On 6/17/20 8:23 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
> RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8431-8441
> =
>
> IDTitle Result
>
> 8431 Proposal Reward Trimming ADOPTED
> 843
On 6/17/20 12:19 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:
> When did that happen?
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-May/042905.html
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at it's stuff you already knew. It's just
> that a bunch of previous judges have said "this shall be the standard"
> without explaining why adequately, and I'm hoping I might be able to fix it.
>
> -Aris
That still sounds really interesting, and my hype remains. Good luck!
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at. We'll see how things work out.
>
> [1] https://xkcd.com/927/
>
> -Aris
I'll be honest; this was not the outcome I was expecting out of that
silly CFJ...
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On 6/16/20 6:59 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
wrote:
> On 6/16/20 6:45 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
>> Alright, final chance for comments. I plan to pend this in about a day.
>>
>> I submit (but do not pend) the following proposal:
&
On 6/16/20 6:57 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:
> Promise, not pledge.
I made a separate pledge at [0] to fill a missing part of the promise.
[0]:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-June/043319.html
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on eir behalf,
> I grant myself a Legislative Card.
*sigh*, I'm sorry about this. Cashing the promise was the acting on my
behalf, so you couldn't act on my behalf again, which means that none of
the actions succeeded.
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On 6/16/20 4:57 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
> I believe you need to explicitly say that you cash the promise.
Oh, and you need to transfer the promise from the Library to yourself:
> The Library is an entity and CAN own promises. Any player CAN take
> a
d the
> promise's text, and destroys the promise. The bearer SHOULD recite
> the promise's essential attributes in the same message e cashes
> it.
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On 6/16/20 4:49 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote:
> What's the difference between Promises and NAX?
Promises are acting-on-behalf and are in the rules, while NAX is simply
transferring assets around.
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On 6/16/20 4:31 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote:
> R2125 is what prevents actions without mechanisms from working, but it
> only applies to bodies of law. Is a contract a body of law?
Not yet, but I've been meaning to write that up after we try regulations.
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bout method of saying "acting as emself".
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only
grant blots, and only up to a certain number) and people know what they
are signing up for. If these powers were expanded, arbitrators could
become a lot more exploitative, like transferring all of a perp's assets
to emself, and there would be no easy way to reverse it.
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urrent setup because a
SHALL violation causes the responsible party to cease being a party. Let
me do some drafting and see if I can amend AAA to make it work...
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#x27;t object to
> something like that).
>
>
>
Yep, e transferred some cards & coins to a (scam) contract, then
destroyed it as the only party.
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objection.
> arrgh me hearties, is there a reason nobody be objecting to this one.
>
>
Cuddlebeam's intent was only for coins, so it would require a new intent
for the pirates to get it (also, it's not like we could meaningfully
split it anyway).
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On 6/15/20 3:48 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 2020-06-15 01:46, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote:
>> the voting card failed, not necessarily the victory card
> Yes, that is what I meant.
>
:thonk:
Thanks for catching this.
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st
> plain ugly if you ask me.
There's an alternative of doing /3834 and /raw/3834, but good point
about the ugliness.
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On 6/14/20 2:03 PM, Jason Cobb wrote:
> On 6/14/20 1:53 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
>> On 6/14/2020 10:39 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
>>> RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8409-8430
>> Since we're talking about reporting and usage, can I mention (w
On 6/14/20 1:53 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/14/2020 10:39 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:
>> RESOLUTION OF PROPOSALS 8409-8430
> Since we're talking about reporting and usage, can I mention (with great
> appreciation for the work of Assessor
rver-side scripting i.e. php and that static versions I've
> experimented with are very ugly.
>
What I've done for Assessor is have a CI job generate static markdown
from the source in the main branch; I wonder if something similar could
be done for the case log.
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ally found an excuse to use awk for something, so whatever.
>
> Wow, that was a lot of boring words.
>
> TL;DR: https://agoranomic.org/Treasuror/test
>
> Tell me that's not beautiful. You can't!
It is indeed beautiful.
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On 6/14/20 10:02 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/14/20 8:55 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
>> On 6/14/20 7:04 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
>>> A large number of members of the github were owners. Owners can
>>> downgrade each other, de
ed
> to be.
>
Fine by me, although I am slightly concerned that bus factor for control
of the Github org has been lowered considerably.
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gt; the volume of currency exchanges, or one with the volumes of mails exchanged
> on each list over time would look nice.
> Or a hall of fame showing all the winners on golden plates.
> Or a very corporate-looking "sub-site" for the Dragon Corporation. The
> Startup Generator [1] could be an inspiration.
Ooh I like the idea of a website for the Dragon Corporation...
[0]: http://github.com/AgoraNomic/
[1]: http://zenith.homelinux.net/agora_acronyms.php
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he web content?
>
/shrug. This is kind of hard for me to answer because I feel fine right
now, but I'm sure that as soon as an improvement is made I will think
"how did I ever live without this?".
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On 6/13/20 11:48 PM, lucidiot via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Sunday 14 June 2020 05:33, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote:
>
>> On 2020-06-13 21:32, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
>>
>>>> -- Trigon Speaker and Treasuror of Agora; Former Rulekeepor (12
alted Earth; Sixth-Longest
> Continually Registered Player of Agora; Player and former Emperor of
> BlogNomic; Player, Book-keeper, and originator of the Metaruleset of
> Infinite Nomic.
And I thought this was going to be a temporary joke. How foolish of me.
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hich was (at one point) the name in
your email headers.
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On 6/13/20 9:29 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/13/20 8:24 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
>> On 6/13/20 9:22 PM, Rebecca via agora-business wrote:
>>> I have no idea what exact day I registered for Agora, but I know with
>>> certainty that it was mid
used". If the parameters can only be evaluated at the time of resolution
>> and not at the time of initiation, the specification arguably does not
>> meet that standard.
>>
>> --
>> Jason Cobb
>>
> Which part of those standards do you feel it doesn't m
uated at the time of resolution
and not at the time of initiation, the specification arguably does not
meet that standard.
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nother w/o objection intent to be transferred out.
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oit in the contract.
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o
do that), but if the goal is to protect from accidental abilities, then
I don't quite see how explicitly limiting only masters and zombies is
sufficient protection.
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On 6/13/20 2:07 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 11:01 AM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>> The master of a player CAN act on behalf of em to perform any action
>> except the following:
> You need to keep the word "zom
NOT deregister or be deregistered."
For each player who is not eir own prior master, transfer the talisman
for em to eir prior master.
}
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so that the rules didn't get into some crazy broken state.
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On 6/13/20 12:56 AM, Rebecca via agora-discussion wrote:
>> With the current concerns about the Internet Archive being sued out
>> existence, we may want to start archiving everything nomic-related on
>> the Wayback Machine.
>>
>> --
>> Jason Cobb
>>
>
gt; - The wiki linked on the header is outdated and unmaintained
With the current concerns about the Internet Archive being sued out
existence, we may want to start archiving everything nomic-related on
the Wayback Machine.
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ou were just
elected to...
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ion so you could fix any
> problems.
>
>
> [1] https://agoranomic.org/ruleset/flr-fresh.txt
>
> -Aris
Fixed, sorry. It was just me forgetting to "git push" the changes :P.
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On 6/12/20 6:35 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/12/20 4:45 PM, nch via agora-business wrote:
>> On 6/12/20 4:43 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
>>> On 6/12/20 5:42 PM, nch via agora-business wrote:
>>>> On 6/12/20 4:38 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-busi
On 6/12/20 5:20 PM, nch via agora-business wrote:
> Webmastor, NAX Exchange Manager, Pirate
>
>
This signature going to keep getting longer and longer, isn't it...
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On 6/12/20 2:20 PM, James Cook via agora-discussion wrote:
> I vote as follows:
NttPF
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act can't transfer coins to people, it can only authorize
people to transfer coins from it.
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e still got a
few other ways to harass you :).
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judged here:
>
> https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg36712.html
>
That judgment didn't find that a coin was transferred, it found that a
previous CFJ was about a coin being transferred.
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t the rules about stones escaping were fun. Also, there were
> some creative kinds of stone which you might want to combine with your
> list.
Oh yeah, I still want to see stones happen (although this is probably a
bad time...).
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uding by
> limiting the methods to perform that action to those specified
> within it.
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you're arguing that the Bazinga is a new entity and that it somehow
"is" a set, then go ahead and destroy it. Destroying a set of entities
does not necessarily imply destroying each of its elements.
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tration contract offers discretion in the size
> of the penalty which could be an advantage.
Interesting idea, but I don't think that needs to be in version 1.
>
> I'm not sure we've been using contracts heavily enough yet for any of
> these complicated things to make sense to use.
Fair point.
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r to myself, though I
do share Aris's sentiments about newly back players possibly having
interesting ideas. No disrespect to either of you was intended :).
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meone regardless of
> the outcome.
My reading is that on the first finger-point, the "number of times in
the last 7 days e has previously committed Shenanigans" is 0, since
there were no previous finger-points. That would mean it's not punishable.
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ndictment.
lacks a method to impose a fine
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On 6/10/20 4:42 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-discussion wrote:
> What is AIAN or DADA?
AIAN: Agora Is A Nomic, Rule 1698
DADA (I thought this was used recently, maybe not): Defense Against the
Dark Arts, Rule 2617
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can only override "CAN"s in rules of power-1 or less, so this
probably isn't very effective. (And, no, I'm not suggesting that you
raise it to AI-3. Doing that might even trigger AIAN or DADA somehow.)
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On 6/10/20 12:47 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:
> I award myself an Indigo ribbon.
>
> I raise a banner!
>
> (Super Mario music plays)
>
Congratulations!
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ots
are claimed to ensure that nothing breaks.
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On 6/9/20 9:35 PM, Jason Cobb wrote:
> Fixed. Clearly I need to improve my vim schools, as this is just
> embarrassing at this point :).
>
>
*skills*
/me is disappointed in my self
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On 6/9/20 9:18 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-discussion
wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 9, 2020 at 9:04 PM Jason Cobb via agora-discussion
> wrote:
>> What follows is a proto-contract to provide independent dispute
>> resolution for alleged contract violations. Like arbit
t Limit for that case.
In a timely fashion after resolving an Arbitration Case, the Arbitrator
for that case CAN once, by announcement, transfer 4 coins from this
contract to emself.
When an Arbitration Case is resolved, it becomes closed.
}
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uld possibly be construed to allow
mousetrapping em into tracking private assets.
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On 6/8/20 6:37 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 6/8/2020 3:30 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 3:28 PM Kerim Aydin wrote:
>>> On 6/8/2020 3:13 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
>>>> The statement of the C
gora" in the preceding CFJ, I find TRUE.
[0]: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3535
[1]: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/?3536
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on had to explicitly consent
to that specific change, but a failure to do that doesn't necessarily
preclude the other conditions from saying e consented.
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when writing the proposal to allow
people to create blots for themselves. My idea was that their would be
some arbitration contract that authorizes acting-on-behalf to create
blots for violations, with other contracts forcing opt-ins to the
arbitration to be able to join. I never got around to writing up the
arbitration contract, though.
Another, potentially simpler, solution would be to expand the SHALL in
R1742 to allow contracts to specify base values of crimes other than the
default 2.
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issed it. If any such pledges were made, could someone please
> bring them to my attention? :)
I one at [0].
[0]:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-June/043039.html
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issed it. If any such pledges were made, could someone please
> bring them to my attention? :)
I made one at [0].
[0]:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-June/043039.html
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On 6/7/20 10:15 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> Is it only happening when I switch to a different mailing list in a thread?
> KMail might be erasing those headers if I manually change the TO address.
Yep, it appears so.
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On 6/7/20 6:35 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 2020-06-07 14:07, Jason Cobb via agora-discussion wrote:
>> My thunderbird install isn't threading some of nch's messages correctly.
>> Is this is happening for anybody else?
> How interesting. I hadn&#
onsent to this change. Having the consent of all three members, I make
>> the above described change.
>>
>> --
>> nch
> TTttPF
>
My thunderbird install isn't threading some of nch's messages correctly.
Is this is happening for anybody else?
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On 6/7/20 4:00 PM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> I consent to this change. Having the consent of all three members, I make the
> above described change.
NttPF.
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pages.
>
Done.
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;t find it,
> but pretty easy to re-write.
>
> It's really simple if you know Diplomacy:
Well this sounds really fun. I guess it's time for me to learn the rules
of Diplomacy...
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On 6/7/20 10:29 AM, Alex Smith via agora-discussion wrote:
> One partial fix that can be implemented right now, without any ruleset
> changes, would be a change in the standard method for AGAINST votes aimed at
> denying side effects (without disagreeing with the proposal): make them
> condition
aring at the ruleset with a voting hangover thinking "what the heck did
> we just do." All good.
*realizes that I'm going to have to apply all of those changes to the
ruleset*
In all seriousness: Aris, it's been wonderful to play this game with
you, and it would be a terrible thing to lose you. Congrats on graduating?
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ournament in that format because it would require significant activity
> off-list.
+1 for things being on list
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On 6/6/20 3:20 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote:
> On 2020-06-06 13:18, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:
>> On 6/6/20 3:13 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote:
>>> I intend to declare apathy.
>>
>> Haha no.
>>
>> I object.
> Dar
ex: 1.5
> Author: Aris
> Co-authors: Alexis
>
>
> Amend Rule 649, "Patent Titles", by appending to the last paragraph:
>
> Any player CAN award a specified Patent Title to a specified player,
> if authorized by the Herald's Administrative Regulations.
I think this either needs a "by announcement" or to specify that the
regulations determine the methods through which the awarding can be done.
Otherwise, I think the protos look good, and I would vote for them.
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On 6/6/20 11:01 AM, nch via agora-discussion wrote:
> On Saturday, June 6, 2020 5:51:33 AM CDT Rebecca via agora-business wrote:
>> I initiate the said prime minister election and become a candidate
> I become a candidate for the prime minister election.
>
NttPF.
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On 6/6/20 10:20 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:
> Due to deputisation, if the Assessor didn't resolve it it would basically
> be "without objection" to not resolve it.
Well that's comforting.
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candidate ceases to be a candidate if e ceases to
> be a player during the election or if holding the office would
> make em Overpowered.
There's a mechanism to become a candidate, but no mechanism to cease
being a candidate. This election has two candidates - you and ATMunn,
and is thus contested.
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to me.
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On 6/4/20 8:18 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:
> I retract this proposal.
>
> -Aris
"I retract this proposal.", said Aris to the discussion forum.
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AN, in a timely fashion, expunge P
> blots from emself, where P is the minimum of the value of the fine
> and 3
If you give a fine of 2 blots, min(fine_value, 3) = min(2, 3) = 2, so
why is there an issue?
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hington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/ )
> |- Registrar ( https://agoranomic.org/Registrar/ )
I may be biased with respect to its usefulness, but there is the
Assessor archives at [0].
[0]: https://agoranomic.org/assessor/
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On 6/3/20 5:38 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-discussion wrote:
> Alright. And would you prefer an action signal or officer signal for votes?
Either way works, so I would just say be consistent with the guidance
for other offices.
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sessor, It would be helpful if people are going to vote outside of
the main distribution thread (which happens occasionally). For
Rulekeepor, I think cleaning is about it.
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istrar" with "the
> rule entitled "Cantus Cygneus"".
Honestly, it might just be better to nuke the last paragraph of that
rule - it doesn't really add anything.
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On 6/3/20 4:25 PM, nch via agora-business wrote:
> I'm sorry to do this but it'll cause trouble if it ratifies...
Notary reports aren't self-ratifying.
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ulekeepor/Assessor.
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ns
other than the author".
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> in the opinions of my honorable colleague the Assessor, since another
> distribution would create greater work for em.
>
> -Aris
That's fine by me.
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port is self-ratifying.
Also, there were two intents - one with the rogue dashes (the one I
objected to) and the one without (and to which nobody objected).
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an
I'm going to resolve it and let it self-ratify into existence.
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he future. I grant Jason 3
> coins.
>
> -Aris
>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 4:16 PM Kerim Aydin via agora-business <
> agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:
>
>> Think I'm just barely in time for the party? Happy Agoran birthday Jason
>> and may there be more, I gra
eir winnings?
Fine by me.
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On 5/31/20 8:17 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:
> what's this? this is new since I last payed attention to Agora
If you earn a ribbon that you already own, then you can get (# of
players who do not own that ribbon) + 1 coins instead. See Rules 2438 +
2602 for the details.
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on the website.
[0]:
https://github.com/AgoraNomic/agoranomic.github.io/commit/b0d4946f5b82101bb356853e92d0e1ae1e441bb1
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