Re: DIS: Proto-corporation: the TCC Corporation

2020-01-23 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 05:41, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion wrote: > By the way, it's starting to seem awfully inconvenient that any > contract must have at least two people on whose behalf the contract > can effectively act. You may have some more catching up to do on the ruleset after the

Re: DIS: Proto-corporation: the TCC Corporation

2020-01-23 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 12:06 AM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > [...] > > On Jan 23, 2020, at 8:36 PM, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion > > wrote: > > Of course, "TCC" stands for "the TCC Corporation." > > Shouldn’t this be TTC, then? (As a bonus, that means it doesn’t have to

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3786 Assigned to omd

2020-01-23 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Fri, 24 Jan 2020 at 05:18, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote: > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 9:14 PM James Cook via agora-business > wrote: > > > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 08:34, omd via agora-business > > wrote: > > > Note that I long assumed that the past was not part of the "gamestate" > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Apathy

2020-01-23 Thread James Cook via agora-discussion
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 05:53, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2020 at 9:44 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: > > > > > > On 1/22/2020 8:13 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote: > > > On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 02:11, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion >

Re: DIS: Proto-corporation: the TCC Corporation

2020-01-23 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
Like the idea! Feedback inline Gaelan > On Jan 23, 2020, at 8:36 PM, Tanner Swett via agora-discussion > wrote: > > It's never too late to try to found a company which aspires to take > over the world. > > { >## Bylaw 1: Definition > >This contract is named "the TCC Corporation".

Re: DIS: Proto-corporation: the TCC Corporation

2020-01-23 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Oh, another thing. What about nonmember parties to the contract? Nothing protects their rights, which makes things very dicey if one ever loses one's share. Three possible solutions: 1) Automatic ejection of non-shareholder parties; 2) a provision that one cannot transfer a share if it would cause

Re: DIS: Proto-corporation: the TCC Corporation

2020-01-23 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
I'd prefer a "This contract does not allow anyone to act on behalf of its members except as explicitly provided to the contrary", if that's part of the intent. Otherwise, ordinary proposals could potentially be used to allow appropriation of non-contract assets from members, which I don't think is

DIS: Proto-corporation: the TCC Corporation

2020-01-23 Thread Tanner Swett via agora-discussion
It's never too late to try to found a company which aspires to take over the world. { ## Bylaw 1: Definition This contract is named "the TCC Corporation". The purpose of the TCC Corporation is to earn as much money as possible for its shareholders. Shares of TCC stock

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Fwd: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/23/2020 4:19 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: >>> 8298 Aris, [2]2.0 Administrative Adjudication v3 >> AGAINST. Two concerns here. (1) I have no idea what "tracked along >> with judicial cases" means in terms of practical tracking, and don't >> think it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: A rejoinder

2020-01-23 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
I object. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2020, at 5:29 PM, Tanner Swett via agora-business > wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 7:34 PM Aris Merchant via agora-business > wrote: >> Oh, also: I cause Warrigal to receive a Welcome Package. >> >> -Aris > > Many thanks! My understanding is

DIS: Re: BUS: A rejoinder

2020-01-23 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 4:32 PM Tanner Swett via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > I register again. > > —Warrigal Welcome back! -Aris > >

DIS: Re: BUS: Fwd: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-23 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 3:48 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote: > > I vote as follows, and act on behalf of o to vote as follows: > > > 8288 omd 1.0 Glitteral > Endorse the Treasuror. This takes away the requirement to specify the > reward amount explicitly in the

Re: DIS: The Reset Button v3

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 2:35 PM Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote: > This is a RECOMMENDED method for resetting aspects of the game in a > fair and equitable manner following the discovery and/or exploitation > of unintended loopholes within the Rules Following twg's thesis, I'm far

DIS: The Reset Button v3

2020-01-23 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Here's a new version of the Reset Button that would resolve various concerns that have been raised. Tell me what y'all think. -Aris --- Title: The Reset Button v3 Adoption index: 3.0 Author: Aris Co-authors: G., twg If no proposal whose title contains the text "Administrative Adjudication" has

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-23 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 1:34 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote: > > On 1/20/20 10:22 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > > // > > ID: 8299 > > Title: The Reset Button v2 > > Adoption index: 3.0 > > Author: Aris >

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8287-8307

2020-01-23 Thread Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
On 1/20/20 10:22 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-official wrote: > // > ID: 8299 > Title: The Reset Button v2 > Adoption index: 3.0 > Author: Aris > Co-authors: G. > > If no proposal whose title contains the text "Administrative

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:35 PM Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion wrote: > Adding a withdrawal clause prevents the > initiator from changing eir mind later, which is IMO generally a good thing > as it means that people can take withdrawal at face value and not have to > remember to object anyway.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 15:11, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Why would we want this? Our system is explicitly designed to make sure > that people can't announce intent to do something with support or with > Agoran consent, and then single-handedly

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 8:28 AM Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 11:20, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion > wrote: >> >> On 1/23/2020 7:49 AM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: >> > Proposal: A Degree of Inefficiency (AI=3) >> > {{{ >> > Amend Rule 2595 (Performing a Dependent

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On Thu, Jan 23, 2020 at 12:09 PM Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote: > > I think my (misleading named) “too intense” scam from February of this year > might be relevant. > > The gist of that was that the rules at the time required that declarations of > intent be conspicuous and,

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Aris Merchant via agora-discussion
Why would we want this? Our system is explicitly designed to make sure that people can't announce intent to do something with support or with Agoran consent, and then single-handedly tank the intent. That sort of thing was the source of scams (or at least I seem to recall hearing it was) and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion
I think my (misleading named) “too intense” scam from February of this year might be relevant. The gist of that was that the rules at the time required that declarations of intent be conspicuous and, *independently*, that intents had to be announced four days before performing the action.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 12:24, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Another thought experiment: > 1. intent > 2. intent again > 3. action that's very direct and explicit in citing intent #1 (e.g. > "having > posted intent in the quoted message (#1), I do

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/23/2020 8:28 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > More debatable whether: > > 1. intent > 2. intent again > 3. withdraw one intent but not the other > > works, but since it refers to "an announcement of intent", the intended > interpretation is that it applies to the specific announcement, reinforced

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 12:12, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > Sorry, I mis-typed, but it doesn't change it IMO. The question "did I > publish > and then subsequently withdraw an announcement of intent" becomes true > when I > do it once, and remains

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/23/2020 8:28 AM, Alexis Hunt wrote: > On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 11:20, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < > agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > >> >> On 1/23/2020 7:49 AM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: >>> Proposal: A Degree of Inefficiency (AI=3) >>> {{{ >>> Amend Rule 2595

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Thu, 23 Jan 2020 at 11:20, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion < agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote: > > On 1/23/2020 7:49 AM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > > Proposal: A Degree of Inefficiency (AI=3) > > {{{ > > Amend Rule 2595 (Performing a Dependent Action) by inserting ", and

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] A degree of inefficiency

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/23/2020 7:49 AM, Alexis Hunt via agora-business wrote: > Proposal: A Degree of Inefficiency (AI=3) > {{{ > Amend Rule 2595 (Performing a Dependent Action) by inserting ", and did not > subsequently withdraw, " immediately after "published" in the first > paragraph. > }}} > > -Alexis >

DIS: Re: BUS: income and [CFJ]

2020-01-23 Thread Alexis Hunt via agora-discussion
On Wed, 22 Jan 2020 at 21:03, James Cook via agora-business < agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote: > On Sun, 19 Jan 2020 at 21:04, Kerim Aydin via agora-business > wrote: > > However, it also reads (unintentionally?) as a limit. If the > parenthetical > > is read like this: "CAN once (until e

DIS: Re: BUS: [attn: ADoP] Whither the Agoran economy?

2020-01-23 Thread Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion
On 1/23/2020 4:40 AM, Timon Walshe-Grey via agora-business wrote: > I intend, with 2 days' notice, to temporarily deputise for the ADoP to > end the uncontested election for Treasuror, thereby installing myself. No deputisation needed if there's only 1 candidate, R2154: > If at any point