DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Activate the PRS

2008-06-30 Thread Taral
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Activate the PRS AI: 1 II: 1 { Upon the adoption of this proposal the contract known as the Points Relay Service becomes a contest with BobTHJ as its contestmaster } I don't think this works... -- Taral [EMAIL

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Here and Gone Again: a Registrar's Report

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I intend to ratify the Registrar's Report of June 29, 2008 without objection. Major ratifications like this should be accompanied by a reason. It hasn't been

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Here and Gone Again: a Registrar's Report

2008-06-30 Thread Taral
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It hasn't been ratified in over 3 years. If an old inconsistency like the one Quazie thought e found comes up, I don't want to have to recalculate everything that's happened since 2005. And with recent events involving

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Activate the PRS

2008-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008, Taral wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Activate the PRS AI: 1 II: 1 { Upon the adoption of this proposal the contract known as the Points Relay Service becomes a contest with BobTHJ as its contestmaster } I don't think this

DIS: Proto Proposals galore!

2008-06-30 Thread Quazie
I submit the following proto-proposals: Proposal - 'Capitol 1' - AI = 1, II=0 --- Change all instances of 'ruleset' to 'Ruleset' in R1681 Change all instances of 'ruleset' to 'Ruleset' in R1750 Change all instances of 'ruleset' to 'Ruleset' in R2200 Change all instances of 'Contestmaster' to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-30 Thread Zefram
Ben Caplan wrote: This strikes me as not within the spirit of the game of Werewolf. Wolves need to be able to lie with impunity. See who fears information getting out. I propose to lynch Pavitra. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Magenta! Columbia!

2008-06-30 Thread Zefram
Ben Caplan wrote: Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:12:23 -0500 http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc thinks that the time as I write this is 04:10 Jun 30 (UTC) or 16:10 Jun 29 (GMT +12). That's wrong. The time according to your Date header is 2008-06-29 23:12:23 in UTC-5h, which is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-30 Thread Quazie
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Caplan wrote: This strikes me as not within the spirit of the game of Werewolf. Wolves need to be able to lie with impunity. See who fears information getting out. I propose to lynch Pavitra. -zefram I second this,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-30 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:41 PM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ben Caplan wrote: This strikes me as not within the spirit of the game of Werewolf. Wolves need to be able to lie with impunity. See who fears information getting out. I propose to lynch Pavitra. -zefram

DIS: Re: BUS: I thought Agora's Birthday was today...

2008-06-30 Thread Zefram
Alexander Smith wrote: Happy Birthday, Agora! Late. Doesn't +1200 push it from midday on the 30th to midday on the 1st? The +12:00 means that it occurs 12 hours earlier than that date occurs in UTC. -zefram

DIS: Re: Re: BUS: I thought Agora's Birthday was today...

2008-06-30 Thread Zefram
Alexander Smith wrote: Well, in that case, I publically state that I did not have Internet access during Agora's Birthday. This prevented me from participating in the fora So your personal circumstances have abridged your R101 right. How naughty of them. Of course, that's not a binding

DIS: RE: Re: Re: BUS: I thought Agora's Birthday was today...

2008-06-30 Thread Alexander Smith
Zefram wrote: So your personal circumstances have abridged your R101 right. How naughty of them. Of course, that's not a binding agreement or interpretation of Agoran law, so R101 does not forbid it from abridging your rights. No, Rule 2199's abridged my R101 right, by not allowing me

DIS: Re: Re: BUS: I thought Agora's Birthday was today...

2008-06-30 Thread Alexander Smith
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 10:14 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: I CFJ on the following statement: ais523 was a person on Agora's birthday. Argument against: By eir own admission, e was not capable of communicating in English via email during Agora's birthday. --Wooble Heh, I hope that comes up

Re: DIS: Re: Re: BUS: I thought Agora's Birthday was today...

2008-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Zefram wrote: Alexander Smith wrote: Well, in that case, I publically state that I did not have Internet access during Agora's Birthday. This prevented me from participating in the fora So your personal circumstances have abridged your R101 right. How naughty of them.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5577-5584

2008-06-30 Thread Sgeo
5577 O1 1comex I don't deserve Scamster! AGAINSTx2 5578 O1 1.5 Murphy Easier cleanup of one-off pledges FORx2 5579 D0 3Quazie Race the Hare. FOR 5580 D1 3SgeoHolidays are sacred FOR 5581 D0 2SgeoRibbon Clarification AGAINST (Is it uncommon

DIS: Re: BUS: I support..

2008-06-30 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/30 Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I support ais523 making Proposal 5582 Democratic. AWESOME

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Hello, world

2008-06-30 Thread ais523
BobTHJ wrote: If the notary were to attempt to terminate the equation of CFJ 1927 I would not object. Without objection, I intend to terminate the equation of CFJ 1927. -- Notary ais523, who can take a hint

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:09 AM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See who fears information getting out. I propose to lynch Pavitra. -zefram I second this, support this, whatever the proper wording is. Pavitra is just as eager to lynch ehird. Also, I get to save my own, townsperson,

DIS: Re: BUS: I support..

2008-06-30 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 12:19 -0400, Sgeo wrote: I support ais523 making Proposal 5582 Democratic. With support from Sgeo and from Quazie (which is 2 support), I make the Agoran Decision on whether to adopt proposal 5582 Democratic. -- ais523

Re: DIS: Re: Re: BUS: I thought Agora's Birthday was today...

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Alexander Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh, I hope that comes up FALSE too, it would cause a massive gamestate recalculation based on unknown data due to all the assets that are restricted to people (there must be some), and the precedent that non-persons

DIS: BUS: Filling tickets

2008-06-30 Thread ais523
Goethe, I've noticed a problem with Vote Goethe; it seems to require an expenditure of 2VP to cause you to vote on a proposal you've already voted on of your own accord. Was this deliberate? -- ais523

Re: DIS: Proto Proposals galore!

2008-06-30 Thread Zefram
Quazie wrote: Proposal - 'Capitol 1' - AI = 1, II=0 We're moving away from Capitalising Important Words. I'd favour lowercasing some of the existing capitalised words. Proposal 'Non-newbies deserve Ribbons' AI =2 ii = 1 I think white ribbons should not be available to new players, only to

Re: DIS: Re: Re: BUS: I thought Agora's Birthday was today...

2008-06-30 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 10:50 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Alexander Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heh, I hope that comes up FALSE too, it would cause a massive gamestate recalculation based on unknown data due to all the assets that are restricted to people

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: I support..

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
NttPF. On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:40 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 12:19 -0400, Sgeo wrote: I support ais523 making Proposal 5582 Democratic. With support from Sgeo and from Quazie (which is 2 support), I make the Agoran Decision on whether to adopt proposal 5582

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Zefram
Quazie wrote: Proposal 'Another bribe?' AI=2 ii=1 Been done before. Boring. -zefram

Re: DIS: BUS: Filling tickets

2008-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, ais523 wrote: Goethe, I've noticed a problem with Vote Goethe; it seems to require an expenditure of 2VP to cause you to vote on a proposal you've already voted on of your own accord. Was this deliberate? Yep! But you may negotiate that with me if you wish... -Goethe

Re: DIS: Proto Proposals galore!

2008-06-30 Thread Quazie
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quazie wrote: Proposal - 'Capitol 1' - AI = 1, II=0 We're moving away from Capitalising Important Words. I'd favour lowercasing some of the existing capitalised words. I'll attempt to remove the capitols instead. Proposal

DIS: Re: BUS: Buy Tickets

2008-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, ais523 wrote: BUY TICKET Cost: 1VP Target: Goethe Action: Retract all the filler's votes on the Agoran decision on whether to adopt Proposal 5582, vote FOR on that decision, and do not retract that vote during the that decision's voting period I will vote as indicated

DIS: Re: BUS: Buy Tickets

2008-06-30 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 10:52 AM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BUY TICKET Cost: 1VP Target: BobTHJ Action: Retract all the filler's votes on the Agoran decision on whether to adopt Proposal 5582, vote FOR on that decision, and do not retract that vote during the that decision's voting

Re: DIS: Proto Proposals galore!

2008-06-30 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/30 Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Proposal 'Homo sapiens' AI=3 ii=0 We're not speciesist here. We have precedent for a blob of (biological) mauve goo being a player. Also, you spelled the binomial name correctly in the title but not in the body of the proposal. The specific epithet is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Buy Tickets

2008-06-30 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 09:59 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, ais523 wrote: BUY TICKET Cost: 1VP Target: Goethe Action: Retract all the filler's votes on the Agoran decision on whether to adopt Proposal 5582, vote FOR on that decision, and do not retract that vote during

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Quazie wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 9:56 AM, Zefram [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quazie wrote: Proposal 'Another bribe?' AI=2 ii=1 Been done before. Boring. -zefram I was just surprised to find that Bribing wasn't illegal, thats all, so I decided to see what would

Re: DIS: Proto Proposals galore!

2008-06-30 Thread Zefram
Quazie wrote: This is just to ensure that dead humans can be considered people if they need to be. But they're not people. They have no social personality and no capacity to act on their own behalf. They should correspondingly have no legal personality. It's vitally important that we recognise

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Buy Tickets

2008-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 09:59 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, ais523 wrote: I'm willing to bear the risk of being outbid on this. (It would still cost 2VP for someone else to retract and revote on your behalf, right?) Yep! You did it right.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Zefram
Quazie wrote: I was just surprised to find that Bribing wasn't illegal, thats all, so I decided to see what would happen. Precedent is that it gets voted down. The *first* bribery attempt of a novel type generally succeeds, but reiterations are frowned upon. (Your prisoners' dilemma proposal

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Zefram wrote: Quazie wrote: I was just surprised to find that Bribing wasn't illegal, thats all, so I decided to see what would happen. Precedent is that it gets voted down. The *first* bribery attempt of a novel type generally succeeds, but reiterations are frowned

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, we *are* trying to model a fair judicial system, so bribery for judges is a different (i.e. more frowned-upon) matter. I'm curious why one and not the other? BobTHJ

DIS: Proto: The Reformed Vote Market

2008-06-30 Thread ais523
Here are my ideas on how to fix problems I perceive in the Vote Market. This would also contain a self-repealing paragraph to fix OV holdings for the new definitions and to remove VPs (VPs are more valuable than OVs, and anyway need to be balanced); also, if my fill-lots-of-times scam worked, I'd

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:08 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well it's classic Nomic prisoners dilemma etc., but I disagree that it's boring, any more than playing Werewolf (that's been played many times before) is boring. The prisoner's dilemma gets a lot less interesting when you

DIS: Re: BUS: I think.

2008-06-30 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/30 comex [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hmph. So many accusations! But ehird has still not accepted my offer of chits! I nominate EHIRD. And I also nominate ZEFRAM, because coming out of the blue to nominate Pavrita is... a little suspicious. Your arguments suck. ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: I think.

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:54 AM, comex [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:38 PM, Elliott Hird [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I nominate comex for lynching. Why? E was the one who told me to nominate Wooble (after Wooble nominated em). E said that if I did, e'd vote against any

DIS: Re: BUS: I think.

2008-06-30 Thread Zefram
comex wrote: And I also nominate ZEFRAM, because coming out of the blue to nominate Pavrita is... a little suspicious. Damn, rumbled. Yep, I'm a werewolf. In fact, I'm both werewolves. Pavitra gave sufficient reason to suspect em of lupine tendencies. -zefram

Re: DIS: Proto: The Reformed Vote Market

2008-06-30 Thread Sgeo
14. Whenever a party owns more than 40 OVs, any party may transfer the OVs e owns in excess of 40 to the Lost and Found department by announcement. I think the wording is a bit awkward..

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-30 Thread Roger Hicks
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:21 PM, Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking personally, the more effort it takes, the less often anyone will bother. I suggest amending the Vote Market so that, instead of a three-step specific process: Alice I offer to sell my vote on 6000 for 1 VP Bob

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, we *are* trying to model a fair judicial system, so bribery for judges is a different (i.e. more frowned-upon) matter. I'm curious why one and not the other?

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/30 Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Keeping in mind there are some who have frowned upon legislative play too, and believe 1 person/1 vote Democratic revolutionaries! :P ehird

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Sgeo
Keeping in mind there are some who have frowned upon legislative play too, and believe 1 person/1 vote and no bribery for all proposals should be relatively sacred. And of course those who don't mind bribing judges :). I fully support legislative play for ordinary decisions, but not

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:24 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, we *are* trying to model a fair judicial system, so bribery for judges is a different (i.e.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/30 Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Haven't you followed modern american judicial proceedings? The law be damned. Legislation from the bench is the new politically correct wave. It is a convenient way to override the inconvenient majority. BobTHJ Let's adopt it posthaste. ehird

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: 2008/6/30 Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Haven't you followed modern american judicial proceedings? Religiously (ooh, bad word choice). I'd agree with you if you say the modern trend began with Marbury v. Madison (1803). -Goethe

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/30 Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I fully support legislative play for ordinary decisions, but not democratic decisions. As far as I'm concerned, the point of the distinction is to have a playground for decisions on things that won't completely change things, but when there are important

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm working on a proto that brings back the three-tiered Ordinary- Democratic - Sane. Along with cards. Stay tuned. But yes, I fully agree that there should *always* be a high-powered safe mode that is a straight-up

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't you followed modern american judicial proceedings? The law be damned. Legislation from the bench is the new politically correct wave. It is a convenient way to override the inconvenient majority. Not to turn this

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/30 Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Religiously (ooh, bad word choice) Somehow I think the dead persons = people debate will go that way. [EMAIL PROTECTED] death ehird

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm working on a proto that brings back the three-tiered Ordinary- Democratic - Sane. Along with cards. Stay tuned. But yes, I fully agree that there should *always* be a

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: 2008/6/30 Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Haven't you followed modern american judicial proceedings? Religiously (ooh, bad word choice). I'd agree with you if you say the modern

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:51 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Haven't you followed modern american judicial proceedings? The law be damned. Legislation from the bench is the new politically correct wave. It is a

DIS: Re: BUS: Overturn CFJ 1103!

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:09 PM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a conflict between Rules with different Power, the Rule with the higher Power takes precedence over the Rule with the lower Power, unless the Rule with the higher Power says otherwise. We don't need this.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-30 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 13:25 -0600, Roger Hicks wrote: I believe such actions would be interesting to experiment with here in Agora. I strongly believe such actions should not be experimented with at the State or Federal level of a world superpower. Well, B Nomic has Oracularities, which is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Overturn CFJ 1103!

2008-06-30 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 13:31 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: In general, drafting with precedence deferral is bad form, because it has the potential to bring about complex webs of precedent that must be unraveled in order to interpret the rules. If the rules are instead drafted to eliminate conflicts,

DIS: Re: BUS: Win by name?

2008-06-30 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 12:40 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: This following is a win announcement: My nickname is Goethe! Ah, a correct announcement clearly labeled as a win announcement. Unfortunately, I don't think it meets any of the Winning Conditions, so despite it being a win announcement it

DIS: Re: BUS: Win by name?

2008-06-30 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This following is a win announcement: My nickname is Goethe! -Goethe Huh? I thought you were the champion of the anti-ISIDTID crowd? BobTHJ

DIS: Prerogatives

2008-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
Just checking, I'm assuming: 1. When someone ceases to be MwoP, they hold onto their previous prerogatives; 2. When someone ceases to be a player, they hold onto their previous prerogatives; Someone tell me if I'm assuming wrong, please. -Goethe

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Win by name?

2008-06-30 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/30 Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Huh? I thought you were the champion of the anti-ISIDTID crowd? BobTHJ It IS a win announcement, though. Maybe e's doing a scam involving one. ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Win by name?

2008-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:40 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This following is a win announcement: My nickname is Goethe! -Goethe Huh? I thought you were the champion of the anti-ISIDTID crowd? What? I did actually make a correct

DIS: Re: BUS: Win by name?

2008-06-30 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This following is a win announcement: My nickname is Goethe! I'd think the Herald would want to avoid setting a precedent of explicitly labeling random announcements as win announcements. Stuff like The following is a win

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Win by name?

2008-06-30 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 15:53 -0400, Geoffrey Spear wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This following is a win announcement: My nickname is Goethe! I'd think the Herald would want to avoid setting a precedent of explicitly labeling random

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Win by name?

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:40 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This following is a win announcement: My nickname is Goethe! I'd think the Herald would want to avoid setting a precedent of explicitly labeling

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2008-06-30 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the not-quite-birthday HERALD'S REPORT - June 30, 2008 HERALD'S HISTORY CORNER (*NEW!*) DID YOU

DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- UNDEFINED BUT HELD PATENT TITLES -- : Andre Admiral:Goethe Agoran Spy:

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2008-06-30 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 14:02 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- UNDEFINED BUT HELD PATENT TITLES -- You've omitted ehird's

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2008-06-30 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:02 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Left in a Huff: Waggie, Gecko, Kelly (x3!), Swann, KoJen, Zefram, Vlad, Andre, Goethe You've omitted ehird's new Plagiarist title from Proposal 5568. -root Also, didn't I get a Left in a Huff, or Came

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, didn't I get a Left in a Huff, or Came Back in a Puff (or something similar) title by proposal some time back for my 'scam' of using a WRIT of FAGE to circumvent the 30 day self-imposed exile for voluntary

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2008-06-30 Thread Sgeo
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:06 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 14:02 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- UNDEFINED BUT HELD PATENT TITLES

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2008-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Roger Hicks wrote: Also, didn't I get a Left in a Huff, or Came Back in a Puff (or something similar) title by proposal some time back for my 'scam' of using a WRIT of FAGE to circumvent the 30 day self-imposed exile for voluntary deregistration? Ah yes, I believe so; I

Re: BUS: Re: ?spam? Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:07 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TTttPF On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 21:06 +0100, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 14:02 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5434-5440

2008-06-30 Thread Roger Hicks
On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NUM FL AI SUBMITTER TITLE *5434 O1 1Murphy Left in a Huff Text of adopted proposals: }{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{ Proposal 5434 (Ordinary, AI=1, Interest=1) by

Re: BUS: Re: ?spam? Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2008-06-30 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 14:17 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:07 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TTttPF On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 21:06 +0100, ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 14:02 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Kerim Aydin [EMAIL

DIS: Re: BUS: The Orchestra

2008-06-30 Thread Sgeo
How does this motivate any parties to act in any way? What value do Reeds have?

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5434-5440

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NUM FL AI SUBMITTER TITLE *5434 O1 1Murphy Left in a Huff Text of adopted proposals:

Re: BUS: Re: ?spam? Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Herald] The Scroll of Agora

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:21 PM, ais523 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm... patent titles aren't assets AFAIR, so the Herald probably isn't the recordkeepor of them and so it probably doesn't self-ratify. But CoEing is still useful due to the potential of deliberate ratification, plus I think it's

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5434-5440

2008-06-30 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:25 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:18 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Feb 12, 2008 at 11:07 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: NUM FL AI SUBMITTER TITLE *5434 O1 1Murphy Left in a Huff Text of

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Herald] Agoran Heraldry

2008-06-30 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Mar 3, 2008 at 12:14 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 2, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Josiah Worcester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BobTHJ Came Back in a Puff Champion* Minister Without Portfolio* *Dependent on BobTHJ being a player.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5434-5440

2008-06-30 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: }{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{}{ Proposal 5434 (Ordinary, AI=1, Interest=1) by Murphy Left in a Huff Amend Rule 1922 (Defined Regular Patent Titles) by appending this text: (f) Left in a Huff, to be awarded

DIS: Re: BUS: Flapjack

2008-06-30 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/30 Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I agree::Agora to this contract::Agora and register::Flapjack This is Flapjack::unintelligable. ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Flapjack

2008-06-30 Thread ais523
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 17:24 -0400, Sgeo wrote: I agree::Agora to this contract::Agora and register::Flapjack I'm going to act as though this failed, because it's not obvious what you're agreeing to. -- ais523

DIS: Re: BUS: Win by Extortion

2008-06-30 Thread Quazie
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With Agoran Consent, I act on behalf of Agora to award a win to myself and all persons who support my acting on behalf of Agora in this way. I object. I also object to others supporting this. I submit the following proposal 'I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Win by Extortion

2008-06-30 Thread Roger Hicks
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Quazie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With Agoran Consent, I act on behalf of Agora to award a win to myself and all persons who support my acting on behalf of Agora in this way. I object. I also

DIS: Re: BUS: Win by name?

2008-06-30 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: This following is a win announcement: My nickname is Goethe! *checks* It is. It doesn't cause you to satisfy any Win Conditions, though.

DIS: Re: BUS: Win by Extortion

2008-06-30 Thread Ed Murphy
Sgeo wrote: With Agoran Consent, I act on behalf of Agora to award a win to myself and all persons who support my acting on behalf of Agora in this way. Doesn't work that way, you have to declare intent first. (This could be interpreted as an implicit declaration of intent.)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-30 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: Wait, isn't there supposed to be a two-day discussion period first? Also, does it make a difference that neither the nomination nor the second were to the PF? The contract uses the phrase by announcement without redefining it... Right on both counts, I think. Relevant

DIS: Re: BUS: Win by Extortion

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:55 PM, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 3:37 PM, Sgeo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With Agoran Consent, I act on behalf of Agora to award a win to myself and all persons who support my acting on behalf of Agora in this way. You can't, because

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-30 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: Casting a vote of SELL (X) on a proposal is equivalent to posting a Sell Ticket with a cost of X and endorsing the filler of that Sell Ticket.? Sounds good for the sell side, but I'd still like to see I buy up to X VP worth of votes in the obvious optimal fashion refactored as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Overturn CFJ 1103!

2008-06-30 Thread Ed Murphy
ais523 wrote: On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 13:31 -0600, Ian Kelly wrote: In general, drafting with precedence deferral is bad form, because it has the potential to bring about complex webs of precedent that must be unraveled in order to interpret the rules. If the rules are instead drafted to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Magenta! Columbia!

2008-06-30 Thread Michael Norrish
Ben Caplan wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/29 Ed Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Happy birthday, Agora! 45 seconds late, I believe. Wait, what? Does GMT +1200 mean + 1,200 hours? I assumed it meant + 12:00, i.e., + 12 hours. GMT +12 as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Magenta! Columbia!

2008-06-30 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/7/1 Michael Norrish [EMAIL PROTECTED]: It's +12 (hours) because I started the game from Wellington, New Zealand. Michael. Hi there! ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2008-06-30 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Cctoide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hereby register under the nickname cctoide. Well, it's about time. You've been lurking for what, 2 years now? Welcome to Agora. :-) -root

DIS: Re: BUS: The Orchestra

2008-06-30 Thread ihope
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:12 PM, Roger Hicks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, I know the Note Exchange exists, but it is rather convoluted. This attempts to boil that concept down to something simple enough that people might participate. What I thought was that the Note Exchange isn't working

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

2008-06-30 Thread Elliott Hird
All the credit goes to me, naturally, since I pushed em to do it. :P On 01/07/2008, Ian Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:23 PM, Cctoide [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hereby register under the nickname cctoide. Well, it's about time. You've been lurking for what, 2 years

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Resolving Tailor, Herald elections

2008-06-30 Thread Taral
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:22 PM, Geoffrey Spear [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The option chosen by Agora is ERIS. I install em as Tailor. You bastards. I have to do work? -- Taral [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown

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