Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A Reward for Obedience
[sorry for double post, Gmail doesn't have a good way to reply to multiple
emails at once. I'm probably going to switch to a desktop client soon.]
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Alexis Hunt wrote:
> Looking it over again, I see three potential other issues:
> - A player does not stop becoming eligible at the end of the month. I
> would say "eligible for a Medal of Honour that month", to avoid this.
>
Yep, that's a very good point. I'll add that.
> - If a player incorrectly announces eligibility, this could invalidate the
> entire vote later. Not sure what the best fix is.
>
Yeah, I'm not sure about that either.
> - Minor typo: E's -> Eir
>
I'm a derp.
>
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 at 20:31 Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Oh, last thing: you should throw in this Proposal a repeal of the
>> Victory Elections
>> (Rule 2482). This is a much better replacement and we don't need both.
>>
>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>> > Just a note: It looks like the Herald isn't required to track who has
>> a Medal of
>> > Honour once it's awarded. So it's like trust tokens that people just
>> have to
>> > keep track - is that intentional? (As Herald I'd probably put this in
>> my monthly
>> > report anyway).
>> >
>> > Also there's a timing problem. "In the second week of an Agoran
>> month..." doesn't
>> > play well with "SHALL in a timely fashion" - does that mean in a timely
>> fashion after
>> > the beginning of the second week? After the end? If you want it done
>> in the second
>> > week, you'd delete the "in a timely fashion" and then the Herald SHALL
>> do it in the
>> > second week and it works. The way it reads, it almost sounds
>> > like the Herald CAN in the second week only, but SHALL in a timely
>> fashion after
>> > the second week (so net effect is it can't be done).
>> >
>> > There's a bit of confusion to me about what "the first week of an Agoran
>> > month" is - whether it's the 7 days after the start of the month - or
>> somehow the
>> > first Agoran week that starts in the month. (this one's minor I'd
>> guess the 7
>> > days).
>> >
>> > Minor grammar point: Instead of "E's" it should be "Eir".
>> >
>> > (and - apologies for not looking closely until you asked about the
>> karma! I
>> > really like the idea.)
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, 17 Oct 2017, ATMunn . wrote:
>> > > I submit the following proposal and pend it with 1 shiny.
>> > >
>> > > Title: "A Reward for Obedience v3"
>> > > Author: ATMunn
>> > > Co-Author(s): Aris, Alexis
>> > > AI: 1
>> > >
>> > > Create a new power-1 rule titled "Medals of Honour"
>> > > {
>> > > Medals of Honour are a destructible fixed currency tracked by the
>> Herald.
>> > >
>> > > In the first week of an Agoran Month, any player CAN declare
>> emself to be eligible for a Medal of Honour by announcement if all of the
>> following are true:
>> > > * E has made at least 1 message to a public forum in the last
>> Agoran month.
>> > > * E's Karma is not below -3.
>> > > * In the last Agoran month, e has not had a Card issued to em.
>> > >
>> > > In the second week of an Agoran Month, if there are any players
>> who are eligible for a Medal of Honour, the Herald CAN, by announcement,
>> and SHALL in a timely fashion, initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be
>> awarded a Medal of Honour.
>> > > For this decision, the valid votes are all players who are
>> eligible for a Medal of Honour, the vote collector is the Herald, and the
>> voting method is instant-runoff.
>> > > Upon the resolution of this decision, the Herald CAN, and SHALL
>> in a timely fashion, award the outcome of the decision a Medal of Honour by
>> announcement.
>> > >
>> > > If, at any time, any player has 6 or more Medals of Honour, and e
>> has not won via this rule previously, e can win the game by announcement,
>> destroying all of eir Medals of Honour.
>> > > }
>> > >
>> > > [Changes from the prototype: I made it so that you can still get a
>> medal even if your karma is negative, as long as it's not below -3. I also
>> reworded the last part of the Agoran Decision section.]
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A Reward for Obedience
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:22 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> Just a note: It looks like the Herald isn't required to track who has a
> Medal of
> Honour once it's awarded. So it's like trust tokens that people just have
> to
> keep track - is that intentional? (As Herald I'd probably put this in my
> monthly
> report anyway).
>
>
Hm, that's not really intentional. It would probably still work, though.
>
>
>
> Also there's a timing problem. "In the second week of an Agoran month..."
> doesn't
> play well with "SHALL in a timely fashion" - does that mean in a timely
> fashion after
> the beginning of the second week? After the end? If you want it done in
> the second
> week, you'd delete the "in a timely fashion" and then the Herald SHALL do
> it in the
> second week and it works. The way it reads, it almost sounds
> like the Herald CAN in the second week only, but SHALL in a timely fashion
> after
> the second week (so net effect is it can't be done).
>
Ah, ok. I'm pretty new to that kind of stuff. I'll try to fix that.
>
> There's a bit of confusion to me about what "the first week of an Agoran
> month" is - whether it's the 7 days after the start of the month - or
> somehow the
> first Agoran week that starts in the month. (this one's minor I'd guess
> the 7
> days).
>
The first 7 days is what I intended.
>
> Minor grammar point: Instead of "E's" it should be "Eir".
>
Oops.
>
> (and - apologies for not looking closely until you asked about the karma!
> I
> really like the idea.)
>
It's alright, there was a lot of stuff going on around the time I posted
it.
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2017, ATMunn . wrote:
> > I submit the following proposal and pend it with 1 shiny.
> >
> > Title: "A Reward for Obedience v3"
> > Author: ATMunn
> > Co-Author(s): Aris, Alexis
> > AI: 1
> >
> > Create a new power-1 rule titled "Medals of Honour"
> > {
> > Medals of Honour are a destructible fixed currency tracked by the
> Herald.
> >
> > In the first week of an Agoran Month, any player CAN declare emself
> to be eligible for a Medal of Honour by announcement if all of the
> following are true:
> > * E has made at least 1 message to a public forum in the last Agoran
> month.
> > * E's Karma is not below -3.
> > * In the last Agoran month, e has not had a Card issued to em.
> >
> > In the second week of an Agoran Month, if there are any players who
> are eligible for a Medal of Honour, the Herald CAN, by announcement, and
> SHALL in a timely fashion, initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be
> awarded a Medal of Honour.
> > For this decision, the valid votes are all players who are eligible
> for a Medal of Honour, the vote collector is the Herald, and the voting
> method is instant-runoff.
> > Upon the resolution of this decision, the Herald CAN, and SHALL in a
> timely fashion, award the outcome of the decision a Medal of Honour by
> announcement.
> >
> > If, at any time, any player has 6 or more Medals of Honour, and e
> has not won via this rule previously, e can win the game by announcement,
> destroying all of eir Medals of Honour.
> > }
> >
> > [Changes from the prototype: I made it so that you can still get a medal
> even if your karma is negative, as long as it's not below -3. I also
> reworded the last part of the Agoran Decision section.]
> >
> >
>
Also, about the Victory Election thing: I meant to do that, but I forgot.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A Reward for Obedience
Looking it over again, I see three potential other issues:
- A player does not stop becoming eligible at the end of the month. I would
say "eligible for a Medal of Honour that month", to avoid this.
- If a player incorrectly announces eligibility, this could invalidate the
entire vote later. Not sure what the best fix is.
- Minor typo: E's -> Eir
On Tue, 17 Oct 2017 at 20:31 Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
>
> Oh, last thing: you should throw in this Proposal a repeal of the Victory
> Elections
> (Rule 2482). This is a much better replacement and we don't need both.
>
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > Just a note: It looks like the Herald isn't required to track who has a
> Medal of
> > Honour once it's awarded. So it's like trust tokens that people just
> have to
> > keep track - is that intentional? (As Herald I'd probably put this in
> my monthly
> > report anyway).
> >
> > Also there's a timing problem. "In the second week of an Agoran
> month..." doesn't
> > play well with "SHALL in a timely fashion" - does that mean in a timely
> fashion after
> > the beginning of the second week? After the end? If you want it done
> in the second
> > week, you'd delete the "in a timely fashion" and then the Herald SHALL
> do it in the
> > second week and it works. The way it reads, it almost sounds
> > like the Herald CAN in the second week only, but SHALL in a timely
> fashion after
> > the second week (so net effect is it can't be done).
> >
> > There's a bit of confusion to me about what "the first week of an Agoran
> > month" is - whether it's the 7 days after the start of the month - or
> somehow the
> > first Agoran week that starts in the month. (this one's minor I'd guess
> the 7
> > days).
> >
> > Minor grammar point: Instead of "E's" it should be "Eir".
> >
> > (and - apologies for not looking closely until you asked about the
> karma! I
> > really like the idea.)
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 17 Oct 2017, ATMunn . wrote:
> > > I submit the following proposal and pend it with 1 shiny.
> > >
> > > Title: "A Reward for Obedience v3"
> > > Author: ATMunn
> > > Co-Author(s): Aris, Alexis
> > > AI: 1
> > >
> > > Create a new power-1 rule titled "Medals of Honour"
> > > {
> > > Medals of Honour are a destructible fixed currency tracked by the
> Herald.
> > >
> > > In the first week of an Agoran Month, any player CAN declare
> emself to be eligible for a Medal of Honour by announcement if all of the
> following are true:
> > > * E has made at least 1 message to a public forum in the last
> Agoran month.
> > > * E's Karma is not below -3.
> > > * In the last Agoran month, e has not had a Card issued to em.
> > >
> > > In the second week of an Agoran Month, if there are any players
> who are eligible for a Medal of Honour, the Herald CAN, by announcement,
> and SHALL in a timely fashion, initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be
> awarded a Medal of Honour.
> > > For this decision, the valid votes are all players who are
> eligible for a Medal of Honour, the vote collector is the Herald, and the
> voting method is instant-runoff.
> > > Upon the resolution of this decision, the Herald CAN, and SHALL in
> a timely fashion, award the outcome of the decision a Medal of Honour by
> announcement.
> > >
> > > If, at any time, any player has 6 or more Medals of Honour, and e
> has not won via this rule previously, e can win the game by announcement,
> destroying all of eir Medals of Honour.
> > > }
> > >
> > > [Changes from the prototype: I made it so that you can still get a
> medal even if your karma is negative, as long as it's not below -3. I also
> reworded the last part of the Agoran Decision section.]
> > >
> > >
> >
>
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A Reward for Obedience
Oh, last thing: you should throw in this Proposal a repeal of the Victory
Elections
(Rule 2482). This is a much better replacement and we don't need both.
On Tue, 17 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> Just a note: It looks like the Herald isn't required to track who has a
> Medal of
> Honour once it's awarded. So it's like trust tokens that people just have to
> keep track - is that intentional? (As Herald I'd probably put this in my
> monthly
> report anyway).
>
> Also there's a timing problem. "In the second week of an Agoran month..."
> doesn't
> play well with "SHALL in a timely fashion" - does that mean in a timely
> fashion after
> the beginning of the second week? After the end? If you want it done in the
> second
> week, you'd delete the "in a timely fashion" and then the Herald SHALL do it
> in the
> second week and it works. The way it reads, it almost sounds
> like the Herald CAN in the second week only, but SHALL in a timely fashion
> after
> the second week (so net effect is it can't be done).
>
> There's a bit of confusion to me about what "the first week of an Agoran
> month" is - whether it's the 7 days after the start of the month - or somehow
> the
> first Agoran week that starts in the month. (this one's minor I'd guess the 7
> days).
>
> Minor grammar point: Instead of "E's" it should be "Eir".
>
> (and - apologies for not looking closely until you asked about the karma! I
> really like the idea.)
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2017, ATMunn . wrote:
> > I submit the following proposal and pend it with 1 shiny.
> >
> > Title: "A Reward for Obedience v3"
> > Author: ATMunn
> > Co-Author(s): Aris, Alexis
> > AI: 1
> >
> > Create a new power-1 rule titled "Medals of Honour"
> > {
> > Medals of Honour are a destructible fixed currency tracked by the
> > Herald.
> >
> > In the first week of an Agoran Month, any player CAN declare emself to
> > be eligible for a Medal of Honour by announcement if all of the following
> > are true:
> > * E has made at least 1 message to a public forum in the last Agoran
> > month.
> > * E's Karma is not below -3.
> > * In the last Agoran month, e has not had a Card issued to em.
> >
> > In the second week of an Agoran Month, if there are any players who are
> > eligible for a Medal of Honour, the Herald CAN, by announcement, and SHALL
> > in a timely fashion, initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded a
> > Medal of Honour.
> > For this decision, the valid votes are all players who are eligible for
> > a Medal of Honour, the vote collector is the Herald, and the voting method
> > is instant-runoff.
> > Upon the resolution of this decision, the Herald CAN, and SHALL in a
> > timely fashion, award the outcome of the decision a Medal of Honour by
> > announcement.
> >
> > If, at any time, any player has 6 or more Medals of Honour, and e has
> > not won via this rule previously, e can win the game by announcement,
> > destroying all of eir Medals of Honour.
> > }
> >
> > [Changes from the prototype: I made it so that you can still get a medal
> > even if your karma is negative, as long as it's not below -3. I also
> > reworded the last part of the Agoran Decision section.]
> >
> >
>
DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A Reward for Obedience
Just a note: It looks like the Herald isn't required to track who has a Medal
of
Honour once it's awarded. So it's like trust tokens that people just have to
keep track - is that intentional? (As Herald I'd probably put this in my
monthly
report anyway).
Also there's a timing problem. "In the second week of an Agoran month..."
doesn't
play well with "SHALL in a timely fashion" - does that mean in a timely fashion
after
the beginning of the second week? After the end? If you want it done in the
second
week, you'd delete the "in a timely fashion" and then the Herald SHALL do it in
the
second week and it works. The way it reads, it almost sounds
like the Herald CAN in the second week only, but SHALL in a timely fashion after
the second week (so net effect is it can't be done).
There's a bit of confusion to me about what "the first week of an Agoran
month" is - whether it's the 7 days after the start of the month - or somehow
the
first Agoran week that starts in the month. (this one's minor I'd guess the 7
days).
Minor grammar point: Instead of "E's" it should be "Eir".
(and - apologies for not looking closely until you asked about the karma! I
really like the idea.)
On Tue, 17 Oct 2017, ATMunn . wrote:
> I submit the following proposal and pend it with 1 shiny.
>
> Title: "A Reward for Obedience v3"
> Author: ATMunn
> Co-Author(s): Aris, Alexis
> AI: 1
>
> Create a new power-1 rule titled "Medals of Honour"
> {
> Medals of Honour are a destructible fixed currency tracked by the Herald.
>
> In the first week of an Agoran Month, any player CAN declare emself to be
> eligible for a Medal of Honour by announcement if all of the following are
> true:
> * E has made at least 1 message to a public forum in the last Agoran
> month.
> * E's Karma is not below -3.
> * In the last Agoran month, e has not had a Card issued to em.
>
> In the second week of an Agoran Month, if there are any players who are
> eligible for a Medal of Honour, the Herald CAN, by announcement, and SHALL in
> a timely fashion, initiate an Agoran Decision on who is to be awarded a Medal
> of Honour.
> For this decision, the valid votes are all players who are eligible for a
> Medal of Honour, the vote collector is the Herald, and the voting method is
> instant-runoff.
> Upon the resolution of this decision, the Herald CAN, and SHALL in a
> timely fashion, award the outcome of the decision a Medal of Honour by
> announcement.
>
> If, at any time, any player has 6 or more Medals of Honour, and e has not
> won via this rule previously, e can win the game by announcement, destroying
> all of eir Medals of Honour.
> }
>
> [Changes from the prototype: I made it so that you can still get a medal even
> if your karma is negative, as long as it's not below -3. I also reworded the
> last part of the Agoran Decision section.]
>
>
Re: DIS: Silly Proposal Query
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:31 AM, ATMunn . wrote: > Do not forget, please > It's not seven five seven > But five seven five > Haiku need not be Five-seven-five syllables. It's just a guideline.
Re: DIS: Silly Proposal Query
Do not forget, please It's not seven five seven But five seven five On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Ørjan Johansen > wrote: > >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: >> >> On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Josh T wrote: >>> About Silly proposals I am vexed:Of the rule's intention I am perplexed; Ought the proposal's mood be most merry, Or it's meaning and tone be contrary? >>> >>> The Rule's a blank slate >>> With no preconceived notions >>> Whatever you like >>> >> >> Despite your reply >> for autumny Silliness >> haikus do not count >> > > Haiku can be serious, > Or lighten the heart. > Silly is as silly does. > >OscarMeyr >
Re: DIS: Silly Proposal Query
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 7:36 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Josh T wrote: >> >>> About Silly proposals I am vexed:Of the rule's intention I am perplexed; >>> Ought the proposal's mood be most merry, >>> Or it's meaning and tone be contrary? >>> >> >> The Rule's a blank slate >> With no preconceived notions >> Whatever you like >> > > Despite your reply > for autumny Silliness > haikus do not count > Haiku can be serious, Or lighten the heart. Silly is as silly does. OscarMeyr
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Herald] Karmic thoughts
I think that would work. I've gone ahead and changed it. I'll go ahead and submit the proposal now. On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, ATMunn . wrote: > > The reason why they're called Medals of Honour is because in order to > declare > > yourself eligible for one, you have to have not received any cards in > the last > > month, and you can't have negative Karma. > > Since karma is 0-sum, for there to be any positive karma, there will > have to be negative. I wouldn't want to discourage someone from giving > away > their own karma on occasion. Might I suggest a lower cutoff (if eta/gamma > is > too low, maybe -3 to -4 karma or something?) I'd be happy to limit my > randomness > to people above whatever the limit is, if it's not at 0. > > > >
