Re: DIS: DMARC bounces (attn Murphy)

2019-06-05 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 6:30 PM James Cook  wrote:
> (I'm not suggesting we use Discourse, just that maybe similar options are
> available with the current software.)

It seems Mailman does support something like that:

https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DMARC
https://www.gnu.org/software/mailman/mailman-admin/sender-filters.html

...Okay, I've gone ahead and set dmarc_moderation_action to "Munge
From" on all three lists.  Changing the From address is annoying
(sorry Murphy), but it only applies to messages from domains with
p=reject DMARC entries, and the alternative is for those messages to
not be deliverable properly.

Incidentally, Gmail seems to accept such messages but send them to
Spam.  I set my Agora filter to never send to Spam, so I get a banner
saying "This message was not sent to Spam because of a filter you
created."


DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8178-8179

2019-06-05 Thread Owen Jacobson


> On Jun 3, 2019, at 5:38 PM, D. Margaux  wrote:
> 
> Proposal 8179
> ===
> AGAINST: Aris, Falsifian, omd, Rance, V.J. Rada*, twg+
> Present: Rance, o, Trigon

On what grounds am I PRESENT and not AGAINST?

-o



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Re: DIS: DMARC bounces (attn Murphy)

2019-06-05 Thread James Cook
On Wed., Jun. 5, 2019, 21:03 James Cook,  wrote:

> > Sure, it would fix the DMARC issue, but it would also make it very hard
> to
> > tell at a glance who sent which message. Modern mailers have a lot of
> > features for that, but they’re all based around the from line.
>
> I just checked the way Discourse does it (or did it in October 2018).
> I see for example an email from "Marcos Benevides
> ", where the nix...@discoursemail.com is the
> same for all senders.
>
> With that method you could see the name at a glance, but it might be
> tricky to tell exactly which email address it was sent from, which is
> probably bad. But maybe it could be configured to say "Jon Doe
> (john...@webmail.com) ".
>

(I'm not suggesting we use Discourse, just that maybe similar options are
available with the current software.)

>


Re: DIS: DMARC bounces (attn Murphy)

2019-06-05 Thread James Cook
> Sure, it would fix the DMARC issue, but it would also make it very hard to
> tell at a glance who sent which message. Modern mailers have a lot of
> features for that, but they’re all based around the from line.

I just checked the way Discourse does it (or did it in October 2018).
I see for example an email from "Marcos Benevides
", where the nix...@discoursemail.com is the
same for all senders.

With that method you could see the name at a glance, but it might be
tricky to tell exactly which email address it was sent from, which is
probably bad. But maybe it could be configured to say "Jon Doe
(john...@webmail.com) ".


Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Temporary Deputy-ADoP] Initiation of Election for Prime Minister

2019-06-05 Thread Aris Merchant
Hey, I have an election to win here. :)

In all seriousness though, I'd like to make it clear that I'm not
criticizing you. I just want to win (and I do think I have a better
case this time around, but the Agoran public may disagree). To be
honest, it's kind of hard to do a good job or bad job as PM, since the
PM has basically no responsibilities. I think we've done about an
equally good job in our prior terms as the office.

-Aris

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 9:00 AM Kerim Aydin  wrote:
>
> After kickstarting stuff from our lull in March, April, I take a
> 3-week vacation and do the right thing by resigning offices instead of
> just letting them lag like seems to be the norm, and I get labelled
> "inactive"?  That's some harsh campaign rhetoric right there Aris.  :)
>
> I change my vote for PM to {G., Corona}.
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 11:11 PM Aris Merchant
>  wrote:
> >
> > I'm happy to! My platform was that I was working to resolve the
> > inactivity crisis of the time [1]. It's less of a crisis now (though
> > more offices than usual are still empty), partially because of my
> > work. I sent the message I linked, and I've also taken on the duties
> > of the Arbitor as I said I would. G. on the other hand resigned from
> > all of eir offices, making the crisis worse. I'm not blaming em for
> > needing time off, just suggesting that I'm currently the better
> > candidate.
> >
> > [1] 
> > https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-discussion/2019-April/053804.html
> >
> > -Aris
> >
> > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 8:09 PM Jason Cobb  wrote:
> > >
> > > My vote is still up for grabs, if I'm eligible (which I think I am).
> > > Sorry again, but I am too new to know everything you would wish to
> > > include in your platform. Could you give me a short summary so that I
> > > don't have to trawl through lots of messages?
> > >
> > > On 6/2/19 10:35 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:
> > > > I vote [Aris, G.].
> > > >
> > > > Why is no one voting for me? As far as I can tell, I have a stronger
> > > > platform (well, at least I had a platform) and am currently more active.
> > > > I’m really confused, TBH.
> > > >
> > > > -Aris
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Jun 2, 2019 at 7:30 PM James Cook  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> In the ongoing election for Prime Minister, I vote [G., Aris].
> > > >>
> > > >> On Sun, 2 Jun 2019 at 12:29, D Margaux  wrote:
> > > >>> I temporarily deputise for ADoP to initiate an election for Prime
> > > >> Minister (for reals this time).
> > > >>> The valid options are G., Corona, and Aris.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The vote collector is the ADoP and the voting method is instant 
> > > >>> runoff.
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > >  On Jun 2, 2019, at 4:56 AM, Reuben Staley 
> > > >> wrote:
> > >  JUDGEMENT OF A CFJ WITH NO ID
> > >  ===
> > > 
> > >  Whereas there is not much I feel I can add to the Caller's Arguments,
> > > >> I accept them and judge this CFJ TRUE.
> > > > On 5/30/19 12:57 PM, D. Margaux wrote:
> > > > I assign this CFJ to Trigon (the only judge who is both eligible and
> > > >> not an interested party).
> > > > Begin forwarded message:
> > > >> From: D Margaux 
> > > >> Date: May 28, 2019 at 9:49:13 AM EDT
> > > >> To: Agora Business 
> > > >> Subject: CFJ re Prime Minister Election
> > > >>
> > > >> I call for judgement, and submit to the Referee (because the 
> > > >> Arbitor
> > > >> is an interested party), the following statement:  “The ADoP did not
> > > >> EFFECTIVELY commence any election for the office of Prime Minister on 
> > > >> 19
> > > >> May 2019.”
> > > >> Caller’s Arguments:
> > > >>
> > > >> Under Rule 104, a notice initiating an Agoran decision is “invalid”
> > > >> unless it contains “[a] clear description of the valid options.”  On 
> > > >> 19 May
> > > >> 2019, the ADoP sent two messages purporting to initiate an election for
> > > >> Prime Minister, but neither of those messages clearly described the 
> > > >> valid
> > > >> options as required by rule.  Therefore no PM election was commenced.
> > > >> In the first attempt,[1] Murphy stated that “the valid options are
> > > >> the candidates (G. and Corona).”  That did not clearly state the valid
> > > >> options because Aris was also a candidate.
> > > >> In the second attempt,[2] Murphy stated that “Aris may also be a
> > > >> candidate” and that, “[i]f voting for Prime Minister is not yet open, 
> > > >> then
> > > >> I open it (details as below except Aris is also a candidate).”  That
> > > >> message did not clearly identify the valid options, because it stated 
> > > >> only
> > > >> that Aris *may* be a candidate, not that e *was* a candidate. 
> > > >> Additionally,
> > > >> that message initiated an election *conditioned* on the old election 
> > > >> being
> > > >> invalid; as a result, a reasonable Agoran reading that message in 
> > > >> isolation
> > > >> would be unable to determine whether the 

DIS: What is The Ritual?

2019-06-05 Thread Rance Bedwell
Is the paying of a fee of 7 coins The Ritual or is it a mechanism for 
performing The Ritual?  I've been trying to figure this out and can't come to a 
conclusion.  Does anyone else have any thoughts on it?  Thanks.
-Rance