Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation, favours, and pledge

2017-11-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: I pay V.J. Rada 10 shinies for the clever scam. H. Herald candidates, would you consider giving out Scamster for this? I don't think e ever actually won off a scam, but e's come close so many times that e deserves the accolade. Petard hoister.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7973-7880

2017-11-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: 7880* ATMunn, [5] 1.0 [6] Alexis 1 AP AGAINST. If you deserve it, claim it right away. Three of the reward conditions may be triggered by _other_ people's actions, so this is not always possible, and Agora has a

DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2017-11-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen
Doesn't Rule 2240 imply the opposite of your argument? In a conflict between clauses of the same Rule, if exactly one claims precedence over the other, then it takes precedence; otherwise, the later clause takes precedence. Greetings, Ørjan. On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, Kerim Aydin

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report

2017-11-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I made a fixed version. CoE denied. This too may cause the original version to self-ratify, since there's no longer a doubt tied to it. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Referee] Weekly Report

2017-11-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 21 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: first of all, in my next ADoP report, should I just note this as one report or a report and a revision? There was no formal CoE or anything so probably just one. If you don't formally CoE it, then the first version could self-ratify, with the formatting

DIS: Re: OFF: Re: BUS: Informal Reportor Report (per contract)

2017-11-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017, Josh T wrote: Economic Chaos The supply value massively increased due to a money printing proposal, but something else went up as well. That thing: the floating value. Now everything is 1: horrifically expensive and 2: Agora has no money because of stamps. Will

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Herald election

2017-11-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017, Corona wrote: Also, what is the point of campaign proposals? (Except for proposing overpowered powers for yourself and ensuring nobody else gets them) Seems like tying a proposal coming into force to your being elected will lower the chances of either happening; players who

Re: DIS: PAoaM v3: Not rushed this time and also better in general

2017-11-19 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 20 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: Maybe the plan is to make Corona and I the richest players :P (I don't think I ever got to claim my welcome package?) I don't think there's any time limit for doing so, if you can catch Agora when it has enough Shinies. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7973-7880

2017-11-19 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 19 Nov 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: 7974* V.J. Rada3.0 [2] Really minor fixes V.J. Rada 1 AP FOR. Note that some of these may be Rulekeepor typos; I will do my best to investigate and determine which ones are. Some of the changes are equivalent to "replace text A with

Re: DIS: Politician Naming

2017-11-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 18 Nov 2017, Madeline wrote: Since the party proposal is set to be passing, I'd like to get some good pun names brought in for our array of Politicians. I can offer rewards too (likely a shiny or two per name), and you'll be sparing us all from a terrible fate of auspol jokes! Mad

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Surveyor] Weekly Report

2017-11-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
NttPF. Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Thu, 09 Nov 2017 08:50:46 V.J Rada bought the Estate of Erehwon for 1,011 shinies ​CoE: this is disputed.​ On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: Recent events (all times UTC) Tue, 09 May

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7965-7972

2017-11-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
Um, nope, still discussion. Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, 16 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: thanks telnaior. pf. On Mon, Nov 13, 2017 at 10:49 AM, VJ Rada wrote: I vote ID Author(s) AI TitlePender Pend fee

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract (Designating reportor)

2017-11-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: Amend Rule 2525, Interpreting Contracts, by: Removing item 6 of the numbered list and renumbering appropriately; and Changing the phrase "failing protected action" to read "failing to preform a protected action". I think you mean "perform".

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Agora Sky News vol 7

2017-11-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 12 Nov 2017, ATMunn wrote: I agree. I think e said e was going to be pretty busy for a month or two, but still. Also, the wrapping is messed up. The wrapping of eir newspapers was always messed up on the plain text version, and now that the HTML version (which looked fine in my

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Initiating Decisions Correctly

2017-11-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 6 Nov 2017, Josh T wrote: Apparently, I just need to cast a vote to avoid being given a humiliating reminder, so for all pending proposals whose valid options include FOR and AGAINST, I vote PURPLE. I understand this is effectively "PRESENT", but that's not what I'm casting it as in

Re: DIS: Proto-proto proposal

2017-11-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I think the last time this was asked about, G. said they started being used somewhere between 1993/4. So they have a long pedigree haha :). Well the last time I recall, I pointed out that Spivak pronouns were used in Agora's original ruleset, and Originator

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3585 assigned to V.J. Rada

2017-11-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
red and assigned the below CFJ, I do as indicated below: -- Forwarded message -- Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2017 13:58:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Kerim Aydin <ke...@u.washington.edu> To: Agora Official <agora-offic...@agoranomic.org> Subject: [Arbitor] CFJ 3585 assigned to V.J. Rada

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Agoran Newspaper Repeal

2017-10-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 24 Oct 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: I straight-up resign. If it is possible for me to do so, I initiate an election for the office of Agronomist. I submit the following as a campaign proposal: I think the first action made the second impossible. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: more questions

2017-10-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 23 Oct 2017, ATMunn wrote: Okay, I finally figured it out and it should look right now. I honestly don't know why I didn't figure it out sooner. Congratulations! On 10/23/2017 9:31 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: I am really enjoying reading this conversation using Pine. I've been

DIS: Re: BUS: (no subject)

2017-10-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: I submit the following proposal, and pend it for 1 AP. An entity's tax amount is, at any given time, (max(ceil(T% of (S - 10)), 0)), where max is the maximum of its inputs, ceil is the operation of rounding up to the nearest integer, T is the tax

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3581 assigned to Alexis

2017-10-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 22 Oct 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: Proposal: HTML Scrubbing (AI=1) {{{ The Distributor is hereby requested to enable the Mailman feature(s) to strip non-plain-text parts of emails sent by the agoranomic.org mailing lists. }}} Would this disallow _all_ non-text attachments, even those

DIS: Re: CJF (Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7922-7929)

2017-10-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 21 Oct 2017, ATMunn . wrote: I'm just going to make sure my vote actually changes. If, despite the aforementioned October 19 post, my vote on proposals 7922-7929 has not changed, I vote as follows: Fortunately for you the judgement was that the previous one worked, because I don't

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Weekly Report

2017-10-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 20 Oct 2017, Alex Smith wrote: I should have CoE'd the first report with the mistake, just before the week was up, in order to neatly create a time paradox. (That said, COEs don't have to be by Players, so I'm not sure how you get a paradox. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: I revoke my agency ORP

2017-10-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I gave notice a while ago. I revoke the agency ORP. How long ago? Remember there's a 14 day limit. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: What's the deal with the ADoP election?

2017-10-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 19 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote: In about a day I can ratify my document making you the ADoP. I don't remember if you made a new intent after the one where you forgot to say it was a lie. Note that Rule 2202 (last published Ruleset, which is getting pretty out of date *grumble*) says:

Re: DIS: Silly Proposal Query

2017-10-16 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 16 Oct 2017, Josh T wrote: About Silly proposals I am vexed:Of the rule's intention I am perplexed; Ought the proposal's mood be most merry, Or it's meaning and tone be contrary? The Rule's a blank slate With no preconceived notions Whatever

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: Re: E•MO•TION

2017-10-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: Ah, forgot that cleanup time could do that. I intend without objection to cause Cleanup Time to amend the ruleset by replacing “registrar” in any places it appears with “Registrar”. Does this require specifying an order? There might be just one such

DIS: CFJ on another Campaigning mess (Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 7908-7921)

2017-10-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
I make two CFJ, and request that they be linked: There exists a Rule entitled "Campaign Proposals, with power 3", with power 1. and The ADOP SHALL NOT distribute Campaign Proposals for ongoing elections. My argument for the first one is that proposal 7912 contains an

Re: DIS: Semi-final draft: Contracts v3

2017-10-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017, Alex Smith wrote: {{{ A rule change is any effect that falls into the above classes. It is not possible to for multiple rule changes to occur simultaneously; any attempt to cause multiple rule changes without a statement of the order in which those

Re: DIS: Semi-final draft: Contracts v3

2017-10-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 15 Oct 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: [don’t know if anybody else shares this sentiment] Please use mail-archive instead of the built-in mailman archive. I have to dig up my mailman password every time, and it’s a pain. I do. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: A few cleanups

2017-10-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017, Alexis Hunt wrote: Amend Rule 105, bullet 2 to read "When a rule is repealed, it ceases to be a I'm not sure the HLR is good for pasting directly into email. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: can we can't we can we can't we

2017-10-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: If the majority of valid ballots (valid at the end of the voting period) cast in the decision to adopt this proposal specify "OPTION A" along with their vote, then amend Rule 2152 (Mother, May I?) by appending the following paragraph: If a Rule

Re: DIS: Draft: Spending Fix

2017-10-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 14 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: So overall, I'm a bit concerned with the separate uses of "pay" and "spend" given that they now function differently and spend includes destruction. For example, if someone says "I pay 1 AP to " then it would technically fail, because "pay" is

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Secretary] Weekly Report (revision 2)

2017-10-11 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 11 Oct 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:17 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: As Secretary, I flip the Floating Value to 20. On Oct 11, 2017, at 12:29 AM, Owen Jacobson wrote: As Secretary, I flip the Floating Value to 22. On Oct 11,

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Arbitor] CFJ 3572 assigned to o

2017-10-11 Thread Ørjan Johansen
While the rules do not specifically define “an announcement of intent”, rule 478 (“Fora”) defines what it means to announce something: A public message is a message sent via a public forum, or sent to all players and containing a clear designation of intent to be public. A rule can also

DIS: Re: BUS: [Surveyor] October Estate Auction

2017-10-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: win-by-robbing-Agora proposal (that was intended as a real proposal, not just a scam vessel; if that proposal doesn’t exist, I create it with the text and attributes from the original message), but (barring a bug/typo) Hm you only have to "specify"

Re: DIS: Re: Agency: PPE

2017-10-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017, Reuben Staley wrote: Yeah, but in my question, I kind of meant before they were even created, though I see the confusion because of my non-explicit wording... Gosh, now I feel like such a hypocrite, criticising the wording of a rule then being ambiguous with mine... Before

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7908-7921

2017-10-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 8 Oct 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: For the record, I’ve been re-wrapping rules as I touch them. Looking at the ruleset now, however, I’m not sure if I’ve been indenting to the right width… Well I'm not sure which ones you've fixed, so... The standard used to be something like 75

Re: DIS: Draft: Crime Improvements v2

2017-10-09 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 8 Oct 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: A person SHALL NOT deliberately, by eir explicit, positive, and restricted action aid, abet, or induce the violation of the rules by another person; when e does so, e commits the Class-3 Crime of Being an Accessory. A person never is never an

DIS: Re: BUS: Actions

2017-10-06 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017, Josh T wrote: Seeing the recent report reminds me that I never resolved the quoted intention, and I do so now. I think you're too late - there's a general 14 day limit on dependent actions. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: OFF: [Superintendent] Weekly Report

2017-10-06 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 5 Oct 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Nothing prevents me from issuing a weekly report including the full text of agencies. I therefore pledge to do so as long as I am superintendent. There have been no changes to agencies this week. NOTE: The portion of this report referring to the agencies Ben

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Trouble with agencies

2017-10-04 Thread Ørjan Johansen
shment, "G: Overlord of Dunce"}} Don't worry about it affecting rules, it doesn't. On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 6:31 PM, Alex Smith <ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> wrote: On Thu, 2017-09-28 at 09:24 +0200, Ørjan Johansen wrote: [snip] As others have mentioned, this kind of ratification

Re: DIS: Congratulations everyone!

2017-10-03 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: Agora-Discussion traffic last month was 6 MB, significantly more than our previous record of 2 MB from May. In addition to this, Agora-Business traffic was a record setting 2 MB. Although these records only go back to July 2013 (when archive gzip'ing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of proposal 7877

2017-10-03 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: It’s not the format that’s the problem. Many clients display the date a message was received, not the Date: of the message itself, when showing dates in message lists. Mine (Mail.app, macOS Sierra, up-to-date on patches) does this. *Sigh* well, at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of proposal 7877

2017-10-03 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 4 Oct 2017, Alex Smith wrote: Far too powerful, given how difficult it can be for some clients to display anomalous Date: headers. Could lead to some interesting time paradoxes, too (given that changing the gamestate as though the message were sent at some other time than the time the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of proposal 7877

2017-10-03 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 1 Jan 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: Far too powerful, given how difficult it can be for some clients to display anomalous Date: headers. For example, this message's Date: header claims that it was sent on Jan 1st, 2017. I thought you meant "anomalous" as in weird format, yours looks

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of proposal 7877

2017-10-03 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: On Oct 3, 2017, at 10:49 PM, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: "The Date: header of an emailed public message constitutes a self-ratifying claim that the message was sent at the indicated time.” Far too powerful, given how diffi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of proposal 7877

2017-10-03 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: So the TDOC precedent was set long ago in a very different ruleset. I've always been of the opinion that we should go with the Date: header, and the knowledge that it can be forged for tiny advantage be dealt with by some kind of crime (e.g. "if the

Re: DIS: voting strength question

2017-10-03 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: However, what keeps non-players from voting is in R683: An entity submits a ballot on an Agoran decision by publishing a notice satisfying the following conditions: [...] 2. The entity casting the ballot (the voter) was, at the

DIS: Re: BUS: deputy-[Assessor] Resolution of proposal 7877

2017-10-03 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 3 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: [I think I did the CoE part of this message already, but I'm being very clear here to be sure]. You cut that _very_ close to a week. And because of an erroneous clock setting in Nichdel's computer, quite likely not on the side you intended. Mail

Re: DIS: Another UTF-8 question (for o or someone else)

2017-10-01 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 1 Oct 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Could someone look at the index for cases: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/ And tell me why Ørjan's name displays correctly in CFJ 3565, but not in CFJ 3470? The first case involves a quoted message including 天火狐's CJK nick, and so

Re: DIS: I think I fixed the rulesets

2017-09-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: I believe the rulesets on GitHub are now accurate. If something is still wrong, please speak up before I publicly embarrass myself again. :) Still no farming in sight in the SLR there. Also, sneaking a peek at the HLR, rule 2496 looks misformatted.

DIS: Re: BUS: I attempt to Declare A NEW ERA

2017-09-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: I withdraw my objection. I support the above-quoted intent. This cannot be continued though: A person CANNOT support or object to an announcement of intent before the intent is announced, or after e has withdrawn the same type of

DIS: Re: BUS: 🎵Spooky Scary Skeletonsð沁オ

2017-09-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
Yep, as well as a weekly Silly Person (ideally appointed by the previous one) to make them. Greetings, Ørjan. On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: Were Silly Proposals a game concept at that point? Gaelan

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Rulekeepor] Short Logical Ruleset

2017-09-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
shortly after the last SLR. Greetings, Ørjan. On Fri, 29 Sep 2017, Ørjan Johansen wrote: This is also missing the farming stuff, which was one of several things someone else complained was missing in the _previous_ Ruleset. (That's the one thing I recall. I didn't save the message.) Greetings

DIS: Re: BUS: [Rulekeepor] Short Logical Ruleset

2017-09-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
This is also missing the farming stuff, which was one of several things someone else complained was missing in the _previous_ Ruleset. (That's the one thing I recall. I didn't save the message.) Greetings, Ørjsn. On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: THE SHORT LOGICAL RULESET [snip]

DIS: Re: BUS: 🎵Spooky Scary Skeletons🎵

2017-09-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: From the archives (by memory): AN INSANE PROPOSAL IS A PROPOSAL IN ALL CAPS. VOTES FOR AN INSANE PROPOSAL ARE SECRET AND CANNOT BE DISCUSSED, EVEN IN PRIVATE. IF NOT A SINGLE FOR VOTE IS CAST FOR AN INSANE PROPOSAL, THE PROPOSERS WIN THE GAME. Good

DIS: Re: BUS: Spooky Scary Skeletons

2017-09-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: - Title: Terrifying Proposals Reward - Content: The victor of the "The Terrifying Proposals" Proposal Competition, once ever via this effect, can gain 3 Stamps from Agora by announcement. I get really queasy about proposals having non-instantaneous

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Guaranteed Stampage

2017-09-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 28 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: On Sep 28, 2017, at 3:09 AM, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote: Enact a Power 1 rule titled "Stamp Wins" with the following text: If a player owns 10 stamps with different Creater

DIS: Re: BUS: Trouble with agencies

2017-09-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: To avoid committing fraud I hereby specify that the document I am attempting to ratify is inaccurate to the extent that no such agency exists. Oh, I made a typo in the below ratification as well. I object to that ratification and intend to, without objection,

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Guaranteed Stampage

2017-09-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote: Enact a Power 1 rule titled "Stamp Wins" with the following text:    If a player owns 10 stamps with different Creaters, none of which    have Agora as its Creater, e CAN win by announcement. Doing so    destroys the specified stamps. Specified where?

DIS: Re: BUS: [Arbitor] Experimental Bench procedure

2017-09-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 27 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Experimental procedure for assigning CFJs. You can just tell me what Court you want to be on. Favoring still works of course. Comments welcome. Is this allowed by the "reasonably equal opportunities to judge" clause? Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Fixing Fingers

2017-09-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen
, Ørjan Johansen <oer...@nvg.ntnu.no> wrote: On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I create and pend with 1 shiny the following Title: Two Words AI: 1.7 Text: In rule 2478, Vigilante Justice, add the word "either" after the words "shall conclude the investigation by" but befo

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Fixing Fingers

2017-09-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 26 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I create and pend with 1 shiny the following Title: Two Words AI: 1.7 Text: In rule 2478, Vigilante Justice, add the word "either" after the words "shall conclude the investigation by" but before the colon. Also, before the words "if e believes that no rules

Re: DIS: Re: CFJ (Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7899-7904)

2017-09-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: If you just say "I vote as G. does" that to me reads like voting the same as my current vote, which wouldn't change if I changed my current vote. I don't think there's anything in "I vote as G. does" that makes it sound conditional. Hm, that leaves the

Re: DIS: Screw all of this

2017-09-25 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 25 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I _still_ did not receive this message. You're cursed. How long before we notice someone has been playing for years, but we've never received eir messages... Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: proto: losing conditions

2017-09-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: A Checkered Card is a type of Card that is appropriate for violations of the rules that directly and substantially result in a Win. When a Checkered Card has been issued and not been the subject of an open CFJ for seven days, [the win

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Such is karma

2017-09-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Reuben Staley wrote: If the majority of players are convinced to attack someone then there will not be enough people to punish the full attacking group. But if they're a majority, then they can just pass a proposal anyhow. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: proto: losing conditions

2017-09-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: It may be valuable to have some actions (voting on a Decision, for example) be automatically disqualifying for some short amount of time (2 hours or so) to help prevent timing scams. Won't work because of the time gap between end of voting and

Re: DIS: proto: losing conditions

2017-09-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Proto: "losing conditions" Seems this isn't really popular, but I'll point out a couple bugs anyhow: When the Rules state that a person or persons win the game, and those persons are not Disqualified from winning as described by the

DIS: Re: BUS: Such is karma

2017-09-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: While the Karma of the Community Chest is not equal to 0, the Herald CAN and SHALL publish a Notice of Honour specifying the Community Chest as a gainer or loser in place of a player; to be valid, it must be specified such that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

2017-09-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: I have started working on an economic simulation. *Channeling Nick Bostrom...* Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

2017-09-24 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: If you don’t specifically call my attention to it, I can say with a straight face that I believe that there are no unpunished violations, but once someone brings it to my attention, that would be a lie. There's a certain Bayesian problem here: If an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 24 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: assigned to _a_ judge, singular, implies or dictates only one judge at once. I don't think it does, especially in the context of the last part of the sentence. It's perfectly readable as just an existential. When a CFJ is open and assigned to a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: Oh sorry, I confused certiorari with the "without 3 objections" method in R991. Folks, if someone end up wanting to call a CFJ on this, make an Agency for me with this exact purpose and I can have it called and assigned in the same message. You'll need

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week

2017-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: I have aimed to make this response as concise as possible. 我反对。我反对。 Like others, I'm doubtful that this works, but possibly for a different reason. Although you may have many enough "我反对"s, _each_ of them is an action that is ambiguous as to

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2017-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: ===Metareport=== Your tables are horribly misaligned. I suggest using a programming editor that can actually handle monospace text. (And don't use tab characters.) Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week: MOTION OF NO CONFIDENCE

2017-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, Quazie wrote: To be honest - I only did it cuz I'm unsure if subject line only actions, even if noted by the rules, even work. I really cannot see why giving effect to subject lines shouldn't work when a rule (2463) _explicitly_ mentions it. I still don't think rule

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Frivolous but harmless scam attempt of the week

2017-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: This is Cuddlebeam-esque and I'm ashamed of myself. But I will now copy and paste "Without objection, I intend to win by apathy", until there is thousands of copies of that text, each of which is a seperate action. Under the precedent of several CFJs,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Registering

2017-09-23 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sat, 23 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Oh yeah, I'm late on my ADoP report. By notifying you here it makes it probably illegal to list that you believe no un-remedied rules violations have occurred the preceding week. So you might have to use your fifth summary judgement. Hm, an actual

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

2017-09-22 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Fri, 22 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: Title: Make Your Home Shine Author: o Co-authors: CuddleBeam, Ørjan, V.J Rada AI: 1.7 Ratify the following statement: { The only pledge owned by o was created on Aug 23, 2017. } You need AI >= 3 for ratification. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

2017-09-21 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 21 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: Do you want this distributed with this weeks distributions? That's a still buggy version, so probably not. Greetings, Ørjan. -Aris On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 6:36 PM, Owen Jacobson wrote: Ugh, I missed a pledge, and I’m not sure

DIS: Re: BUS: QAZ is out

2017-09-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017, Quazie wrote: 24 hours having passed, QAZ has been revoked. Now that this is done, explain what could've been done to stop this? Um, you need to do the actual action. With Notice is a dependent action, not automatic at the end of the period. Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Assessing Votes

2017-09-20 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 20 Sep 2017, Nic Evans wrote: Due to a stressful trip coming up this weekend and the size of the There was a part of my brain that expected the rest of the message to contain "I deregister". Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: test

2017-09-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 18 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: This worries me. Is there something in the SLR that is incorrect? Given that your scam doesn’t work, I see little harm in you sharing. The last paragraph of rule 2491 is duplicated. I don't see how that allows any scam though... Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: test

2017-09-18 Thread Ørjan Johansen
I received it too (but already deleted it, after briefly seeing if I could spot anything funny in the headers but I didn't), what's wrong with it? Greetings, Ørjan. On Mon, 18 Sep 2017, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: I received this, but I concur with Aris this could be a problem. I

DIS: Re: BUS: [Prop] The Lint Screen

2017-09-16 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, Gaelan Steele wrote: I create the proposal “The Lint Screen” with AI 1 by Gaelan: {{{ Create a rule “The Lint Screen” with Power 1: {{ The Lint Screen is a singleton switch, tracked by the Promotor with possible values including all lists of text. The default value is an

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3557 judged FALSE

2017-09-16 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: Just when I think I've resolved all the problems. *sigh* I file a motion to reconsider CFJ 3557, and invite arguments about why exactly I shouldn't just rule that CAN (or SHALL) implies "by announcement" whenever it makes sense. Seems like a perfectly

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Make Your Home Shine

2017-09-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: Amend rule 2450 ("Pledges") to read, in full: { Pledges are an indestructible fixed asset. Ownership of pledges is restricted to persons. The Referee is the recordkeepor of pledges. Creating, destroying, modifying, and

Re: DIS: [Proto] IRV formalization

2017-09-15 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: Create a new rule, “Instant Run-Off Voting”, with power ??? and the following text: When the voting method for an Agoran Decision is instant run-off, then, for that decision, a valid ballot consists of exactly one of the following: * PRESENT. *

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

2017-09-14 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I publish the following ADoP weekly report. The alignments are rather out of whack here (and not just the one with Japanese in). Greetings, Ørjan. Informal Measures Consolidation (number of filled offices over number of officeholders):

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Come What May

2017-09-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Thu, 14 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Sorry I was wondering whether to use it for elections or just for reports. I pledge to do what Orjan said. Thank you. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: [Draft] Make Your Home Shine, or, Contracts On The Cheap

2017-09-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: Title: Make Your Home Shine Author: o Co-authors: CuddleBeam AI: 1.7 For the purposes of clarity, no existing pledge is intended to carry over into this system, and this proposal does not imply the creation of any assets corresponding to existing

Re: DIS: Proto: Banking and Bonds

2017-09-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, Cuddle Beam wrote: As a suggestion, it might be good to add that there is a Newbie Funding reserve, something like this?: The Newbie Funding Reserve are the shinies that are contained within Agora's balance level of 0 and 50. Agora cannot make any transfer to grant

DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] Come What May

2017-09-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I initiate an election for the office of Agronomist, as no election for this office has happened in the last 90 days (r. 2145). I stand for >>election for this office, but if a player who has no offices would like the job, I would prefer that Agorans vote

DIS: Re: BUS: Retracting my CoE

2017-09-13 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Wed, 13 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: I retract my recent CoE. The latest secretary's report is NOT a tissue of lies. Carry on. As far as I can tell, there is still no general allowance for retracting actions. Greegins, Ørjan.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Rewards

2017-09-12 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, VJ Rada wrote: Is it possible to use the "any player may assign an unassinged CFJ to emself without three objections" rule? Doesn't work because it's not unassigned. We even had a recent CFJ that people don't stop being judges by being deregistered (as Sprocklem just

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7876-7898 [sic]

2017-09-12 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, Aris Merchant wrote: Rule 1551: "When a public document is ratified, rules to the contrary notwithstanding, the gamestate is modified to what it would be if, at the time the ratified document was published, the gamestate had been minimally modified to make the ratified

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Test of Confidence

2017-09-12 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 11 Sep 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: But if you're really that incensed by me playing the game, I'm happy to take my ball and go home. Just say the word. That gave me a vision of "what if deregistrations were as easily triggered as registrations". Greetings, Ørjan.

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 7876-7898 [sic]

2017-09-12 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Tue, 12 Sep 2017, Owen Jacobson wrote: 7887* Aris 3.0 SLR Ratification Aris1 sh. AGAINST. I’m strongly pro-ruleset-ratification, as it has not been done since well before I joined the game. However, ratifying that version at this point in the sequence of

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