking up again, I'd be more than happy for someone else to be Tailor. Same for Herald, tho I'd like to clear up the current report ratification first, and and I'd ask that any takers be *really* keen on promoting herald stuff (through

Re: DIS: jobs

2019-10-26 Thread Nch
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, October 26, 2019 8:39 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > nch wrote: > > > ...and reduce consolidation. > > As we are picking up again, I'd be more than happy for someone > else to be Tailor. > > Same for Herald, tho I'd like to clear up the current report

Re: DIS: Proto: Interesting Chambers v2

2019-10-26 Thread James Cook
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 at 12:04, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > on my phone so can't provide detailed arguments (and sorry for the execrable > mess it will undoubtedly produce of the reply chain), but I would argue that > the entity defining switches, assets etc. is not any one rule, but rather the >

DIS: Another small test (attn ais523 and twg)

2019-10-26 Thread nch
This was sent using a method ais523 concocted. Let's see if it goes through.

DIS: [Promotor] New Draft

2019-10-26 Thread Aris Merchant
Here's another draft. Again, my apologies for the delay. Any further proposals will not be included in this week's report. Additionally, remember my note that P8265 is deliberately hard to find in the full list, but is in there. -Aris -- I hereby distribute each listed proposal, initiating the

Re: DIS: [Promotor] New Draft

2019-10-26 Thread Jason Cobb
On 10/26/19 7:36 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: ID: 8259 Title: Clean up your own mess, without making a bigger one Adoption index: 1.0 Author: Jason Cobb Co-authors: This is Gaelan's proposal, but I am a coauthor. -- Jason Cobb

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-26 Thread James Cook
On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 15:23, Gaelan Steele wrote: > To be honest, I’m not sure I see the point. In my experience interim > incumbents nearly always win elections, and most modern Agoran offices have > very little power anyway. All I really see this doing is punishing those who > take up work

DIS: ATTN omd / Distributor (was Re: jobs)

2019-10-26 Thread James Cook
On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 16:55, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > On Sat, 2019-10-26 at 16:23 +, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > > It's not just you who isn't receiving it. I'm not receiving Nch's > > mail either. > > > > Nch, could you send an email directly to my mailserver at > > ? That

Re: DIS: [Promotor] New Draft

2019-10-26 Thread Timon Walshe-Grey
On Saturday, October 26, 2019 11:36 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > 8654 nch 1.0 [2] I think you typoed the ID here - the full list gives it as 8264. > 8265 twg, Murphy, Aris3.0 [3] Jason Cobb is a co-author to 8265 as well. Also I find your obfuscation far

Re: DIS: jobs

2019-10-26 Thread James Cook
On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 15:21, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote: > On Saturday, October 26, 2019 3:19 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey > wrote: > > I would be happy to take it on if I can get Trigon's code working. > > which reminds me, can someone add me to the GitHub org? My username is @qenya. > > -twg For the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-26 Thread Gaelan Steele
I’ve had a proposal for an alternative “duty” (name TBD) bouncing around for a while. It goes something like this: * Most offices (basically, all but the imposed ones and the ones that handle secret information) get replaced with “duties.” * Anyone can fulfill a duty (i.e. publish the report,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-26 Thread Jason Cobb
On 10/26/19 8:53 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: TL;DR: No “officeholders”; anyone can do a job if it hasn’t been done yet that {week,month}. They get paid for doing so, and get paid more if they’ve been doing it consistently or if it’s been overdue for a while. This is an interesting idea - but I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-26 Thread Nch
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, October 26, 2019 7:53 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote: > > TL;DR: No “officeholders”; anyone can do a job if it hasn’t been done yet > that {week,month}. They get paid for doing so, and get paid more if they’ve > been doing it consistently or if it’s

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-26 Thread Nch
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, October 26, 2019 7:31 PM, James Cook wrote: > On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 15:23, Gaelan Steele g...@canishe.com wrote: > > > To be honest, I’m not sure I see the point. In my experience interim > > incumbents nearly always win elections, and most modern

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-26 Thread Aris Merchant
This has been proposed before, IIRC, and consensus is against it for two reasons (it’s possible I’m misremembering here, but all the concerns are valid regardless). Firstly, many official duties are essential to the game, and having them assigned to the same person promotes accountability, since

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Monthly Report

2019-10-26 Thread Nch
‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Saturday, October 26, 2019 7:56 PM, James Cook wrote: > > Registrar's Monthly Report > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Encouraging Democracy Through Capitalism or Who Pays Subs Full Wages Anyway

2019-10-26 Thread Gaelan Steele
That’s a very interesting point, and one that I hadn’t considered. One possibility would be to have a few days at the beginning of each week in which only the person with the top reward (i.e. the “main” officeholder). This would help in the most common cases, but maybe would still discourage

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Monthly Report

2019-10-26 Thread James Cook
On Sun, 27 Oct 2019 at 01:42, Nch wrote: > > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ > On Saturday, October 26, 2019 7:56 PM, James Cook > wrote: > > > > > Registrar's Monthly Report > > > >