Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8133-8138

[Gaelan Steele]

Ah, alright.

Gaelan

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 6:00 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey  wrote:
> 
> Pardon me - If you had not submitted that vote, Jacob Arduino's vote would 
> have resolved to AGAINST, not PRESENT. Either way your vote evaluates to 
> ENDORSE V.J. Rada.
> 
> -twg
> 
> 
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Monday, December 3, 2018 1:56 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey  wrote:
> 
>> You ENDORSEd the person who would otherwise be the last person to vote FOR, 
>> i.e., who would be the last person to vote FOR in the hypothetical scenario 
>> that you had not submitted that vote. If you had not submitted that vote, 
>> Jacob Arduino's vote endorsing you would have resolved to PRESENT, so the 
>> last person to vote FOR would have been V.J. Rada (unconditionally, so it's 
>> not affected by CFJ 3691).
>> 
>> -twg
>> 
>> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
>> On Monday, December 3, 2018 1:52 AM, Gaelan Steele g...@canishe.com wrote:
>> 
>>> Did I really vote FOR 8136? IIRC I ENDORSED the last person to vote FOR, 
>>> and someone else did as well (that may have been Jacob, who changed eir 
>>> vote to endorse me). Either way, I think that’s an inextricable conditional 
>>> that resolves to PRESENT.
>>> 
 On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote:
 I resolve the Agoran Decisions to adopt each of Proposals 8133-8138 as
 follows.
 -twg
 SUMMARY
 
 This section self-ratifies.
 ID Author(s) Title Result
 
 8133 Trigon Proposals aren't worth that much ADOPTED
 8134 G. The judge switch ADOPTED
 8135 twg, D. Margaux Blot Decay (Reprise) REJECTED
 8136 V.J. Rada I hate myself REJECTED
 8137 Aris, twg, Trigon Uncorrecting Rewards ADOPTED
 8138 twg Access to contracts' assets REJECTED
 10 ballots were cast on Proposal 8138, so Quorum on Agoran Decisions is
 now 7 except where otherwise stated.
 TALLY OF VOTES
 ===
 This section does not self-ratify. Which is just as well really, because
 I bet someone will try to CoE it.
 
+-+-+-+-+-+-+
| 8133| 8134| 8135| 8136| 8137| 8138|
 
 
 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |AI | 1.0 | 2.0 | 2.0 | 3.0 | 3.0 | 2.5 |
 |Quorum | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 |
 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |Aris | FFF | FFF | FFF | AAA | FFF | FFF |
 |ATMunn PM| |+FFF | P | | | |
 |D. Margaux | | | |+AAA | | |
 |G. |+FFF | FFF | AAA | AAA |+FFF | AAA |
 |Gaelan |+FFF |+FFF | AAA |+FFF | P |+AAA |
 |Jacob Arduino |+FFF |+FFF |+AAA |+FFF |+AAA |+AAA |
 |pokes Z|+FFF | FFF | AAA | AAA |+FFF | AAA |
 |Telnaior |+FFF |+FFF |+FFF |+AAA |+FFF |+FFF |
 |天火狐 Z| FFF | FFF | FFF | AAA | FFF | AAA |
 |Trigon | FFF | P | AAA | AAA | FFF | P |
 |twg | FFF | FFF | FFF | AAA | FFF | AAA |
 |V.J. Rada 5b.| | | | FF | | |
 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
 |FOR | 31 | 27 | 12 | 8 | 25 | 10 |
 |AGAINST | 0 | 0 | 15 | 28 | 3 | 18 |
 |Ballots | 10 | 10 | 10 | 12 | 10 | 10 |
 |Resolved |ADOP.|ADOP.|REJE.|REJE.|ADOP.|REJE.|
 ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
 Key:
 PM Prime Minister
 Z Zombie
 
 -   Extricated conditional
x Inextricable conditional
#b. Possesses # blots
 
 
 RIBBONS EARNED IN THIS RESOLUTION
 ==
 This section is purely informational and does not self-ratify.
 Player Ribbon Proposal(s)
 Trigon Orange 8133
 G. Orange 8134
 TEXT OF ADOPTED PROPOSALS
 ==
 This section is purely informational and does not self-ratify.
 //
 ID: 8133
 Title: Proposals aren't worth that much
 Adoption index: 1.0
 Author: Trigon
 Co-authors:
 Amend rule 2496 by replacing the text "the total strength of all valid
 ballots", wherever it appears, to "the number of valid ballots".
 //
 ID: 8134
 Title: The judge switch
 Adoption index: 2.0
 Author: G.
 Co-authors:
 Amend R991 (Calls for Judgement) by replacing the paragraph beginning
 "When a CFJ has no judge assigned" with the following text:
 Judge is an untracked CFJ switch with possible values of any
 person or "unassigned" (default). To "assign" a CFJ to a person
 is to flip that CFJ's judge to that person. To "remove" or
 "recuse" a person from a being the judge of a CFJ is to flip that
 CFJ's judge from that person to unassigned.
 When a CFJ's judge is unassigned, the Arbitor CAN assign any
 eligible player to be its judge by announcement, and SHALL do so
 in a timely fashion. The players eligible to be assigned as judge
 are all active 

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8133-8138

[Timon Walshe-Grey]

Pardon me - If you had not submitted that vote, Jacob Arduino's vote would have 
resolved to AGAINST, not PRESENT. Either way your vote evaluates to ENDORSE 
V.J. Rada.

-twg


‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Monday, December 3, 2018 1:56 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey  wrote:

> You ENDORSEd the person who would otherwise be the last person to vote FOR, 
> i.e., who would be the last person to vote FOR in the hypothetical scenario 
> that you had not submitted that vote. If you had not submitted that vote, 
> Jacob Arduino's vote endorsing you would have resolved to PRESENT, so the 
> last person to vote FOR would have been V.J. Rada (unconditionally, so it's 
> not affected by CFJ 3691).
>
> -twg
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Monday, December 3, 2018 1:52 AM, Gaelan Steele g...@canishe.com wrote:
>
> > Did I really vote FOR 8136? IIRC I ENDORSED the last person to vote FOR, 
> > and someone else did as well (that may have been Jacob, who changed eir 
> > vote to endorse me). Either way, I think that’s an inextricable conditional 
> > that resolves to PRESENT.
> >
> > > On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote:
> > > I resolve the Agoran Decisions to adopt each of Proposals 8133-8138 as
> > > follows.
> > > -twg
> > > SUMMARY
> > > 
> > > This section self-ratifies.
> > > ID Author(s) Title Result
> > >
> > > 8133 Trigon Proposals aren't worth that much ADOPTED
> > > 8134 G. The judge switch ADOPTED
> > > 8135 twg, D. Margaux Blot Decay (Reprise) REJECTED
> > > 8136 V.J. Rada I hate myself REJECTED
> > > 8137 Aris, twg, Trigon Uncorrecting Rewards ADOPTED
> > > 8138 twg Access to contracts' assets REJECTED
> > > 10 ballots were cast on Proposal 8138, so Quorum on Agoran Decisions is
> > > now 7 except where otherwise stated.
> > > TALLY OF VOTES
> > > ===
> > > This section does not self-ratify. Which is just as well really, because
> > > I bet someone will try to CoE it.
> > >
> > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > > | 8133| 8134| 8135| 8136| 8137| 8138|
> > >
> > >
> > > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > > |AI | 1.0 | 2.0 | 2.0 | 3.0 | 3.0 | 2.5 |
> > > |Quorum | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 |
> > > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > > |Aris | FFF | FFF | FFF | AAA | FFF | FFF |
> > > |ATMunn PM| |+FFF | P | | | |
> > > |D. Margaux | | | |+AAA | | |
> > > |G. |+FFF | FFF | AAA | AAA |+FFF | AAA |
> > > |Gaelan |+FFF |+FFF | AAA |+FFF | P |+AAA |
> > > |Jacob Arduino |+FFF |+FFF |+AAA |+FFF |+AAA |+AAA |
> > > |pokes Z|+FFF | FFF | AAA | AAA |+FFF | AAA |
> > > |Telnaior |+FFF |+FFF |+FFF |+AAA |+FFF |+FFF |
> > > |天火狐 Z| FFF | FFF | FFF | AAA | FFF | AAA |
> > > |Trigon | FFF | P | AAA | AAA | FFF | P |
> > > |twg | FFF | FFF | FFF | AAA | FFF | AAA |
> > > |V.J. Rada 5b.| | | | FF | | |
> > > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > > |FOR | 31 | 27 | 12 | 8 | 25 | 10 |
> > > |AGAINST | 0 | 0 | 15 | 28 | 3 | 18 |
> > > |Ballots | 10 | 10 | 10 | 12 | 10 | 10 |
> > > |Resolved |ADOP.|ADOP.|REJE.|REJE.|ADOP.|REJE.|
> > > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > > Key:
> > > PM Prime Minister
> > > Z Zombie
> > >
> > > -   Extricated conditional
> > > x Inextricable conditional
> > > #b. Possesses # blots
> > >
> > >
> > > RIBBONS EARNED IN THIS RESOLUTION
> > > ==
> > > This section is purely informational and does not self-ratify.
> > > Player Ribbon Proposal(s)
> > > Trigon Orange 8133
> > > G. Orange 8134
> > > TEXT OF ADOPTED PROPOSALS
> > > ==
> > > This section is purely informational and does not self-ratify.
> > > //
> > > ID: 8133
> > > Title: Proposals aren't worth that much
> > > Adoption index: 1.0
> > > Author: Trigon
> > > Co-authors:
> > > Amend rule 2496 by replacing the text "the total strength of all valid
> > > ballots", wherever it appears, to "the number of valid ballots".
> > > //
> > > ID: 8134
> > > Title: The judge switch
> > > Adoption index: 2.0
> > > Author: G.
> > > Co-authors:
> > > Amend R991 (Calls for Judgement) by replacing the paragraph beginning
> > > "When a CFJ has no judge assigned" with the following text:
> > > Judge is an untracked CFJ switch with possible values of any
> > > person or "unassigned" (default). To "assign" a CFJ to a person
> > > is to flip that CFJ's judge to that person. To "remove" or
> > > "recuse" a person from a being the judge of a CFJ is to flip that
> > > CFJ's judge from that person to unassigned.
> > > When a CFJ's judge is unassigned, the Arbitor CAN assign any
> > > eligible player to be its judge by announcement, and SHALL do so
> > > in a timely fashion. The players eligible to be assigned as judge
> > > are all active players except the initiator and 

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8133-8138

[Timon Walshe-Grey]

You ENDORSEd the person who would _otherwise_ be the last person to vote FOR, 
i.e., who would be the last person to vote FOR in the hypothetical scenario 
that you had not submitted that vote. If you had not submitted that vote, Jacob 
Arduino's vote endorsing you would have resolved to PRESENT, so the last person 
to vote FOR would have been V.J. Rada (unconditionally, so it's not affected by 
CFJ 3691).

-twg


‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Monday, December 3, 2018 1:52 AM, Gaelan Steele  wrote:

> Did I really vote FOR 8136? IIRC I ENDORSED the last person to vote FOR, and 
> someone else did as well (that may have been Jacob, who changed eir vote to 
> endorse me). Either way, I think that’s an inextricable conditional that 
> resolves to PRESENT.
>
> > On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey m...@timon.red wrote:
> > I resolve the Agoran Decisions to adopt each of Proposals 8133-8138 as
> > follows.
> > -twg
> >
> > SUMMARY
> >
> > 
> >
> > This section self-ratifies.
> >
> > ID Author(s) Title Result
> >
> > --
> >
> > 8133 Trigon Proposals aren't worth that much ADOPTED
> > 8134 G. The judge switch ADOPTED
> > 8135 twg, D. Margaux Blot Decay (Reprise) REJECTED
> > 8136 V.J. Rada I hate myself REJECTED
> > 8137 Aris, twg, Trigon Uncorrecting Rewards ADOPTED
> > 8138 twg Access to contracts' assets REJECTED
> > 10 ballots were cast on Proposal 8138, so Quorum on Agoran Decisions is
> > now 7 except where otherwise stated.
> >
> > TALLY OF VOTES
> >
> > ===
> >
> > This section does not self-ratify. Which is just as well really, because
> > I bet someone will try to CoE it.
> >
> > +-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > | 8133| 8134| 8135| 8136| 8137| 8138|
> >
> >
> > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > |AI | 1.0 | 2.0 | 2.0 | 3.0 | 3.0 | 2.5 |
> > |Quorum | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 6 |
> > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > |Aris | FFF | FFF | FFF | AAA | FFF | FFF |
> > |ATMunn PM| |+FFF | P | | | |
> > |D. Margaux | | | |+AAA | | |
> > |G. |+FFF | FFF | AAA | AAA |+FFF | AAA |
> > |Gaelan |+FFF |+FFF | AAA |+FFF | P |+AAA |
> > |Jacob Arduino |+FFF |+FFF |+AAA |+FFF |+AAA |+AAA |
> > |pokes Z|+FFF | FFF | AAA | AAA |+FFF | AAA |
> > |Telnaior |+FFF |+FFF |+FFF |+AAA |+FFF |+FFF |
> > |天火狐 Z| FFF | FFF | FFF | AAA | FFF | AAA |
> > |Trigon | FFF | P | AAA | AAA | FFF | P |
> > |twg | FFF | FFF | FFF | AAA | FFF | AAA |
> > |V.J. Rada 5b.| | | | FF | | |
> > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > |FOR | 31 | 27 | 12 | 8 | 25 | 10 |
> > |AGAINST | 0 | 0 | 15 | 28 | 3 | 18 |
> > |Ballots | 10 | 10 | 10 | 12 | 10 | 10 |
> > |Resolved |ADOP.|ADOP.|REJE.|REJE.|ADOP.|REJE.|
> > ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
> > Key:
> > PM Prime Minister
> > Z Zombie
> >
> > -   Extricated conditional
> > x Inextricable conditional
> > #b. Possesses # blots
> >
> >
> > RIBBONS EARNED IN THIS RESOLUTION
> >
> > ==
> >
> > This section is purely informational and does not self-ratify.
> > Player Ribbon Proposal(s)
> >
> > Trigon Orange 8133
> > G. Orange 8134
> >
> > TEXT OF ADOPTED PROPOSALS
> >
> > ==
> >
> > This section is purely informational and does not self-ratify.
> > //
> > ID: 8133
> > Title: Proposals aren't worth that much
> > Adoption index: 1.0
> > Author: Trigon
> > Co-authors:
> > Amend rule 2496 by replacing the text "the total strength of all valid
> > ballots", wherever it appears, to "the number of valid ballots".
> > //
> > ID: 8134
> > Title: The judge switch
> > Adoption index: 2.0
> > Author: G.
> > Co-authors:
> > Amend R991 (Calls for Judgement) by replacing the paragraph beginning
> > "When a CFJ has no judge assigned" with the following text:
> > Judge is an untracked CFJ switch with possible values of any
> > person or "unassigned" (default). To "assign" a CFJ to a person
> > is to flip that CFJ's judge to that person. To "remove" or
> > "recuse" a person from a being the judge of a CFJ is to flip that
> > CFJ's judge from that person to unassigned.
> > When a CFJ's judge is unassigned, the Arbitor CAN assign any
> > eligible player to be its judge by announcement, and SHALL do so
> > in a timely fashion. The players eligible to be assigned as judge
> > are all active players except the initiator and the person barred
> > (if any). The Arbitor SHALL assign judges over time such that all
> > interested players have reasonably equal opportunities to judge.
> > If a CFJ has no judge assigned, then any player eligible to judge
> > that CFJ CAN assign it to emself Without 3 Objections.
> > [I think all instances of judge assignment/removal work with the
> > above definitions, without further modification].
> > 

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8133-8138

[Gaelan Steele]

Did I really vote FOR 8136? IIRC I ENDORSED the last person to vote FOR, and 
someone else did as well (that may have been Jacob, who changed eir vote to 
endorse me). Either way, I *think* that’s an inextricable conditional that 
resolves to PRESENT.

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:51 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey  wrote:
> 
> I resolve the Agoran Decisions to adopt each of Proposals 8133-8138 as
> follows.
> 
> -twg
> 
> 
> SUMMARY
> 
> This section self-ratifies.
> 
> IDAuthor(s)  Title  Result
> 
> 8133  Trigon Proposals aren't worth *that* much ADOPTED
> 8134  G. The judge switch   ADOPTED
> 8135  twg, D. MargauxBlot Decay (Reprise)   REJECTED
> 8136  V.J. Rada  I hate myself  REJECTED
> 8137  Aris, twg, Trigon  Uncorrecting Rewards   ADOPTED
> 8138  twgAccess to contracts' assetsREJECTED
> 
> 10 ballots were cast on Proposal 8138, so Quorum on Agoran Decisions is
> now 7 except where otherwise stated.
> 
> 
> TALLY OF VOTES
> 
> This section does not self-ratify. Which is just as well really, because
> I bet someone will try to CoE it.
> 
> +-+-+-+-+-+-+
> | 8133| 8134| 8135| 8136| 8137| 8138|
> ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
> |AI  | 1.0 | 2.0 | 2.0 | 3.0 | 3.0 | 2.5 |
> |Quorum  |  6  |  6  |  6  |  6  |  6  |  6  |
> ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
> |Aris| FFF | FFF | FFF | AAA | FFF | FFF |
> |ATMunnPM| |+FFF |  P  | | | |
> |D. Margaux  | | | |+AAA | | |
> |G.  |+FFF | FFF | AAA | AAA |+FFF | AAA |
> |Gaelan  |+FFF |+FFF | AAA |+FFF |  P  |+AAA |
> |Jacob Arduino   |+FFF |+FFF |+AAA |+FFF |+AAA |+AAA |
> |pokes  Z|+FFF | FFF | AAA | AAA |+FFF | AAA |
> |Telnaior|+FFF |+FFF |+FFF |+AAA |+FFF |+FFF |
> |天火狐  Z| FFF | FFF | FFF | AAA | FFF | AAA |
> |Trigon  | FFF |  P  | AAA | AAA | FFF |  P  |
> |twg | FFF | FFF | FFF | AAA | FFF | AAA |
> |V.J. Rada5b.| | | | FF  | | |
> ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
> |FOR | 31  | 27  | 12  |  8  | 25  | 10  |
> |AGAINST |  0  |  0  | 15  | 28  |  3  | 18  |
> |Ballots | 10  | 10  | 10  | 12  | 10  | 10  |
> |Resolved|ADOP.|ADOP.|REJE.|REJE.|ADOP.|REJE.|
> ++-+-+-+-+-+-+
> 
> Key:
> PM  Prime Minister
> Z   Zombie
> +   Extricated conditional
> x   Inextricable conditional
> #b. Possesses # blots
> 
> 
> RIBBONS EARNED IN THIS RESOLUTION
> 
> This section is purely informational and does not self-ratify.
> 
>   PlayerRibbonProposal(s)
>   -------
>   TrigonOrange8133
>   G.Orange8134
> 
> 
> TEXT OF ADOPTED PROPOSALS
> 
> This section is purely informational and does not self-ratify.
> 
> //
> ID: 8133
> Title: Proposals aren't worth *that* much
> Adoption index: 1.0
> Author: Trigon
> Co-authors:
> 
> 
> Amend rule 2496 by replacing the text "the total strength of all valid
> ballots", wherever it appears, to "the number of valid ballots".
> 
> //
> ID: 8134
> Title: The judge switch
> Adoption index: 2.0
> Author: G.
> Co-authors:
> 
> 
> Amend R991 (Calls for Judgement) by replacing the paragraph beginning
> "When a CFJ has no judge assigned" with the following text:
> 
>  Judge is an untracked CFJ switch with possible values of any
>  person or "unassigned" (default).  To "assign" a CFJ to a person
>  is to flip that CFJ's judge to that person.  To "remove" or
>  "recuse" a person from a being the judge of a CFJ is to flip that
>  CFJ's judge from that person to unassigned.
> 
>  When a CFJ's judge is unassigned, the Arbitor CAN assign any
>  eligible player to be its judge by announcement, and SHALL do so
>  in a timely fashion. The players eligible to be assigned as judge
>  are all active players except the initiator and the person barred
>  (if any). The Arbitor SHALL assign judges over time such that all
>  interested players have reasonably equal opportunities to judge.
>  If a CFJ has no judge assigned, then any player eligible to judge
>  that CFJ CAN assign it to emself Without 3 Objections.
> 
> 
> [I think all instances of judge assignment/removal work 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ Assignments

[D. Margaux]

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 8:05 PM, ATMunn  wrote:
> 
> CFJ 3690, that is.
> 
>> On 12/2/2018 8:04 PM, ATMunn wrote:
>> What message thread was CFJ 2690 called under?

Here is the CFJ Email thread:

Cfj

> -- Forwarded message -
> From: Timon Walshe-Grey
> Date: Fri, Nov 30, 2018 at 7:19 PM
> Subject: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [minority] Report
> To: agora-busin...@agoranomic.org
> 
> 
> With which in mind:
> 
> I Impose the Cold Hand of Justice by levying a fine of 1 blot on G. for 
> Tardiness in failing to publish a Herald monthly report in the month of 
> November 2018. This has been reduced from the base value of 2 blots because e 
> was aware and apologetic for eir mistake, it didn't have any significant game 
> effect, and we got an interesting CFJ out of it.
> 
> This violation is forgivable. G. CAN, in a timely fashion, expunge 1 blot 
> from emself by publishing a formal apology of at least 200 words containing 
> the words "indolence", "sin-ridden", "underhanded", "delinquent" and 
> "buffalo", explaining eir error, shame, remorse, and ardent desire for 
> self-improvement.
> 
> CFJ: "G. possesses at least one blot."
> 
> If the above Imposition of the Cold Hand of Justice failed, then by 
> definition this Finger Pointing must be Shenanigans, so I announce that fact.
> 
> -twg
> 
> 
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Friday, November 30, 2018 11:26 PM, Timon Walshe-Grey  
> wrote:
> 
> > I... can't see any specific reason why it wouldn't work, unless this is one 
> > of those black-magic emergent properties of the rules that come up 
> > occasionally. R2531 blocks punishment for a crime more than 14 days before 
> > the Pointed Finger, but it doesn't explicitly say anything about crimes 
> > after the Pointed Finger (although there is an implicit time limit because 
> > the Referee has to resolve the Finger in a timely fashion, and if the 
> > violation hasn't occurred by then then it would have to be Shenanigans).
> >
> > So I believe I have two legal options:
> >
> > -   declare this Finger Pointing Shenanigans now, or
> > -   wait until December (35 minutes) and then levy a fine on you.
> >
> > -twg
> >
> > ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> > On Friday, November 30, 2018 11:18 PM, Kerim Aydin 
> > ke...@u.washington.edu wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I point my finger at G., for failure to publish the Herald's Monthly
> > > Report in November.
> > > Disclaimer: Referee, please note the time/date of the finger point. This
> > > is not an attempt to avoid consequences, nor mislead anyone on the
> > > effectiveness of the above action. I spaced out on getting the report
> > > done, and forgot until now that I need to go back and look at that batch
> > > of winning earlier, and won't be able to do it in time, so deserve
> > > appropriate consequences for that.
> > > At the same time, I'm damn curious about whether it works...
> 
> 
> 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ Assignments

[ATMunn]

CFJ 3690, that is.

On 12/2/2018 8:04 PM, ATMunn wrote:

What message thread was CFJ 2690 called under?

On 12/2/2018 8:02 PM, D. Margaux wrote:


On Fri, Nov 30, 2018, twg wrote:


CFJ: "G. possesses at least one blot."


This is CFJ 3690. I assign it to ATMunn.



On Sun, 2 Dec 2018, Jacob Arduino wrote:

CFJ: "the last person to vote FOR a proposal" is the last person to 
submit

a ballot regarding that proposal which evaluates to FOR.


This is CFJ 3691. I assign it to G.

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ Assignments

[ATMunn]

What message thread was CFJ 2690 called under?

On 12/2/2018 8:02 PM, D. Margaux wrote:


On Fri, Nov 30, 2018, twg wrote:


CFJ: "G. possesses at least one blot."


This is CFJ 3690. I assign it to ATMunn.



On Sun, 2 Dec 2018, Jacob Arduino wrote:


CFJ: "the last person to vote FOR a proposal" is the last person to submit
a ballot regarding that proposal which evaluates to FOR.


This is CFJ 3691. I assign it to G.

DIS: Re: BUS: Weekly maintenance

[Timon Walshe-Grey]

I create 5 coins in my possession for publishing the most recent Treasuror 
weekly report.
I create 5 coins in my possession for publishing the most recent Tailor monthly 
report.
I create 5 coins in my possession for publishing the most recent Referee weekly 
report.

I act on behalf of Tenhigitsune (天火狐) to transfer all eir liquid assets to 
myself.

-twg


‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Sunday, December 2, 2018 10:47 PM, Edward Murphy  wrote:

> I expunge one of my Blots.
>
> I create 5 coins in my possession for publishing the ADoP report.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8133-8138

[Timon Walshe-Grey]

This fails, as do Aris' and ATMunn's attempts to change their votes, because 
the voting periods for these proposals ended at 10:35pm.

-twg


‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
On Sunday, December 2, 2018 10:39 PM, Edward Murphy  wrote:

> > 8133 Trigon 1.0 Proposals aren't worth that much
> FOR
>
> > 8134 G. 2.0 The judge switch
>
> endorse the Arbitor
>
> > 8135 twg, D Margaux 2.0 Blot Decay (Reprise)
>
> FOR
>
> > 8136 V.J. Rada 3.0 I hate myself
>
> AGAINT
>
> > 8137 Aris, twg, Trigon 3.0 Uncorrecting Rewards
>
> FOR
>
> > 8138 twg 2.5 Access to contracts' assets
>
> FOR (private transfers sound like an interesting thing to test)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8133-8138

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 2 Dec 2018, Aris Merchant wrote:
> Wait, how should I vote? I saw some conditional weirdness, but didn’t read
> through it.

8138 is missing a critical "by announcement" therefore broken (if it
passes, it just keeps the status quo because the new functionality is
all that's broken there).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] The Agoran Directory

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 2 Dec 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote:
> On Sun, 2 Dec 2018, D. Margaux wrote:
> 
> > Does that actually work though?
> > 
> > I don’t see any provision that resets the resale value to 2 after the master
> > switch is set back to the player. So I think nichdel’s resale value is still
> > 1, because eir master switch was previously transferred to me.
> 
> Resale value is a zombie switch, so while e is not a zombie eir resale value
> simply does not exist.  (Or does it?  After writing the below I'm wondering if
> rule 2240 might mess this up too because the provision that says it doesn't
> exist is early in rule 2162.)

FWIW that's on purpose, I intended it to work that way (and stepped through
it) when I wrote it.  But I presupposed that each time a person becomes a
zombie, a "new" instance of the resale switch is created, that's a different
instance than any previous one, therefore starting out at default. But you're
right - it's not at all clear that this presupposition is true.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8133-8138

[Aris Merchant]

Wait, how should I vote? I saw some conditional weirdness, but didn’t read
through it.

-Aris

On Sun, Dec 2, 2018 at 4:45 AM Timon Walshe-Grey  wrote:

> Oh dear, someone's not been paying attention. :P
>
> Just to make sure it doesn't actually pass, I change my vote on Proposal
> 8138 to AGAINST, and act on behalf of Tenhigitsune (天火狐) to do the same for
> eir vote.
>
> -twg
>
>
> ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐
> On Sunday, December 2, 2018 8:10 AM, Aris Merchant <
> thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > FOR all, excluding 8136, on which I vote AGAINST. On behalf of Telnaior,
> > Telnaior endorses Aris on each of these decisions.
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 5:07 PM ATMunn iamingodsa...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > I vote as follows:
> > >
> > > > 8133 Trigon 1.0 Proposals aren't worth that much
> > > > FOR
> > > > 8134 G. 2.0 The judge switch
> > > > ENDORSE Aris, it seems fine to me but e is good about spotting bugs
> in
> > > > things like this
> > > > 8135 twg, D Margaux 2.0 Blot Decay (Reprise)
> > > > PRESENT
> > > > 8136 V.J. Rada 3.0 I hate myself
> > > > AGAINST
> > > > 8137 Aris, twg, Trigon 3.0 Uncorrecting Rewards
> > > > FOR, I assume this has been properly worked out?
> > > > 8138 twg 2.5 Access to contracts' assets
> > > > FOR
>
>
>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] The Agoran Directory

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Sun, 2 Dec 2018, D. Margaux wrote:


Does that actually work though?

I don’t see any provision that resets the resale value to 2 after the 
master switch is set back to the player. So I think nichdel’s resale 
value is still 1, because eir master switch was previously transferred 
to me.


Resale value is a zombie switch, so while e is not a zombie eir resale 
value simply does not exist.  (Or does it?  After writing the below I'm 
wondering if rule 2240 might mess this up too because the provision that 
says it doesn't exist is early in rule 2162.)


However, it occurs to me that rule 2162 is not obviously clear on what 
happens when e again _does_ come to have an instance of that switch. 
There are possibly competing provisions, and the later (which by rule 2240 
would take precedence) _might_ imply it's set to the same value as the 
last time it had one:


   At any given time, each instance of a switch has exactly one
   possible value for that type of switch. If an instance of a switch
   comes to have a value, it ceases to have any other value. If an
   instance of a switch would otherwise fail to have a possible
   value, it comes to have its default value.

[...]

   If an action or set of actions would cause the value of an
   instance of a switch to become indeterminate, the instance instead
   takes on its last determinate and possible value, if any,
   otherwise it takes on its default value.

It depends on what it takes for a switch value to become indeterminate - 
does the first provision trigger to prevent it from happening, before the 
second one does?


Greetings,
Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] The Agoran Directory

[D. Margaux]

Does that actually work though?

I don’t see any provision that resets the resale value to 2 after the master 
switch is set back to the player. So I think nichdel’s resale value is still 1, 
because eir master switch was previously transferred to me. 

Next time nichdel is resold, eir resale value will decline by 1 again.  

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 3:06 PM, Kerim Aydin  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sun, 2 Dec 2018, ATMunn wrote:
>>> On 12/2/2018 1:07 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
>>> CoE:  it is self-comtradictory to list Nichdel as a zombie if eir
>>> master switch is emself - e is not a zombie and has no resale value.
>> 
>> Right. I'm a derp. I accept this CoE and publish the following revision:
> 
> Keeping a zombie in the game via setting eir master switch back to emself
> is a cool, non-intuitive trick that I never thought about until Gaelan
> did eir thing.  I really like that unexpected feature - it reminds me of
> the genie's third wish in Aladdin.  Todo:  rename "zombies" as "genies"
> (more positive connotation if we're not trying to scare each other).
> 
> 
> 

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] The Agoran Directory

[Kerim Aydin]

On Sun, 2 Dec 2018, ATMunn wrote:
> On 12/2/2018 1:07 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote:
> > CoE:  it is self-comtradictory to list Nichdel as a zombie if eir
> > master switch is emself - e is not a zombie and has no resale value.
> 
> Right. I'm a derp. I accept this CoE and publish the following revision:

Keeping a zombie in the game via setting eir master switch back to emself
is a cool, non-intuitive trick that I never thought about until Gaelan
did eir thing.  I really like that unexpected feature - it reminds me of
the genie's third wish in Aladdin.  Todo:  rename "zombies" as "genies"
(more positive connotation if we're not trying to scare each other).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] The Agoran Directory

[Gaelan Steele]

Derp. I was reading it upside down

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 10:38 AM, ATMunn  wrote:
> 
> It's in there?
> 
>> On 12/2/2018 1:08 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote:
>> Also, this doesn’t ratify, but it’s missing in the events section.
>>> On Dec 2, 2018, at 6:55 AM, ATMunn  wrote:
>>> 
>>> On 12/1/2018 3:06 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote:
 CoE: My nichdel shenanigans are missing.
>>> 
>>> I accept this CoE and publish the following revision:
>>> 
>>> 
>>>The Agoran Directory
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Date of last report: 05 Nov 2018
>>> Date of this report: 01 Dec 2018
>>> (all times UTC)
>>> 
>>> Recent Events (recent events section not ratifying)
>>> 
>>> 20-Oct-18 11:50:47  Hālian registers.  Welcome, Hālian!
>>> 22-Oct-18 03:16:29  Gaelan makes emself active.  Welcome back, Gaelan!
>>> 31-Oct-18 19:54:10  Tarhalindur registers.  Welcome, Tarhalindur!
>>> 31-Oct-18 21:02:55  Registrar initiates zombie auction for pokes, 天火狐.
>>> 01-Nov-18 05:39:20  Registrar initiates zombie auction for V.J. Rada.
>>> 01-Nov-18 21:32:32  V.J. Rada makes emself active, terminating eir zombie
>>>auction. Welcome back, V.J. Rada!
>>> 05-Nov-18 15:12:39  G. flips pokes' master to G. (auction winner).
>>> 05-Nov-18 20:55:38  twg flips 天火狐's master switch to twg (auction winner).
>>> 
>>> (time of last report)
>>> 
>>> 12-Nov-18 01:14:14  Gaelan acts on behalf of D. Margaux to act on behalf of
>>>nichdel to flip eir master switch to emself.
>>> 12-Nov-18 15:54:54  Jacob Arduino registers.  Welcome, Jacob Ardruino!
>>> 
>>> [let me know if I missed anything, but it seems like this is it]
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Players (20) (by Rule 869, Persons with 'Registered' Citizenship, z=zombie)
>>> 
>>>  Player   Contact Registered
>>>  --   --- --
>>>  omd  comexk at gmail.com [3] 03 Feb 11
>>>  Aris thoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com   13 Sep 16
>>>  P. Scholasticus [1]  pscriboniusscholasticus at gmail.com[2] 16 Apr 17
>>>  Gaelan   gbs at canishe.com  15 May 17
>>>  G.   kerim at u.washington.edu   25 Aug 17
>>>  Cuddle Beam  cuddlebeam at gmail.com 25 Aug 17
>>>  Trigon   reuben.staley at gmail.com  24 Sep 17
>>>  Corona   liliumalbum.agora at gmail.com  17 Nov 17
>>>  Murphy   emurphy42 at zoho.com   17 Dec 17
>>>  V.J. Radaedwardostrange at gmail.com[5]  29 Dec 17
>>>  ATMunn   iamingodsarmy at gmail.com  11 Mar 18
>>>  twg  me at timon.red 24 May 18
>>>  D. Margaux   dmargaux000 at gmail.com[4] 25 Aug 18
>>>  Lprmcd16 at yahoo.com20 Sep 18
>>>  Hālian   halian at safiria.net   20 Oct 18
>>>  Tarhalindur  ahzin23 at icstudents.org   31 Oct 18
>>>  Jacob Arduinojacobarduino at gmail.com   12 Nov 18
>>> z  nichdel  nichdel at gmail.com29 Jun 17
>>> z  pokespokes at botnoise.org   11 Dec 17
>>> z  天火狐 draconicdarkness at gmail.com   06 Nov 16
>>> z  Telnaior jdga at iinet.net.au20 Oct 17
>>> 
>>> [1] In full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
>>> [2] officially, but technically equivalent p.scribonius.scholasticus at
>>> googlemail.com
>>> [3] officially, but technically equivalent c.ome.xk at gmail.com
>>> [4] also known as D Margaux
>>> [5] aka VJ Rada
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Zombie Master and Resale switches (self-ratifying)
>>> 
>>> Zombie  Master   Resale   Agora was last eir Master on
>>> TelnaiorAris 105-Sep-18 06:46:28
>>> nichdel nichdel  109-Sep-18 17:17:16
>>> pokes   G.   005-Nov-18 15:12:39
>>> 天火狐twg  005-Nov-18 20:55:38
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Fora (Rule 478, self-ratifying)
>>> 
>>> Type Location  Typical use
>>>    ---
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>>> Public   agora-business at agoranomic.org  other business
>>> Discussion   agora-discussion at agoranomic.orgdiscussion
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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] The Agoran Directory

[ATMunn]

It's in there?

On 12/2/2018 1:08 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote:

Also, this doesn’t ratify, but it’s missing in the events section.


On Dec 2, 2018, at 6:55 AM, ATMunn  wrote:

On 12/1/2018 3:06 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote:

CoE: My nichdel shenanigans are missing.


I accept this CoE and publish the following revision:


The Agoran Directory


Date of last report: 05 Nov 2018
Date of this report: 01 Dec 2018
(all times UTC)

Recent Events (recent events section not ratifying)

20-Oct-18 11:50:47  Hālian registers.  Welcome, Hālian!
22-Oct-18 03:16:29  Gaelan makes emself active.  Welcome back, Gaelan!
31-Oct-18 19:54:10  Tarhalindur registers.  Welcome, Tarhalindur!
31-Oct-18 21:02:55  Registrar initiates zombie auction for pokes, 天火狐.
01-Nov-18 05:39:20  Registrar initiates zombie auction for V.J. Rada.
01-Nov-18 21:32:32  V.J. Rada makes emself active, terminating eir zombie
auction. Welcome back, V.J. Rada!
05-Nov-18 15:12:39  G. flips pokes' master to G. (auction winner).
05-Nov-18 20:55:38  twg flips 天火狐's master switch to twg (auction winner).

(time of last report)

12-Nov-18 01:14:14  Gaelan acts on behalf of D. Margaux to act on behalf of
nichdel to flip eir master switch to emself.
12-Nov-18 15:54:54  Jacob Arduino registers.  Welcome, Jacob Ardruino!

[let me know if I missed anything, but it seems like this is it]


Players (20) (by Rule 869, Persons with 'Registered' Citizenship, z=zombie)

  Player   Contact Registered
  --   --- --
  omd  comexk at gmail.com [3] 03 Feb 11
  Aris thoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com   13 Sep 16
  P. Scholasticus [1]  pscriboniusscholasticus at gmail.com[2] 16 Apr 17
  Gaelan   gbs at canishe.com  15 May 17
  G.   kerim at u.washington.edu   25 Aug 17
  Cuddle Beam  cuddlebeam at gmail.com 25 Aug 17
  Trigon   reuben.staley at gmail.com  24 Sep 17
  Corona   liliumalbum.agora at gmail.com  17 Nov 17
  Murphy   emurphy42 at zoho.com   17 Dec 17
  V.J. Radaedwardostrange at gmail.com[5]  29 Dec 17
  ATMunn   iamingodsarmy at gmail.com  11 Mar 18
  twg  me at timon.red 24 May 18
  D. Margaux   dmargaux000 at gmail.com[4] 25 Aug 18
  Lprmcd16 at yahoo.com20 Sep 18
  Hālian   halian at safiria.net   20 Oct 18
  Tarhalindur  ahzin23 at icstudents.org   31 Oct 18
  Jacob Arduinojacobarduino at gmail.com   12 Nov 18
z  nichdel  nichdel at gmail.com29 Jun 17
z  pokespokes at botnoise.org   11 Dec 17
z  天火狐 draconicdarkness at gmail.com   06 Nov 16
z  Telnaior jdga at iinet.net.au20 Oct 17

[1] In full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
[2] officially, but technically equivalent p.scribonius.scholasticus at
googlemail.com
[3] officially, but technically equivalent c.ome.xk at gmail.com
[4] also known as D Margaux
[5] aka VJ Rada


Zombie Master and Resale switches (self-ratifying)

Zombie  Master   Resale   Agora was last eir Master on
TelnaiorAris 105-Sep-18 06:46:28
nichdel nichdel  109-Sep-18 17:17:16
pokes   G.   005-Nov-18 15:12:39
天火狐twg  005-Nov-18 20:55:38


Fora (Rule 478, self-ratifying)

Type Location  Typical use
   ---
Public   agora-official at agoranomic.org  official reports
Public   agora-business at agoranomic.org  other business
Discussion   agora-discussion at agoranomic.orgdiscussion
Discussion   irc://irc.freenode.net:6667/##nomic
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Writs of FAGE (Rule 1789)
PlayerDate
--
Kelly 17 Sep 95
Andre 13 Feb 99
BobTHJ16 Jan 08
P1 5 Nov 08
P2 5 Nov 08
P3 

Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] Agora can into space

[Gaelan Steele]

Comments inline

Gaelan

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 5:11 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey  wrote:
> 
> Figured I'd pick this up and run with it since ATMunn said e lost interest. I 
> mainly just looked over other issues people pointed out and fixed them, as 
> well as rearranging a few other things, but unfortunately I forgot to keep a 
> note of each thing I modified so there's no changelog. Still, I think it is 
> fairly intelligible.
> 
> -twg
> 
> //
> Title: spaaace? v0.3
> Adoption index: 1.0
> Author: twg
> Co-authors: Aris, ATMunn, CuddleBeam, D. Margaux, G., Gaelan, Murphy,
>Ørjan, Trigon
> 
> Enact a new rule entitled "Sectors", with power 1.0 and the following
> text:
> {
>Sectors are entities; each Sector has an ID number, which is a
>unique positive integer. Creating, altering or destroying Sectors
>is secured.
> 
>If no Spaceship is in a particular Sector, then that Sector is
>"empty"; otherwise it is "occupied".
> 
>Two Sectors are "adjacent" if their IDs differ by exactly 1.
> }
> 
> Enact a new rule entitled "Galaxy Maintenance", with power 1.0 and the
> following text:
> {
>Ideal Sector Count is the number of Spaceships plus two.
> 
>If there are ever fewer Sectors than the Ideal Sector Count, then
>the Astronomor CAN and SHALL, by announcement, create a new
>Sector, specifying its number.
> 
>If there are ever more Sectors than the Ideal Sector Count, then
>the Astronomor CAN and SHALL, by announcement, destroy an empty
>Sector.
> 
>If there is ever a Sector with an ID number higher than the total
>number of Sectors, then the Astronomor CAN and SHALL, by
>announcement, alter that Sector's ID number to a different valid
>value equal to or less than the total number of Sectors.

This could be abused by the Astronomor to “teleport.” For instance, if someone 
deregisters and the astronomer was in the highest sector, they could 
intentionally destroy a low sector and renumber their sector to quickly get 
across the galaxy. But maybe this is within the realm of “legal office abuse."

>For the Astronomor to allow a continuous period of 7 days to pass
>in which any of the above actions is POSSIBLE is the Class-3 Crime
>of Galaxy Neglect.

This could be shortened to “Violation of this rule is the Class-3 Crime of 
Galaxy Neglect."

> }
> 
> Enact a new rule entitled "The Astronomor", with power 1.0 and the
> following text:
> {
>The Astronomor is an office. The Astronomor's weekly report
>includes, in addition to any information required by other rules,
>a list of all Sectors and their ID numbers.
> }
> 
> Enact a new rule entitled "Spaceships", with power 1.0 and the
> following text:
> {
>Spaceships are a class of fixed asset, tracked by the Astronomor,
>with ownership restricted to players. The following are Spaceship
>switches, tracked by the Astronomor:
> 
>* Location (possible values any Sector, defaulting to the Sector
>  with the lowest ID number);
> 
>* Armour (an integer switch limited to values from 0 to 10
>  inclusive).
> 
>A Spaceship is "in" its Location. For a Spaceship to "move" to a
>Sector is for its Location to be flipped to that Sector. When a
>player registers, a Spaceship is created in eir possession. When
>a Spaceship is created, it immediately moves to the
>lowest-numbered empty Sector, if any.
> 
>A Spaceship with an Armour of 0 is "Defeated". A Spaceship is
>"Pilotable" if it is neither Defeated nor engaging in a Space
>Battle.
> 
>Any player CAN, by announcement, spend a coin to increase the
>Armour of a Pilotable Spaceship e owns by 1. This is called
>"Repairing" the Spaceship.
> }
> 
> Enact a new rule entitled "Spaceship Energy", with power 1.0 and the
> following text:
> {
>Energy is a fixed currency, tracked by the Astronomor, with
>ownership restricted to Spaceships. If a Spaceship's Energy
>balance exceeds 20, any excess Energy it possesses is destroyed.
> 
>When a Spaceship is created, 20 Energy is created in its
>possession.
> 
>At the start of each Agoran day, each Pilotable Spaceship gains 2
>Energy. Any player also CAN, by announcement, pay 2 coins to grant
>a Pilotable Spaceship e owns 1 Energy.

Is “grant” defined?

> 
>Any player CAN, by announcement, cause a Pilotable Spaceship e
>owns to pay 1 Energy to move to a Sector adjacent to its Location.
> }
> 
> Enact a new rule entitled "Space Battles", with power 1.0 and the
> following text:
> {
>Two players are "allied" if they agree to be allied or if one is
>the master of the other; otherwise they are "opponents". For the
>purposes of this rule, agreement includes both consent and
>agreement specified by contract.

Given our current case law, I think “Hey, you wanna be allies?” “Sure” would 
count as a contract, so we could 

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] The Agoran Directory

[Gaelan Steele]

Also, this doesn’t ratify, but it’s missing in the events section.

> On Dec 2, 2018, at 6:55 AM, ATMunn  wrote:
> 
> On 12/1/2018 3:06 PM, Gaelan Steele wrote:
>> CoE: My nichdel shenanigans are missing.
> 
> I accept this CoE and publish the following revision:
> 
> 
>The Agoran Directory
> 
> 
> Date of last report: 05 Nov 2018
> Date of this report: 01 Dec 2018
> (all times UTC)
> 
> Recent Events (recent events section not ratifying)
> 
> 20-Oct-18 11:50:47  Hālian registers.  Welcome, Hālian!
> 22-Oct-18 03:16:29  Gaelan makes emself active.  Welcome back, Gaelan!
> 31-Oct-18 19:54:10  Tarhalindur registers.  Welcome, Tarhalindur!
> 31-Oct-18 21:02:55  Registrar initiates zombie auction for pokes, 天火狐.
> 01-Nov-18 05:39:20  Registrar initiates zombie auction for V.J. Rada.
> 01-Nov-18 21:32:32  V.J. Rada makes emself active, terminating eir zombie
>auction. Welcome back, V.J. Rada!
> 05-Nov-18 15:12:39  G. flips pokes' master to G. (auction winner).
> 05-Nov-18 20:55:38  twg flips 天火狐's master switch to twg (auction winner).
> 
> (time of last report)
> 
> 12-Nov-18 01:14:14  Gaelan acts on behalf of D. Margaux to act on behalf of
>nichdel to flip eir master switch to emself.
> 12-Nov-18 15:54:54  Jacob Arduino registers.  Welcome, Jacob Ardruino!
> 
> [let me know if I missed anything, but it seems like this is it]
> 
> 
> Players (20) (by Rule 869, Persons with 'Registered' Citizenship, z=zombie)
> 
>  Player   Contact Registered
>  --   --- --
>  omd  comexk at gmail.com [3] 03 Feb 11
>  Aris thoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com   13 Sep 16
>  P. Scholasticus [1]  pscriboniusscholasticus at gmail.com[2] 16 Apr 17
>  Gaelan   gbs at canishe.com  15 May 17
>  G.   kerim at u.washington.edu   25 Aug 17
>  Cuddle Beam  cuddlebeam at gmail.com 25 Aug 17
>  Trigon   reuben.staley at gmail.com  24 Sep 17
>  Corona   liliumalbum.agora at gmail.com  17 Nov 17
>  Murphy   emurphy42 at zoho.com   17 Dec 17
>  V.J. Radaedwardostrange at gmail.com[5]  29 Dec 17
>  ATMunn   iamingodsarmy at gmail.com  11 Mar 18
>  twg  me at timon.red 24 May 18
>  D. Margaux   dmargaux000 at gmail.com[4] 25 Aug 18
>  Lprmcd16 at yahoo.com20 Sep 18
>  Hālian   halian at safiria.net   20 Oct 18
>  Tarhalindur  ahzin23 at icstudents.org   31 Oct 18
>  Jacob Arduinojacobarduino at gmail.com   12 Nov 18
> z  nichdel  nichdel at gmail.com29 Jun 17
> z  pokespokes at botnoise.org   11 Dec 17
> z  天火狐 draconicdarkness at gmail.com   06 Nov 16
> z  Telnaior jdga at iinet.net.au20 Oct 17
> 
> [1] In full, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
> [2] officially, but technically equivalent p.scribonius.scholasticus at
> googlemail.com
> [3] officially, but technically equivalent c.ome.xk at gmail.com
> [4] also known as D Margaux
> [5] aka VJ Rada
> 
> 
> Zombie Master and Resale switches (self-ratifying)
> 
> Zombie  Master   Resale   Agora was last eir Master on
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Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] Agora can into space

[Ørjan Johansen]

On Sun, 2 Dec 2018, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:


Enact a new rule entitled "The Astronomor", with power 1.0 and the
following text:
{
   The Astronomor is an office. The Astronomor's weekly report
   includes, in addition to any information required by other rules,
   a list of all Sectors and their ID numbers.
}


Suddenly I envision this should be "Astronomican".

Despite never having played the game...

Greetings,
Ørjan.

Re: DIS: [Proto-proposal] Agora can into space

[ATMunn]

Hey, thanks for taking this up. I had assumed everybody had forgotten 
about it. This certainly is much nicer than anything else I could ever do.


On 12/2/2018 8:11 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey wrote:

Figured I'd pick this up and run with it since ATMunn said e lost interest. I 
mainly just looked over other issues people pointed out and fixed them, as well 
as rearranging a few other things, but unfortunately I forgot to keep a note of 
each thing I modified so there's no changelog. Still, I think it is fairly 
intelligible.

-twg

//
Title: spaaace? v0.3
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: twg
Co-authors: Aris, ATMunn, CuddleBeam, D. Margaux, G., Gaelan, Murphy,
 Ørjan, Trigon

Enact a new rule entitled "Sectors", with power 1.0 and the following
text:
{
 Sectors are entities; each Sector has an ID number, which is a
 unique positive integer. Creating, altering or destroying Sectors
 is secured.

 If no Spaceship is in a particular Sector, then that Sector is
 "empty"; otherwise it is "occupied".

 Two Sectors are "adjacent" if their IDs differ by exactly 1.
}

Enact a new rule entitled "Galaxy Maintenance", with power 1.0 and the
following text:
{
 Ideal Sector Count is the number of Spaceships plus two.

 If there are ever fewer Sectors than the Ideal Sector Count, then
 the Astronomor CAN and SHALL, by announcement, create a new
 Sector, specifying its number.

 If there are ever more Sectors than the Ideal Sector Count, then
 the Astronomor CAN and SHALL, by announcement, destroy an empty
 Sector.

 If there is ever a Sector with an ID number higher than the total
 number of Sectors, then the Astronomor CAN and SHALL, by
 announcement, alter that Sector's ID number to a different valid
 value equal to or less than the total number of Sectors.

 For the Astronomor to allow a continuous period of 7 days to pass
 in which any of the above actions is POSSIBLE is the Class-3 Crime
 of Galaxy Neglect.
}

Enact a new rule entitled "The Astronomor", with power 1.0 and the
following text:
{
 The Astronomor is an office. The Astronomor's weekly report
 includes, in addition to any information required by other rules,
 a list of all Sectors and their ID numbers.
}

Enact a new rule entitled "Spaceships", with power 1.0 and the
following text:
{
 Spaceships are a class of fixed asset, tracked by the Astronomor,
 with ownership restricted to players. The following are Spaceship
 switches, tracked by the Astronomor:

 * Location (possible values any Sector, defaulting to the Sector
   with the lowest ID number);

 * Armour (an integer switch limited to values from 0 to 10
   inclusive).

 A Spaceship is "in" its Location. For a Spaceship to "move" to a
 Sector is for its Location to be flipped to that Sector. When a
 player registers, a Spaceship is created in eir possession. When
 a Spaceship is created, it immediately moves to the
 lowest-numbered empty Sector, if any.

 A Spaceship with an Armour of 0 is "Defeated". A Spaceship is
 "Pilotable" if it is neither Defeated nor engaging in a Space
 Battle.

 Any player CAN, by announcement, spend a coin to increase the
 Armour of a Pilotable Spaceship e owns by 1. This is called
 "Repairing" the Spaceship.
}

Enact a new rule entitled "Spaceship Energy", with power 1.0 and the
following text:
{
 Energy is a fixed currency, tracked by the Astronomor, with
 ownership restricted to Spaceships. If a Spaceship's Energy
 balance exceeds 20, any excess Energy it possesses is destroyed.

 When a Spaceship is created, 20 Energy is created in its
 possession.

 At the start of each Agoran day, each Pilotable Spaceship gains 2
 Energy. Any player also CAN, by announcement, pay 2 coins to grant
 a Pilotable Spaceship e owns 1 Energy.

 Any player CAN, by announcement, cause a Pilotable Spaceship e
 owns to pay 1 Energy to move to a Sector adjacent to its Location.
}

Enact a new rule entitled "Space Battles", with power 1.0 and the
following text:
{
 Two players are "allied" if they agree to be allied or if one is
 the master of the other; otherwise they are "opponents". For the
 purposes of this rule, agreement includes both consent and
 agreement specified by contract.

 A player who owns a Pilotable Spaceship in the same Sector as one
 of eir opponents' Pilotable Spaceships CAN, by announcement,
 initiate a Space Battle between the two Spaceships. These two
 players are the "combatants" of the Space Battle, and the two
 Spaceships are then "engaging" in the Space Battle until it is
 resolved.

 A Space Battle CANNOT be initiated if either of the two involved
 Spaceships has been engaging in a Space Battle within the last
 24 hours.

 The resolver for a 

DIS: [Proto-proposal] Agora can into space

[Timon Walshe-Grey]

Figured I'd pick this up and run with it since ATMunn said e lost interest. I 
mainly just looked over other issues people pointed out and fixed them, as well 
as rearranging a few other things, but unfortunately I forgot to keep a note of 
each thing I modified so there's no changelog. Still, I think it is fairly 
intelligible.

-twg

//
Title: spaaace? v0.3
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: twg
Co-authors: Aris, ATMunn, CuddleBeam, D. Margaux, G., Gaelan, Murphy,
Ørjan, Trigon

Enact a new rule entitled "Sectors", with power 1.0 and the following
text:
{
Sectors are entities; each Sector has an ID number, which is a
unique positive integer. Creating, altering or destroying Sectors
is secured.

If no Spaceship is in a particular Sector, then that Sector is
"empty"; otherwise it is "occupied".

Two Sectors are "adjacent" if their IDs differ by exactly 1.
}

Enact a new rule entitled "Galaxy Maintenance", with power 1.0 and the
following text:
{
Ideal Sector Count is the number of Spaceships plus two.

If there are ever fewer Sectors than the Ideal Sector Count, then
the Astronomor CAN and SHALL, by announcement, create a new
Sector, specifying its number.

If there are ever more Sectors than the Ideal Sector Count, then
the Astronomor CAN and SHALL, by announcement, destroy an empty
Sector.

If there is ever a Sector with an ID number higher than the total
number of Sectors, then the Astronomor CAN and SHALL, by
announcement, alter that Sector's ID number to a different valid
value equal to or less than the total number of Sectors.

For the Astronomor to allow a continuous period of 7 days to pass
in which any of the above actions is POSSIBLE is the Class-3 Crime
of Galaxy Neglect.
}

Enact a new rule entitled "The Astronomor", with power 1.0 and the
following text:
{
The Astronomor is an office. The Astronomor's weekly report
includes, in addition to any information required by other rules,
a list of all Sectors and their ID numbers.
}

Enact a new rule entitled "Spaceships", with power 1.0 and the
following text:
{
Spaceships are a class of fixed asset, tracked by the Astronomor,
with ownership restricted to players. The following are Spaceship
switches, tracked by the Astronomor:

* Location (possible values any Sector, defaulting to the Sector
  with the lowest ID number);

* Armour (an integer switch limited to values from 0 to 10
  inclusive).

A Spaceship is "in" its Location. For a Spaceship to "move" to a
Sector is for its Location to be flipped to that Sector. When a
player registers, a Spaceship is created in eir possession. When
a Spaceship is created, it immediately moves to the
lowest-numbered empty Sector, if any.

A Spaceship with an Armour of 0 is "Defeated". A Spaceship is
"Pilotable" if it is neither Defeated nor engaging in a Space
Battle.

Any player CAN, by announcement, spend a coin to increase the
Armour of a Pilotable Spaceship e owns by 1. This is called
"Repairing" the Spaceship.
}

Enact a new rule entitled "Spaceship Energy", with power 1.0 and the
following text:
{
Energy is a fixed currency, tracked by the Astronomor, with
ownership restricted to Spaceships. If a Spaceship's Energy
balance exceeds 20, any excess Energy it possesses is destroyed.

When a Spaceship is created, 20 Energy is created in its
possession.

At the start of each Agoran day, each Pilotable Spaceship gains 2
Energy. Any player also CAN, by announcement, pay 2 coins to grant
a Pilotable Spaceship e owns 1 Energy.

Any player CAN, by announcement, cause a Pilotable Spaceship e
owns to pay 1 Energy to move to a Sector adjacent to its Location.
}

Enact a new rule entitled "Space Battles", with power 1.0 and the
following text:
{
Two players are "allied" if they agree to be allied or if one is
the master of the other; otherwise they are "opponents". For the
purposes of this rule, agreement includes both consent and
agreement specified by contract.

A player who owns a Pilotable Spaceship in the same Sector as one
of eir opponents' Pilotable Spaceships CAN, by announcement,
initiate a Space Battle between the two Spaceships. These two
players are the "combatants" of the Space Battle, and the two
Spaceships are then "engaging" in the Space Battle until it is
resolved.

A Space Battle CANNOT be initiated if either of the two involved
Spaceships has been engaging in a Space Battle within the last
24 hours.

The resolver for a Space Battle is the person highest in the
following list who is not a combatant:

1) the Astronomor;
2) the Arbitor;
3) the Prime Minister;
4) the non-combatant who has least recently registered.

For the initiation of a Space Battle to