DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8645-8654

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 3/15/2022 19:40, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:

PROPOSAL 8645 (Some RTRW Clean-Ups)
AUTHOR: ATMunn
CLASS: DEMOCRATIC
FOR (8): Aspen, G., Jason, Madrid!, Murphy, Trigon@, ais523, nix@
AGAINST (1): Secretsnail9
PRESENT (0):
BALLOTS: 9
AI (F/A): 20/3 (AI=3.0)
POPULARITY: 0.778
OUTCOME: ADOPTED
[
Aspen: Jason is the Rulekeepor: Endorsement of Jason
]


From the passing of this proposal, I qualify for a red ribbon. However, 
only players can award ribbons. If anyone would be so kind as to award 
me one, it would be greatly appreciated.


--
ATMunn

DIS: Re: BUS: [promise] trading secretly with a snail

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 3/14/2022 13:47, ais523 via agora-business wrote:

On Mon, 2022-03-14 at 13:41 -0400, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:

I grant secretsnail the following promise:

{
Cashing conditions: In the same message as cashing, the bearer has
transferred me two justice cards.

I transfer 1 winsome, 2 pendants, and 2 votives to the bearer.
}


secretsnail, I'm prepared to outbid this offer.

I grant secretsnail the following promise:
{
Cashing conditions: In the same message as cashing, the bearer has
transferred me two justice cards, and it is 14 or 15 March 2022.

I transfer 20 Decipoints, 2 pendants, and 3 votives to the bearer.
}

(10 Decipoints are worth 1 Winsome.)



Secretsnail said on Discord that e didn't see your offer in time. I only
need 4 blot-be-gones though, so if you would like to do a 4-6 split, I
would be more than willing to do so.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Arrivals and Departures (Monthly)

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

For the record, I fully support secretsnail taking over Registrar. I
didn't realize how busy I would be IRL when I signed up for it, and I
apologize for my tardiness with it.

On 2/21/2022 22:36, secretsnail9 via agora-official wrote:

I deputize (not temporarily) as Registrar to publish the below report.


Below is the Registrar's Monthly Report.


Arrivals and Departures

Date of last report: 03 Nov 21
Date of this report: 22 Feb 22

Archive of reports on the web*: https://agoranomic.org/Registrar/
*not up to date

Recent Changes:
23-Jul-21   Pat registers.
27-Jul-21   D. Wet registers.
24-Aug-21   R. Lee deregisters slam_joe without 3 objections.
24-Aug-21   R. Lee deregisters Aenet without 3 objections.
24-Aug-21   R. Lee deregisters Ubercrow without 3 objections.
19-Sep-21   R. Lee deregisters in a Writ of FAGE.
22-Sep-21   BigBobBingo ! registers.
25-Sep-21   Trapdoorspyder registers.
03-Oct-21   Benbot² registers.
03-Oct-21   Shy Owl registers.
07-Oct-21   redtara registers.
22-Oct-21   R. Lee rgisters.
22-Oct-21   Shy Owl deactivates seventeenMachine with notice.
22-Oct-21   Shy Owl deactivates Pat with notice.
22-Oct-21   Shy Owl deactivates surprise with notice.
22-Oct-21   Shy Owl deactivates Nathan with notice.
22-Oct-21   Shy Owl deregisters Jumble without 3 objections.
26-Oct-21   Telna deregisters.
03-Nov-21   Shy Owl deregisters.
12-Nov-21   tris registers.
28-Jan-22   Sgeo registers.
29-Jan-22   secretsnail registers.
07-Feb-22   TABBAT registers.
22-Feb-22   Falsifian deregisters.

No information in this report is subject to self-ratification.


Writs of FAGE (Rule 1789)
PlayerDate
--
Kelly 17 Sep 95
Andre 13 Feb 99
BobTHJ16 Jan 08
P1 5 Nov 08
P2 5 Nov 08
P3 to P100 [1] 6 Nov 08
Wooble01 Sep 11
G.29 Jun 17
Telnaior  29 Jan 19
Warrigal  23 Apr 20

[1] P3 to P100 inclusive each deregistered in writs of FAGE on this
 date.


Registration history of persons who have registered and deregistered
at least once (imperfect, corrections welcomed)

(a)bandoned   (l)awless
(v)oluntary   (d)eported
(w)rit of FAGEderegistered emself by mista(k)e
(p)roposald(e)stroyed
(r)atification(u)known
e(x)iled  (s)till registered


abbreviation & player contact registered   deregistered
- --- --   

Left in 1994:

(There's some discussion of this section's dates in a February-March 2021
thread in agora-discussion with subject "[Registrar] Monthly Report".)

u Alexx   alexx at world.std.com<= 5 Apr 94
u Andy Latto  andyl at harlequin.com<= 5 Apr 94
u Douglas Jahnke  chaotic at ksuvm.ksu.edu  <= 5 Apr 94
u Jim jcs at zycor.lgc.com  <= 5 Apr 94
u Karl Anderson   karl at reed.edu  <= 5 Apr 94
u Kirtdankmyer at ac.grin.edu   <= 5 Apr 94
u Mattpardo at gibbs.oit.unc.edu<= 5 Apr 94
v Waggie  dgwagner at math.uwaterloo.ca <= 5 Apr 94
u Wes wesc at ichips.intel.com  <= 5 Apr 94
u Timothy timothy.ferguson at jcu.edu.au<=12 Sep 94

Left in 1995:
u Dave Bowen  david.bowen at cray.com<= 5 Apr 94unknown
u Nicol   dnicol at primus.cstp.umkc.edu <= 5 Apr 94unknown
u Lance   lab at biostat.mc.duke.edu <= 5 Apr 94unknown
u Stella? kunne at cernvm.cern.ch<= 5 Apr 94unknown
u Alice   cat at orion.mrc.unm.edu   <= 5 Apr 94unknown
u Duane   duanew at atlas.com<= 5 Apr 94unknown
u Eric Scheirer   escheire at cim470.mitre.org   <= 5 Apr 94unknown
u Gustalff Zibrowski  clarkc at cpsc.ucalgary.ca <= 5 Apr 94unknown
u Larry Smithmier smithmierjr at uamont.edu  <= 5 Apr 94unknown
u Jason2 95
u Susan  95
u Brian GreerAug 95
u TALkunne at ipno.in2p3.fr  Aug 95
u Pascal jreed at waun.tdsnet.com95  Aug 95
u JonRockOct 95
u Garth  Sep 95  Oct 95
u wutold Oct 95  Oct 95
u Einstein   Oct 95
u Jeffrey S.   

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] deregging people

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 2/18/2022 17:37, ATMunn wrote:

On 2/18/2022 17:32, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:

On 2/18/2022 14:31, ATMunn via agora-official wrote:

I intend, with notice, to deactivate Telna.


This does nothing; Telna is not a player.



Actually, because I am terrible at being the Registrar, the latest
report has self-ratified; thus making Telna a player again.



And apparently there's also a CFJ meaning that this can't happen, so 
Telna is not a player. So sorry for the spam.


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] deregging people

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 2/18/2022 17:32, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:

On 2/18/2022 14:31, ATMunn via agora-official wrote:

I intend, with notice, to deactivate Telna.


This does nothing; Telna is not a player.



Actually, because I am terrible at being the Registrar, the latest
report has self-ratified; thus making Telna a player again.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] deregging people

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 2/18/2022 14:31, ATMunn via agora-official wrote:

I intend, with notice, to deactivate Telna.


This does nothing; Telna is not a player.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Rulekeepor] RTRW Recording

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 2/8/2022 15:16, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:

Well it looks like we're going with recording people reading the ruleset.

Reading will be done using the Short Logical Ruleset published on 8 Feb
2022, which has 146 rules.

The following persons have stated on Discord that they wish to participate:

* ATMunn

* nix

* Jason

* Gaelan

* Trigon

* cuddlybanana


If you are not on the above list, please respond to this email if you
wish to participate.

As for how to assign rules, I will accept up to 5 first-come-first-serve
claims per person in replies to this email. Any remaining rules will be
assigned as I see fit (probably randomly).

I will accept opt-ins and dibs for the next 24 hours before assigning
the remaining rules.



I call dibs on the following rules:

* Rule 2450 (Pledges)

* Rule 2618 (Promises)

* Rule 1742 (Contracts)

* Rule 2608 (The Notary)

* Rule 2631 (Charities)

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] The Agoran Directory (weekly report)

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 1/31/2022 12:27, Sgeo via agora-discussion wrote:

My listed birthday should be 27 Jun 08 if I understand "birthday"
correctly.

My first registration is listed as "a Sgeo   sgeoster at
gmail.com27 Jun 08   31 Jul 11"


My bad; I forgot that you were registered previously. This will be fixed 
for the next report.


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 12/20/2021 15:50, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote:

On Mon, 2021-12-20 at 21:49 +0100, nethack4.org dicebot via agora-
business wrote:

The dice roll was: 12
This is R683, Voting on Agoran Decisions.


For reference:
{{{
   An entity submits a ballot on an Agoran decision by publishing a
   notice satisfying the following conditions:
   
   1. The ballot is submitted during the voting period for the

  decision.
   
   2. The entity casting the ballot (the voter) was, at the

  initiation of the decision, a player.
   
   3. The ballot clearly identifies the matter to be decided.
   
   4. The ballot clearly identifies a valid vote, as determined by

  the voting method.
   
   5. The ballot clearly sets forth the voter's intent to place

  the identified vote.
   
   6. The voter has no other valid ballots on the same decision.
   
   A valid ballot is a ballot, correctly submitted, that has not been

   withdrawn. During the voting period of an Agoran decision, an
   entity CAN by announcement withdraw (syn. retract) a ballot that e
   submitted on that decision. To "change" one's vote is to retract
   eir previous ballot (if any), then submit a new one. Submitting
   and withdrawing ballots is secured.
}}}

Any suggestions? We have lots of short sentences to choose from, which
means we may be able to create something great here.



"The entity casting the ballot (the voter) was, at the initiation of the 
decision, a device."


"The device clearly sets forth the voter's intent to place the 
identified vote."


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Mad Engineer weekly random rule selection

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 11/15/2021 10:02, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote:

On Mon, 2021-11-15 at 16:00 +0100, nethack4.org dicebot via agora-
business wrote:

This is R991, Calls for Judgement.


For reference:
{{{
   Any person (the initiator) can initiate a Call for Judgement (CFJ,
   syn. Judicial Case), specifying a statement to be inquired into by
   announcement.
   
   When a person initiates a Call for Judgement, e CAN optionally bar

   one person from the case by announcement.
   
   At any time, each CFJ is either open (default), suspended, or

   assigned exactly one judgement that was validly assigned.
   
   The Arbitor is an office, responsible for the administration of

   justice in a manner that is fair for emself, if not for the rest
   of Agora.
   
   Judge is an untracked CFJ switch with possible values of any

   person or former person, or "unassigned" (default). To "assign" a
   CFJ to a person is to flip that CFJ's judge to that person.  To
   "remove" or "recuse" a person from a being the judge of a CFJ is
   to flip that CFJ's judge from that person to unassigned.
   
   When an open CFJ's judge is unassigned, the Arbitor CAN assign any

   eligible player to be its judge by announcement, and SHALL do so
   in a timely fashion after it becomes an open and unassigned CFJ.
   The players eligible to be assigned as judge are all active
   players except the initiator and the person barred (if any). The
   Arbitor SHALL assign judges over time such that all interested
   players have reasonably equal opportunities to judge.  If a CFJ
   has no judge assigned, then any player eligible to judge that CFJ
   CAN assign it to emself without 3 objections.
   
   The Arbitor's weekly report includes a summary of recent judicial

   case activity, including open and recently-judged cases, recent
   judicial assignments, and a list of players interested in judging.
}}}

Lots of nice short sentences here, so it may well be possible to come
up with something that works quite well.



A few (mediocre) suggestions:

"At any time, each device is either open (default), suspended, or
assigned exactly one judgement that was validly assigned."

"If a device has no judge assigned, then any player eligible to judge
that device CAN assign it to emself without 3 objections."

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] October Stone Auction Distribution

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 10/18/2021 16:55, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:

I perform the following actions if and only if they all succeed:

{

I destroy 305 of Trigon's coins.

I cause the Alchemry Stone to be transferred to Trigon.

}


Probably inconsequential typo: "Alchemry"

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Contract] THE BUTTON is dead, long live The Button!

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 10/1/2021 11:11, Rose Strong via agora-discussion wrote:

I become a party to the button.



NttPF

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: Agora & Friends Diplomacy

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

Hello everyone! After the success of last year's Diplonomic tournament,
several people on the Discord server expressed interest in playing
Diplomacy again. We decided not to do it as an official tournament in
Agora, but rather just a fun side thing. An advantage of doing it this
way is that we can use a website to run the game, meaning we don't need
a gamemaster. We will be using the website Backstabbr
(https://www.backstabbr.com).

Another thing we decided is to do teams. Last year, Aspen and Trigon
formed a team and played together as England. They both expressed that
they really enjoyed that and wanted to do that again. By doing teams of
2, we can get up to 14 players.

To fill all these spots, I've also sent an invitation to those on the
Infinite Nomic Discord server.

If anyone is interested, go ahead and sign up here:
https://forms.gle/LBtbF5Db5Ctvye3U8

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Trading with Trigon [attn. Treasuror, Referee]

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 9/1/2021 10:52, Trigon via agora-discussion wrote:

On 01/09/2021 13:05, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:

On 9/1/2021 00:00, Aspen via agora-discussion wrote:

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 8:57 PM Trigon via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:


On 01/09/2021 03:55, Trigon wrote:

On 01/09/2021 02:46, Trigon wrote:

On 01/09/2021 02:43, Aspen via agora-business wrote:

I grant the Library the following promise:

{
Cashing condition: if this promise is cached, by the end of the
message in
which this promise is cashed, the bearer will have transferred 5
blot-b-gones to me.

I transfer two justice cards to the bearer.
}

-Aspen



I cash this promise.

I pay a set of four Justice Cards to create in my possession a set of
ten Blot-B-Gones.

I transfer five Blot-B-Gones to Aspen and thank em for doing business
with me.



Ineffective. I did not have the promise, the library did.

I transfer the quoted promise from the library to myself, then I cash
that promise, pay a set of 4jc to get 10bg, and transfer 5bg to Aspen.



And while I'm here, I expunge one blot from myself by destroying a
blot-b-gone.





--
Trigon



Flagging for the Referee.

Also, I expunge two blots from myself, destroying a blot-b-gone for 
each.


-Aspen



NttPF.



I don't know what you mean. It hit the a-b archive.

https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2021-September/047363.html 





Interesting. The To and From addresses are both a-d, but a-b is CC'd. 
(at least, that's how it shows for me) I guess CC is good enough for the 
archive?


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Trading with Trigon [attn. Treasuror, Referee]

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 9/1/2021 00:00, Aspen via agora-discussion wrote:

On Tue, Aug 31, 2021 at 8:57 PM Trigon via agora-business <
agora-busin...@agoranomic.org> wrote:


On 01/09/2021 03:55, Trigon wrote:

On 01/09/2021 02:46, Trigon wrote:

On 01/09/2021 02:43, Aspen via agora-business wrote:

I grant the Library the following promise:

{
Cashing condition: if this promise is cached, by the end of the
message in
which this promise is cashed, the bearer will have transferred 5
blot-b-gones to me.

I transfer two justice cards to the bearer.
}

-Aspen



I cash this promise.

I pay a set of four Justice Cards to create in my possession a set of
ten Blot-B-Gones.

I transfer five Blot-B-Gones to Aspen and thank em for doing business
with me.



Ineffective. I did not have the promise, the library did.

I transfer the quoted promise from the library to myself, then I cash
that promise, pay a set of 4jc to get 10bg, and transfer 5bg to Aspen.



And while I'm here, I expunge one blot from myself by destroying a
blot-b-gone.





--
Trigon



Flagging for the Referee.

Also, I expunge two blots from myself, destroying a blot-b-gone for each.

-Aspen



NttPF.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: Re: [contract] @Notary Re: BUS: Fruit? Fruit. [attn. Notary]

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/23/2021 21:04, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:

On 7/23/21 8:10 PM, Jason Cobb wrote:

On 7/23/21 8:06 PM, Trigon via agora-business wrote:

On 23/07/2021 23:57, Telna via agora-business wrote:

I become an Orchardor, becoming party to The Orchard.

Well, this is happening.

I PLANT A TREE, specifying potatoes as the fruit type.

I PICK FRUIT.

And while I'm at it, I PLANT POTATOES.


I PLANT A TREE, specifying "" as the fruit type.

I PICK FRUIT.



This notary message notary contains notary no notary game notary actions.

Just notary flagging notary for notary the notary notarty.



I point the finger at Jason for committing the class-2 crime of 
Redundantly Using Redundant Redundancy.


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (contracts)

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 6/29/2021 21:07, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:

"Agoran Press" (revision 1)


...


History:

13 Aug 15:22 2020: contract created by Falsifian


MoE: This isn't in UTC. According to my Sent folder, I created it
2021-08-14 at 03:22 UTC.



I assume you mean 2020, not 2021?

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Voting for Prime Minister

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 6/28/2021 11:05, ATMunn wrote:

On 6/27/2021 17:03, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote:
I initiate an Agoran decision to eslect the winner of the election for 
Prime Minister.


   * The Vote Collector is the ADoP (me).

   * The valid options are ais523, ATMunn, G., R. Lee, and anyone else
 who becomes a candidate before voting ends.

   * The voting method is instant runoff.


I vote [ATMunn, ais523, Falsifian, R. Lee].



Whoops, apologies for sending to OFF.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: crickets

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 6/19/2021 8:54 PM, ais523 via agora-business wrote:

On Sat, 2021-06-19 at 20:53 -0400, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:

I intend, without objection, to declare apathy.


NttPF.

I object anyway.



IWAStBttPF (It Wasn't Actually Supposed to Be to the Public Forum)

Just verifying the lists are still up. :P

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: crickets

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

I intend, without objection, to declare apathy.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract & Promise Cleanup

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 6/18/2021 5:28 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:




On Jun 18, 2021, at 8:46 AM, ATMunn via agora-business 
 wrote:

Good point. I intend, without objection, to revoke the promise
"Treasure" from the Lost and Found Department


I object; I believe the intent of that promise was to provide a prize for anyone 
with a way to steal from the L

Gaelan



My reason behind the attempt was that
1) it's been there for a long time and
2) inflation means that 200 coins is becoming less and less valuable.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (pledges & promises) [@Treasuror]

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 6/14/2021 1:08 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote:

On Fri, 2021-05-28 at 20:42 -0400, ATMunn via agora-official wrote:

9 instances of the following promise exist:

"Two by two" created by Murphy
Bearer: the Library
Text:

Cashing conditions:

  * If the bearer is me, then no other conditions need to be met.

  * The bearer specifies exactly one type of Card.

  * The bearer has transferred two of that Card to me earlier in the
same message, without cashing any of my other promises or reducing
my instances of that Card in between.

  * Before that transfer, I had less than four of that Card.

  * I now have at least four of that Card.

If the bearer is me, then I do nothing; otherwise, I pay a set of four
of that Card, then transfer half the resulting products to the bearer.



On Sun, 2021-06-13 at 23:19 +, Trigon via agora-official wrote:

ASSET BALANCES   (self-ratifies)


 Player(+a)  cn wcjclcvcwpbgpdxv
   ==  ==                
Murphy3043 1 1 1 1 0 0 0 0


On Tue, 2021-06-15 at 02:29 +1000, Telna via agora-business wrote:

I transfer Murphy one Legislative card.


If the following three actions would cause Murphy to transfer five
Pendants to me, then I perform them, otherwise I do not perform them:

* I transfer Murphy two Legislative Cards.
* I take a "Two by two" promise from the Library.
* I cash a "Two by two" promise, specifying Legislative Cards.

(I believe they do cause Murphy to transfer me five Pendants, based on
the messages quoted above.)



NttPF

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 4/4/2021 5:04 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote:

ATMunn wrote:


On 3/28/2021 2:54 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote:


WEEKLY REPORTS

Office Report    Last Published Late[1]

ADoP   Offices   2021-03-21[2]
Arbitor    Judicial matters  2021-03-25
Notary Contracts 2021-03-18
Promotor   Proposal pool 2021-03-21
Referee    Rule violations   2021-03-07 !!
Registrar  Players, Fora 2021-03-27 (vacant)
Rulekeepor Short Logical Ruleset 2021-03-11 !
Stonemason Stones    2021-03-24
Tailor Glitter values    2021-03-28
Treasuror  Coins, other currencies   2021-03-25

[1] ! = 1 period missed, !! = 2, !!! = 3+
[2] Not including this report


CoE: I published a Notary report on the 24th:
https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2021-March/014749.html 

https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-official/2021-March/014750.html 



Admitted. (It was listed in the detail section, but the weekly/monthly
flag was apparently missed out; I should fix the update script to block
in that situation.)


You also didn't give me a salary for that report - that's all I really
care about, lol. I won't point a finger though as long as it gets done
reasonably soon.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (pledges & promises)

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 4/3/2021 3:32 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote:

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 7:49 AM ATMunn via agora-official
 wrote:


This is a continuation of the Notary's weekly report. Information about
contracts can be found in a separate message.


 HISTORY OF PLEDGES & PROMISES =


21 Mar 2021: Jason made the pledge "General objection"
-- time of last report --
11 Mar 2021: The pledge "You can make it happen, R. Lee!" expired
-- 2 reports ago --
09 Mar 2021: Aris cashed the promise e created
09 Mar 2021: Aris created a promise
06 Mar 2021: The pledge "Referee Electoral Pledge" expired
01 Mar 2021: The pledge "CFJ annotations please" expired
28 Feb 2021: G. cashed the promise "Neverending PRESENT"[2]
28 Feb 2021: G. created the promise "Neverending PRESENT"
-- 3 reports ago --
20 Feb 2021: Falsifian destroyed the promise "Hopefully Last Assignment
Fallback" w/o objection
20 Feb 2021: Falsifian destroyed the promise "Another Assginment
Fallback" w/o objection
20 Feb 2021: Falsifian destroyed the promise "Assignment Fallback" w/o
objection
17 Feb 2021: G. cashed an instance of the promise "Two by two"
14 Feb 2021: Falsifian created the promise "Hopefully Last Assignment
Fallback"
14 Feb 2021: Jason cashed the promise created by Falsifian
14 Feb 2021: Falsifian created a promise
14 Feb 2021: Murphy granted nix the promise "Ratification compensation"
11 Feb 2021: Aris cashed the promise "Guess That Agoran"
08 Feb 2021: Trigon cashed the promise created by Jason
08 Feb 2021: Jason created a promise
08 Feb 2021: nix's pledge expired
06 Feb 2021: Jason cashed the promise nix granted em
06 Feb 2021: nix granted Jason a promise
06 Feb 2021: Jason cashed the promise created by Gaelan
04 Feb 2021: ATMunn[1] created the promise "Guess That Agoran"
03 Feb 2021: Falsifian cashed the promise nix granted em
03 Feb 2021: nix granted Falsifian an promise
03 Feb 2021: G. made the pledge "Rational dictatorship"
03 Feb 2021: Gaelan made the pledge "Keeping secrecy"
03 Feb 2021: Gaelan created a promise
02 Feb 2021: nix cashed the promise created by Aris
02 Feb 2021: Aris created a promise
02 Feb 2021: nix made a pledge

[1] Sent from the email address "bunny.voo...@gmail.com"; this player
  was later revealed to be ATMunn.
[2] The promise purports to create another promise upon cashing and then
  immediately cash that new promise; the effectiveness of this is
  PARADOXICAL under CFJ 3901.


CoE: This is a misreading of CFJ 3901. CFJ 3901 stated that the
statement "The cashing of one or more promises created by G. has been
EFFECTIVE at changing the final vote tally and/or number of voters  on
the referendum to adopt Proposal 8543, for the purposes of R208, R879,
and/or R2623." was PARADOXICAL. The PARADOX was in the effect of the
promise, not the cashing; the promise was unambiguously cashed. Unless
I'm mistaken, the promise no longer exists, so the portion of your
report saying it does is in error.

-Aris



I wasn't really sure how to interpret that - thanks for the heads up. I
don't have time to fix it right now but I will as soon as I can.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: Re: BUS: [Emergency] Please remain calm (@ADoP)

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 2/3/2021 10:22 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:


It has come to my attention that, unfortunately, the Prime Minister has
lost the confidence of the glorious Regulations of G.ravity.

I cause Second Regulation of G.ravity to remove the current Prime Minister
from Office.

Unfortunately, I also fear that the anti-democrats calling themselves a
democratic society, may attempt a move against the Regulations via
deputization, so the office cannot remain empty.

I cause Second Regulation of G.ravity to appoint myself to the office of
Prime Minister.

I respond to the recent petition to the Prime Minister as follows: "please
calm yourself citizens, these actions are unnecessary!"

To calm fears:  I pledge that I will not use the G.ravity regulations to
manipulate any office holding other than Prime Minister and possibly
Speaker.  Doing so to other offices would be stupid.

This move is strictly temporary.  I notice there is a free and fair
election for the office currently ongoing.  I invite prospective nominees
to share their positions on the great Regulations!

-G.

[Aside:  I don't think Emergency Regulations are necessarily overpowered
per se, but Prime mininster -> controls Emergency Regs -> Controls PM is
too unfortunate of a tidy logical loop to leave sitting there...]



:(

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister in exile :(

Re: DIS: Re: [@Treasuror] Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] December Stone Auction Resolution

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 12/9/2020 11:12 PM, Lucidiot via agora-discussion wrote:

Le 10/12/2020 à 02:35, ATMunn via agora-business a écrit :


On 12/9/2020 8:30 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:

On 12/9/2020 7:13 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:

This auction was a selective-bid auction. The awardees are as follows:
[Protection Stone] -> Murphy for 135 coins.
[Sabotage Stone]   -> Murphy for 130 coins.
[Wealth Stone] -> ATMunn for 169 coins.


I pay a fee of 169 coins to transfer the Wealth Stone from Agora to
myself (for real this time).



I wield my Wealth Stone in order to cause myself to earn 5 boatloads of
coins (23 coins).



There was a mistake in the rounding method in the Floating Rate
Schedule, it's actually 24 coins.
(ceiling(4.6212*5) = 24, but Trigon used floor)

I don't know if it should be CoE'd



I think it's fine as long as the Treasuror records it correctly. The
important thing is that I wielded the stone and specified myself.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Stonemason] December Stone Auction

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 12/5/2020 6:06 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote:

I bid 140 coins, specifying Wealth Stone as the desired lot.


The highest bid is currently 169 coins for the Wealth Stone.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

Re: DIS: @Treasuror Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8524-8525

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 11/30/2020 9:52 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote:


On 11/30/20 7:31 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:

PROPOSAL 8524 (Agora's Stones Are Immune)
AUTHOR: nix
CLASS: ORDINARY
CHAMBER: ECONOMY
SPONSORED: YES
FOR (7): ATMunn&, Falsifian, Jason, Murphy, lucidiot, nix%, twg
AGAINST (0):
PRESENT (2): Aris, Gaelan
BALLOTS: 9
AI (F/A): 27/0 (AI=2.0)
POPULARITY: 0.778
OUTCOME: ADOPTED
[
twg: Endorsement of Falsifian
]



Pursuant of the popular proposal reward, I grant myself a legislative card.



NttPF.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Splat Market] Order Book

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 11/22/2020 6:50 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-official wrote:

The following orders (as defined by the Splat Market contract) exist:

Legislative Cards:
2x buy @ 60 coins (Gaelan)

Pendants:
1x sell @ 40 coins (Gaelan)
5x buy  @ 30 coins (Gaelan)

Extra Votes:
4x sell @ 5 coins (nix)

Blot-B-Gones:
1x sell @ 50 coins (Gaelan)

(Dragon QuickExchange) Legislative Credits:
12x sell @ 1 coin (Gaelan)

Gaelan



Did my previous orders get executed? I don't feel like I remember that
happening, but I also could just be having bad memory.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Last Week in Agora

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 11/16/2020 3:19 PM, Lucidiot via agora-official wrote:

Archived at
https://github.com/AgoraNomic/Reportor/tree/master/weekly_summaries

Below is the report for the week of 2020-11-09..15:


# Summary

Welcome Shy Owl, for real this time!

This week starts in silence, enough to make some wonder if the lists are
working. A burst of activity happened with the first stone auction and
bugfixes on stone rules. Some ratified mistakes get fixed and Falsifian
finally gets some coworkers at the Agoran Press. Meanwhile,

# Voting

* Voting concludes on Proposal 8522 (cleanup of Rule 2531).

* Voting begins on Proposal 8523, a fix for the Concentration Stone in
Rule 2645 (see "Stones" below).

# New players

* Shy Owl registers. Thread: "Intention to Register"

# Stones

* The Stonemason initiates the first stone auction. Thread:
"[Stonemason] Throwing Stones"

* Aris, nix and Jason submit and pend a proposal to fix Rule 2645, as a
player with an Economy Focus and a Concentration Stone could earn over
700 coins in a month. Aris, as Promotor, distributes it immediately.
Thread: "[Proposal] Emergency Economy Unbreaking"

* nix submits a proposal to tidy up Rule 2643 and prevent stealing
stones from Agora using the Soul Stone. Thread: "[Proposal] Agora's
Stones Are Immune"

# Rule questions

* Does a "SHALL" in an auction regulation constitute a pledge? CFJ 3888
gets assigned to nix.

* Is the Webmastor an office? Jason judges CFJ 3889 TRUE after noticing
a mistake was made when applying Proposal 8388. Threads: "CFJ",
"[Arbitor] CFJ 3889 Assigned to Jason [attn. Notary]"

# Meta

* lucidiot and Murphy join the Agoran Press, and Murphy unsuccessfully
attempts to take next week's assignment. Thread: "@Treasuror [Agoran
Press Editor] Payroll and Salary Claim"

* The Agoran Press follows the inflation updates and switches to
boatloads of coins. Thread: "@Notary [Agoran Press] Giving myself a raise"

# Miscellaneous

* Jason transfers the talismans of Tyler, Zyborg, Fred and Shelvacu to
Agora, then announces intent to deregister em. Threads: "Zombification
[attn. Shelvacu]", "[Registrar] Expedited export"

* nix ratifies without objection that e owns three pendants missing from
the Treasuror's reports. Thread: "@Treasuror RWO Asset Recovery"

* Murphy announces intent to award the Patent Title of Hard Labor to
Publius Scribonius Scholasticus for eir work as Referee, Tailor and
Herald. Thread: "Intent to award Patent Title [attn Herald]"



I didn't even notice that this wasn't done by Falsifian until today.
Well done!

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

Re: DIS: Should We Save Honor?

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 11/16/2020 1:55 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote:


On 11/16/20 12:51 PM, Aris Merchant wrote:

On Mon, Nov 16, 2020 at 10:45 AM nix via agora-discussion
 wrote:


On 11/16/20 12:41 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote:

On 11/16/20 12:40 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:

The honor/karma system seems to have fallen largely out of use. Should
we try to fix it, and if so, what do we need to do?

-Aris

I'm in favor of either repealing it or reverting to something more
similar to the summer version. I just don't find this version interesting.

Sorry about the double-post. Thought I canceled this send in time.


nix: I'm sorry about the double-post, so I'll change it to a triple-post!

(To be clear, this is a joke, I don't actually mind. I sent this
message at the urging of lucidot. I accept no responsibility
whatsoever.)

-Aris


I am no longer sorry about the double-post. From now on I'm only sending
double-posts.




But you didn't send this as a double-post.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

Re: DIS: Should We Save Honor?

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 11/16/2020 1:40 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:

The honor/karma system seems to have fallen largely out of use. Should
we try to fix it, and if so, what do we need to do?

-Aris



I say get rid of it.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

DIS: Re: BUS: [CFJ] Re: OFF: [Stonemason] Throwing Stones

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 11/14/2020 12:01 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:

I CFJ: "On or about 00:15:33 UTC on 12 Nov 2020, in a message entitled
'[Stonemason] Throwing Stones]', Jason made a pledge."


Typo in the title of the message referenced. Might want to retract and 
call the CFJ again.


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

DIS: Discord digestn't 2020-10-30

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

THIS MESSAGE CONTAINS NO GAME ACTIONS.
SERIOUSLY, IT CONTAINS NO GAME ACTIONS.
DISREGARD ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS MESSAGE SAYING IT CONTAINS A GAME ACTION.

Message 771843949077331988
FROM nix IN #botspam ON 2020-10-30 AT 17:12:31.41:
idea: a second digest for notorious posts that are added by :starnt:

MESSAGE 771846313486712853
FROM nix IN #botspam ON 2020-10-30 AT 17:21:59.265:
@friendly neighboorhood notary you're now obligated to send that message 
in a hand-typed digest


THIS MESSAGE CONTAINS NO GAME ACTIONS.
SERIOUSLY, IT CONTAINS NO GAME ACTIONS.
DISREGARD ANYTHING ELSE IN THIS MESSAGE SAYING IT CONTAINS A GAME ACTION.

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Rewards for Proposals 8507-8515

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 10/28/2020 3:33 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-discussion wrote:

On Wed, Oct 28, 2020 at 12:31 PM ATMunn via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:


On 10/28/2020 3:29 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:

For the adoption of Proposal 8507, I grant ATMunn 14-0=14 coins.
For the adoption of Proposal 8508, I grant Falsifian 14-0=14 coins.
For the adoption of Proposal 8509, I grant Baron von Vanderham 11-0=11
coins.
For the adoption of Proposal 8510, I grant Baron von Vanderham 11-0=11
coins.
For the adoption of Proposal 8511, I grant Baron von Vanderham 12-0=12
coins.
For the adoption of Proposal 8513, I grant Aris 14-0=14 coins.
For the adoption of Proposal 8514, I grant Aris 12-0=12 coins.
For the adoption of Proposal 8515, I grant nix 11-0=11 coins.



Should these be boatloads of coins?



They are. It's just that a boatload is current 1 coin, because the Unit of
Floatation is 1. It'll go up next month.

-Aris





ah, right
~~i feel scammed~~

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Rewards for Proposals 8507-8515

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 10/28/2020 3:29 PM, Jason Cobb via agora-official wrote:

For the adoption of Proposal 8507, I grant ATMunn 14-0=14 coins.
For the adoption of Proposal 8508, I grant Falsifian 14-0=14 coins.
For the adoption of Proposal 8509, I grant Baron von Vanderham 11-0=11
coins.
For the adoption of Proposal 8510, I grant Baron von Vanderham 11-0=11
coins.
For the adoption of Proposal 8511, I grant Baron von Vanderham 12-0=12
coins.
For the adoption of Proposal 8513, I grant Aris 14-0=14 coins.
For the adoption of Proposal 8514, I grant Aris 12-0=12 coins.
For the adoption of Proposal 8515, I grant nix 11-0=11 coins.



Should these be boatloads of coins?

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

DIS: Re: OFF: Re: BAK: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report] Forbes 478

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 10/27/2020 10:04 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote:


I CoE the quoted report. Murphy published salaries on October 25. I 
missed this event due to the message arriving in my spam inbox along 
with every other message e sent to tue.


ohhh so that's why I missed the reverse auction thing

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Last Week in Agora

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 10/26/2020 7:28 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote:

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 07:20:15PM -0400, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:

On 10/26/2020 7:01 PM, Falsifian via agora-official wrote:

* Murphy sets up a reverse auction using a promise. Thread: "Reverse
auction (attn Notary)"


Can you link to this in the archive? I don't seem to have received this
email.


https://listserver.tue.nl/pipermail/agora/2020-October/000551.html



Huh. I'm pretty sure I recall seeing this (maybe it was discussed on
Discord or something?), but a search for "reverse auction" in my mail
client comes up with no results. I either didn't receive this email, or
I deleted it somehow. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Last Week in Agora

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 10/26/2020 7:01 PM, Falsifian via agora-official wrote:

* Murphy sets up a reverse auction using a promise. Thread: "Reverse
   auction (attn Notary)"


Can you link to this in the archive? I don't seem to have received this 
email.


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

DIS: Re: BUS: friendly neighborhood notary creates competition in the food industry

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 10/26/2020 6:11 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:

I become an Ordardor.


I'm not sure this works because you misspelled Orchardor.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AGORA QUEST

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 10/15/2020 5:45 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business wrote:


On 10/15/2020 1:58 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:

On 10/15/2020 3:02 PM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote:




I transfer a ROLL INITIATIVE promise from the Library to myself and cash
it, specifying the text "Attempt to SEDUCE AGORA with very SENSUAL
MOVEMENTS." because why the heck not



lol every rpg gets around to this eventually.

I pay 10 coins to Cuddlebeam, to vote for the above option with the slight
amendment "I think what's SENSUAL to rule 101 is a sexily airtight argument".



I second this notion.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

Re: DIS: The State of the Agoran Economy

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 10/15/2020 12:01 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote:

However, I just wanted to shout-out Trigon, Aris,
and G. for actively working on fixes and Jason, Gaelan and ATMunn and
probably someone I missed for participating in the conversations and
helping us flesh out our thoughts.


I'm flattered that you consider my random joke suggestions participation
in the conversation. :P

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

Re: DIS: down with whatever!

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 10/14/2020 11:32 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:

Proto:  Rebellion Redux

(as blots accumulate a bit...)


Re-enact rule 1664 (Rebellion) with Power-2 and the following text:

   Orthodoxy is an active player switch, tracked by the Referee,
   with values Abiding (default) and Rebel. An active player
   other than the Prime Minister CAN flip eir orthdoxy by
   announcement, if e has not done so during the current month.
   If a player becomes Prime Minister, e becomes Abiding.

   At the beginning of each month, each Rebel is granted 2 Blots.

   A Rebel CAN Call for Revolt by announcement, provided that no
   other call for revolt has been made that week and that no
   successful revolt has occurred for a month or more.

   Following a call for revolt, the Referee CAN (once) resolve
   that revolt by announcement, selecting a random integer between
   1 and the number of active players. E SHALL do so in a timely
   fashion after the call. If this number is less than
   or equal to the number of Rebels, then the Revolt succeeds;
   otherwise it fails. All numbers used in this calculation are
   determined at the time of the call for revolt.

   If a Revolt succeeds, then the following events occur in order,
   based on player orthodoxy at the time of the call for revolt:

   * the Blots of all Rebels are destroyed.
   * each Rebel is granted a Victory Card.
   * the office of Prime Minister becomes vacant.
   * each office held by an Abiding player becomes interim.
   * all Rebels become Abiding.

   If a Revolt does not succeed, then:

   * All Rebels are granted 2 Blots.
   * The player who Called for Revolt is granted 2 (additional)
 Blots.
   * the Prime Minister is granted a Victory Card.





This sounds fun. I feel like there should be a bit more of a reward for 
the Abiding players upon a failed Revolt, but I'm not quite sure what it 
would be.


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (contracts) | also @ADoP and @Tailor

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 10/13/2020 12:45 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote:

On 10/12/20 12:56 PM, ATMunn via agora-official wrote:

"Co Dependents"  nix, R. Lee


I'm not a member of this contract (haven't been since August).



Fixed in local copy.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

DIS: Public Message

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

I intend for this message to be a public message.

I transfer 1 coin to the contract known as The Bank.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Prime Minister of Agora :)

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] The Ribbon Bar

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 10/1/2020 4:41 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-business 
wrote:

nicROGECBMUV PLWKAT


informal CoE: who's nic?

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Proposal] i missed my agoran birthday :(

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 9/24/2020 11:44 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:


On 9/24/2020 6:45 AM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:

My Agoran birthday was September 21, but I forgot to announce it. This
is very sad. Please feel bad for me.

I submit the following proposal:

Title: Happy Belated Birthday
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: ATMunn
Co-authors:

{

For every vote that evaluates to FOR this proposal, ATMunn is granted
2 coins.

}



If you add to this something to make it general I'll pay for pending it.

By "general" I mean something like (might need wordsmithing), "If a
player's Agoran Birthday ends with nobody granting coins for it during
that Birthday, then in the seven days following the end of the birthday,
each of the other players CAN, once, by announcement, grant em 2 coins for
a Belated Birthday."




Should I also include a rewording of the whole "anniversary" thing? I
was going to, but it ended up being very verbose, and not really fixing
anything.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: friendly neighborhood notary would like to be bribed

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

hi, i have an officer card to give this month, it can be either voting 
or victory (or whatever card has the fewest instances, pretty sure it's 
victory)


i am open to deals, don't really have anything in mind but i am most 
interested in victory and legislative cards


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] First Victory Auctions of September 2020

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 9/13/2020 11:33 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:

On 9/13/2020 3:53 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote:

Regulation AM2/0
Sealed-bid Auctions

   Sealed-bid auctions function like generalized auctions except:
   * Players can only submit bids on a sealed-bid auction if they do
 not have a bid in that auction.
   * Bids must be initially hidden so that it is impossible to tell
 its value but that it is verifiable that the amount bid was *
 decided before the bid was placed. Anything that claims to be a
 bid and fits these conditions is considered a bid.
   * Sealed-bid auctions do not end when bidding is closed. Instead,
 they end four days afterward.
   * Each player SHOULD reveal eir bid amount on a sealed-bid auction
 while the auction is closed but has not ended. If e does not do
 so then eir bid is nulled.
   * The termination message also includes whether or not each bid is
 null.
   * The Nth awardee of a sealed-bid auction is the non-withdrawn
 funded player whose bid is not nulled and is the Nth highest of
 all bids placed.


I don't quite understand how this works. To bid, do we send the 
Auctioneer the bid, do we post a hash of the bid, or what?




(I got a response from Trigon on Discord, but I'm posting it here for 
anyone else wondering)


"Post it to the public forum obscured in any verifiable way"
"A hash works great"

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] First Victory Auctions of September 2020

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 9/13/2020 3:53 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote:

Regulation AM2/0
Sealed-bid Auctions

   Sealed-bid auctions function like generalized auctions except:
   * Players can only submit bids on a sealed-bid auction if they do
     not have a bid in that auction.
   * Bids must be initially hidden so that it is impossible to tell
     its value but that it is verifiable that the amount bid was *
     decided before the bid was placed. Anything that claims to be a
     bid and fits these conditions is considered a bid.
   * Sealed-bid auctions do not end when bidding is closed. Instead,
     they end four days afterward.
   * Each player SHOULD reveal eir bid amount on a sealed-bid auction
     while the auction is closed but has not ended. If e does not do
     so then eir bid is nulled.
   * The termination message also includes whether or not each bid is
     null.
   * The Nth awardee of a sealed-bid auction is the non-withdrawn
     funded player whose bid is not nulled and is the Nth highest of
     all bids placed.


I don't quite understand how this works. To bid, do we send the 
Auctioneer the bid, do we post a hash of the bid, or what?


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary :)

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3880 judged TRUE

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 9/13/2020 3:41 AM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote:

On 9/6/20 6:47 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:

On 8/30/2020 2:41 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-official wrote:

The below CFJ is 3880.  I assign it to ATMunn.

status: https://faculty.washington.edu/kerim/nomic/cases/#3880

===  CFJ 3880 
===


   This is a CFJ.

== 



Caller:    Trigon

Judge: ATMunn

== 



History:

Called by Trigon: 25 Aug 2020 20:29:58
Assigned to ATMunn:   [now]

== 



Alleged calling message:

https://mailman.agoranomic.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/agora-business/2020-August/044696.html 



Arbitor's Note:

If a judge finds that eir assigned CFJ is not a CFJ, common practice 
is to

leave it in the archives with its initial ID number (along with the not-
judgement) and not reassign the ID#, so it can be used as a handy 
reference

for any follow-up CFJs that might be called on the matter.

== 





Judge's Arguments:

The only relevant piece of the rules here is the first paragraph of Rule
991:

   Any person (the initiator) can initiate a Call for Judgement (CFJ,
   syn. Judicial Case), specifying a statement to be inquired into by
   announcement.

It seems reasonable to interpret the statement of "This is a CFJ" as
meaning "I initiate a CFJ with the statement 'This is a CFJ'". We allow
the format "CFJ: blah", and this is not that far off from that.

I judge CFJ 3880 TRUE.

[I could certainly see the arguments for FALSE as well, but I don't have
much time and it doesn't really matter much anyway. If anyone is
strongly opposed, file a Motion, but I don't think anyone will care that
much.]


Agora why are you like this?



no u

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DIS: Re: BUS: [@Notary] Contract: The Amendable Contract

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 9/2/2020 2:47 PM, ATMunn wrote:

On 9/2/2020 2:32 PM, nix via agora-business wrote:

On 9/2/20 1:30 PM, nix via agora-business wrote:

I consent to and join the following contract

{

Any player CAN join this contract by announcement. When a player does
so, e is added to the end of the Turn List. Starting with the first
player on the Turn List (and looping back to the top after the last
person on the list), parties CAN add or remove a single word (defined as
a single chunk of symbols with a space or punctuation on either side)
from the Amendable Text by announcement. The Amendable Text starts
blank, and has effect as a part of this contract. nix SHOULD post the
text of the amendable contract at least once a week.

}

--
nix
Prime Minister, Webmastor



I add the word " Marvy " to the Amendable Text.



I become a party to The Amendable Contract and add the word " is " to 
the Amendable Text.




Actually, this was INEFFECTIVE I believe. Since nix was previously the 
only party, e was still at the beginning of the Turn List when I joined.


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] The Ribbon Bar

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 8/31/2020 10:05 AM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:

Whoops, guess I never got my Platinum ribbon.

I award myself a Platinum ribbon.


Sorry, probably shouldn't have bottom-posted this.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)

Re: DIS: Re: [@Treasuror?] Re: BUS: [Contract] Proofs of Claim

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 8/29/2020 4:40 PM, ATMunn wrote:

On 8/29/2020 4:32 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:

(I don't see any evidence that "file a proof of claim" is a
term of art).


Doesn't matter - the contract said it was a thing that could be done.

(To be honest though - I completely see where you're coming from and you 
very much might be right. I just had to try it.)




Feel free to CFJ - I'm not going to because I want my 10 coins :P

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)

Re: DIS: Re: [@Treasuror?] Re: BUS: [Contract] Proofs of Claim

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 8/29/2020 4:32 PM, Kerim Aydin via agora-discussion wrote:

(I don't see any evidence that "file a proof of claim" is a
term of art).


Doesn't matter - the contract said it was a thing that could be done.

(To be honest though - I completely see where you're coming from and you 
very much might be right. I just had to try it.)


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)

Re: DIS: lists were briefly down

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 8/25/2020 8:12 PM, omd via agora-discussion wrote:

The lists were down for about four hours total.  The VPS hosting the lists
was forcibly shut off due to non-payment (I missed the email with the
invoice).  I happened to be actively checking my emails at the time, so I
noticed and paid within half an hour, but then the VPS failed to start back
up because of an fsck error, and I didn’t notice that until now.  Should be
good now; hope that error wasn't anything serious... ;)

- The Distributor



aw man, i had a brilliant, genius, unstoppable scam that i did during 
that time and only could have done during that time, guess nobody will 
ever know what it is now...


(/s obviously)

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: The Supertask Experiment

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 8/25/2020 2:42 PM, Nathan S via agora-business wrote:

On 8/25/2020 11:21 AM, Nathan S wrote:


{

Name: The Supertask Experiment

Parties: Nathan

Only Nathan may be a party to this contract. Nathan may not destroy 
this contract. All actions in this contract happen under a "I say, I 
do, therefore it happens" basis, meaning that all actions are taken 
instantly, without implicitly advancing time. As the rules do not 
prohibit it, in this contract, multiple actions may happen at the same 
time. Time does not advance during this contract's effects unless 
explicitly stated by this contract or the rules. This contract is 
capable of owning assets.


For the purposes of this contract, an instant is defined to be a 
specific moment in time, with infinite instants in any given division 
or unit of time. An example of an instant would be precisely 1.87856 
seconds after midnight on July 12, 1983. Any measurement of precise 
time can be understood to be an instant. An instant can not cover more 
than a single instance of precise time. For example, an instant can 
not be the entirety of the second after midnight on July 12, 1983, but 
precisely one second after midnight on July 12, 1983 can be understood 
to be an instant.


Multiple actions can resolve in the same instant. If an action starts 
and resolves in the same instant, that action takes no time. Actions 
that resolve in the same instant can be dependent upon prior actions 
in that instant. For example, in the same announcement, one can 
transfer coins from a locker or similar contract to themselves, and 
then perform an action with those coins, both of those actions 
happening in the same instant despite the second action being 
dependent on the first one. Actions dependent on another action can be 
started and resolved at the same instant as the action it is dependent 
on without passing time.


This contract can perform any number of, or every, action(s) on the 
behalf of any party to this contract. This contract can consent to any 
number of, or every, action(s) on the behalf of any party to this 
contract.


This contract and any parties to this contract consent to every 
transfer of Dock assets.


A Dock asset is an asset with default owner Nathan. The class of 
entities which can own a Dock asset is restricted to Nathan and this 
contract. If the ownership of a Dock asset were to be transferred to 
the Lost and Found Department, ownership is instead transferred to 
whoever most recently had the Dock Asset, not including the Lost and 
Found Department. A Dock asset can be transferred to this contract or 
any party to this contract. Consent of parties to this contract or the 
consent of this contract itself is not needed to transfer a Dock asset 
to this contract or to parties of this contract. This contract can 
create a Dock asset at any instant.


This contract creates one Dock asset.

If, at any instant, Nathan owns any given Dock asset, this contract 
will, on eir behalf, transfer that Dock asset to this contract.


If, at any instant, this contract owns any given Dock asset, this 
contract will transfer that Dock asset to Nathan.


}

The Supertask Experiment fails. Contracts are not able to act on behalf 
of players.




You could still amend it to make it work - instead of saying that the
contract does a thing, say that the contract enables a party to do said
thing (if that makes any sense). Also, if you are actually done with it
- as the Notary, the person who keeps track of contracts, I would
request that you destroy the contract. You'll have to amend it to allow
you to destroy it though.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Let's snag D. Margaux

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 8/21/2020 6:00 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote:




On Aug 21, 2020, at 1:31 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion 
 wrote:

On 8/19/2020 3:38 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:

On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion 
 wrote:




On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business 
 wrote:

{
Name: Team Margaux
Parties: Gaelan

Any player may become a party to this contract. Any player other than Gaelan 
may cease to be a party to this contract.

Any party may transfer coins to this contract. A person's balance is the total 
number of coins they have transferred to this contract. A person's share is eir 
balance, divided by the total number of coins transferred to this contract.

Whenever this contract has more coins than the current highest bid on the 
August 2020 zombie auction, Gaelan SHALL within 24 hours, and any party may act 
on Gaelan's behalf to, place a bid of the number of coins held by this 
contract. For the avoidance of doubt, another player acting on Gaelan's behalf 
to perform this actions satisfies Gaelan's obligation to do son.

When the August 2020 zombie auction ends, if Gaelan is an awardee of a lot, e 
SHALL within a timely fashion, and any party may act on eir behalf to perform 
the following process:
- transfer all coins held by this contract to emself (which e MAY do only as 
part of this process)
- pay a fee of that many coins to transfer the corresponding talisman to emself
- act on behalf of the zombie corresponding to said talisman to transfer all of 
the zombie's coins to Gaelan
- transfer to each party a number of coins equal to the number transferred from 
the zombie, multiplied by eir share, rounded down (instead of transferring 
assets to emself, Gaelan may do nothing)

After the August 2020 zombie auction ends, if Gaelan is not the awardee of a 
lot, any party may transfer a number of coins equal to eir balance from this 
contract to emself.

Gaelan may destroy this contract by announcement if it holds no assets and e 
has fulfilled all of eir obligations under this contract.
}


I consent to, and do, amend this contract by replacing "do son" with "do so," 
resulting in the following body:

{
Name: Team Margaux
Parties: Gaelan

Any player may become a party to this contract. Any player other than Gaelan 
may cease to be a party to this contract.

Any party may transfer coins to this contract. A person's balance is the total 
number of coins they have transferred to this contract. A person's share is eir 
balance, divided by the total number of coins transferred to this contract.

Whenever this contract has more coins than the current highest bid on the 
August 2020 zombie auction, Gaelan SHALL within 24 hours, and any party may act 
on Gaelan's behalf to, place a bid of the number of coins held by this 
contract. For the avoidance of doubt, another player acting on Gaelan's behalf 
to perform this actions satisfies Gaelan's obligation to do so.

When the August 2020 zombie auction ends, if Gaelan is an awardee of a lot, e 
SHALL within a timely fashion, and any party may act on eir behalf to perform 
the following process:
- transfer all coins held by this contract to emself (which e MAY do only as 
part of this process)
- pay a fee of that many coins to transfer the corresponding talisman to emself
- act on behalf of the zombie corresponding to said talisman to transfer all of 
the zombie's coins to Gaelan
- transfer to each party a number of coins equal to the number transferred from 
the zombie, multiplied by eir share, rounded down (instead of transferring 
assets to emself, Gaelan may do nothing)

After the August 2020 zombie auction ends, if Gaelan is not the awardee of a 
lot, any party may transfer a number of coins equal to eir balance from this 
contract to emself.

Gaelan may destroy this contract by announcement if it holds no assets and e 
has fulfilled all of eir obligations under this contract.
}

Also, for reference, the highest bid is currently 411. D. Margaux currently has 
1264 coins, so anything below that is a profitable bid.

Gaelan

TTttPF
Additionally, I consent to, and do, amend this contract by replacing "balance" with 
"contribution" [which isn't defined differently by the rules], resulting in the text:
{
Name: Team Margaux
Parties: Gaelan
Any player may become a party to this contract. Any player other than Gaelan 
may cease to be a party to this contract.
Any party may transfer coins to this contract. A person's contribution is the 
total number of coins they have transferred to this contract. A person's share 
is eir contribution, divided by the total number of coins transferred to this 
contract.
Whenever this contract has more coins than the current highest bid on the 
August 2020 zombie auction, Gaelan SHALL within 24 hours, and any party may act 
on Gaelan's behalf to, place a bid of the number of coins held by this 
contract. For the a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: Let's snag D. Margaux

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 8/19/2020 3:38 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business wrote:




On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion 
 wrote:



On Aug 19, 2020, at 12:27 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-business 
 wrote:

{
Name: Team Margaux
Parties: Gaelan

Any player may become a party to this contract. Any player other than Gaelan 
may cease to be a party to this contract.

Any party may transfer coins to this contract. A person's balance is the total 
number of coins they have transferred to this contract. A person's share is eir 
balance, divided by the total number of coins transferred to this contract.

Whenever this contract has more coins than the current highest bid on the 
August 2020 zombie auction, Gaelan SHALL within 24 hours, and any party may act 
on Gaelan's behalf to, place a bid of the number of coins held by this 
contract. For the avoidance of doubt, another player acting on Gaelan's behalf 
to perform this actions satisfies Gaelan's obligation to do son.

When the August 2020 zombie auction ends, if Gaelan is an awardee of a lot, e 
SHALL within a timely fashion, and any party may act on eir behalf to perform 
the following process:
- transfer all coins held by this contract to emself (which e MAY do only as 
part of this process)
- pay a fee of that many coins to transfer the corresponding talisman to emself
- act on behalf of the zombie corresponding to said talisman to transfer all of 
the zombie's coins to Gaelan
- transfer to each party a number of coins equal to the number transferred from 
the zombie, multiplied by eir share, rounded down (instead of transferring 
assets to emself, Gaelan may do nothing)

After the August 2020 zombie auction ends, if Gaelan is not the awardee of a 
lot, any party may transfer a number of coins equal to eir balance from this 
contract to emself.

Gaelan may destroy this contract by announcement if it holds no assets and e 
has fulfilled all of eir obligations under this contract.
}


I consent to, and do, amend this contract by replacing "do son" with "do so," 
resulting in the following body:

{
Name: Team Margaux
Parties: Gaelan

Any player may become a party to this contract. Any player other than Gaelan 
may cease to be a party to this contract.

Any party may transfer coins to this contract. A person's balance is the total 
number of coins they have transferred to this contract. A person's share is eir 
balance, divided by the total number of coins transferred to this contract.

Whenever this contract has more coins than the current highest bid on the 
August 2020 zombie auction, Gaelan SHALL within 24 hours, and any party may act 
on Gaelan's behalf to, place a bid of the number of coins held by this 
contract. For the avoidance of doubt, another player acting on Gaelan's behalf 
to perform this actions satisfies Gaelan's obligation to do so.

When the August 2020 zombie auction ends, if Gaelan is an awardee of a lot, e 
SHALL within a timely fashion, and any party may act on eir behalf to perform 
the following process:
- transfer all coins held by this contract to emself (which e MAY do only as 
part of this process)
- pay a fee of that many coins to transfer the corresponding talisman to emself
- act on behalf of the zombie corresponding to said talisman to transfer all of 
the zombie's coins to Gaelan
- transfer to each party a number of coins equal to the number transferred from 
the zombie, multiplied by eir share, rounded down (instead of transferring 
assets to emself, Gaelan may do nothing)

After the August 2020 zombie auction ends, if Gaelan is not the awardee of a 
lot, any party may transfer a number of coins equal to eir balance from this 
contract to emself.

Gaelan may destroy this contract by announcement if it holds no assets and e 
has fulfilled all of eir obligations under this contract.
}

Also, for reference, the highest bid is currently 411. D. Margaux currently has 
1264 coins, so anything below that is a profitable bid.

Gaelan


TTttPF

Additionally, I consent to, and do, amend this contract by replacing "balance" with 
"contribution" [which isn't defined differently by the rules], resulting in the text:

{
Name: Team Margaux
Parties: Gaelan

Any player may become a party to this contract. Any player other than Gaelan 
may cease to be a party to this contract.

Any party may transfer coins to this contract. A person's contribution is the 
total number of coins they have transferred to this contract. A person's share 
is eir contribution, divided by the total number of coins transferred to this 
contract.

Whenever this contract has more coins than the current highest bid on the 
August 2020 zombie auction, Gaelan SHALL within 24 hours, and any party may act 
on Gaelan's behalf to, place a bid of the number of coins held by this 
contract. For the avoidance of doubt, another player acting on Gaelan's behalf 
to perform this actions satisfies Gaelan's obligation to do so.

When the August 2020 zombie auction ends, if 

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Joining Agora

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 8/19/2020 2:03 PM, Nathan S via agora-discussion wrote:

On 8/19/2020 10:48 AM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:

On 8/19/2020 12:46 PM, Nathan LastName via agora-business wrote:

Hello!
In accordance with rule 869, I am expressing intent to become a 
player. I

am looking forward to joining the game.

- Nathan



Welcome to Agora!


Thank you for the welcome! I'm excited to be here!



Almost forgot to mention: if you use Discord, we have an (unofficial,
but pretty active) Discord server here: https://discord.gg/ajZMB7

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)

DIS: Re: BUS: Joining Agora

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 8/19/2020 12:46 PM, Nathan LastName via agora-business wrote:

Hello!
In accordance with rule 869, I am expressing intent to become a player. I
am looking forward to joining the game.

- Nathan



Welcome to Agora!

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Speaker of Agora :)

DIS: Re: BUS: @Notary Donation Level Petition

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 8/14/2020 11:59 AM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:

On 2020-08-14 14:43, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:

On 8/13/2020 11:29 PM, Falsifian via agora-business wrote:

Title: Agoran Press

{

Purpose: support the documentation of Agoran events in a way that
informs current players and non-players and also supports future
research.



Whereas the Agoran Press rewards its members only for the honourable 
work of Reporting, which is surely for the better of our good Nomic 
of Agora, I do now petition our Honourable Notary to flip its 
Donation Level to 25 or a number near to that.




Though I technically SHOULD NOT do this, because the contract's 
provisions do not explicitly "ensure that its funds received from 
Agora will be used solely for the betterment of Agora," I will 
anyways. I do not believe the author has any malicious intentions, but 
instead simply overlooked that part of Rule 2631.


I intend, with 3 Agoran consent, to flip the donation level of the 
contract "Agoran Press" to 25.


I support.

I'm confused by your statement, though. The contract's provisions ensure 
the money is used only to reward people who write Reportor summaries, 
and I think it is better for Agora if people write such summaries. Are 
you saying the contract's provisions need to mention the betterment of 
Agora explicitly? (I was thinking of the provision you quoted when I 
wrote my petition.)




Hm, you have a point. I read "ensure" as meaning something close to 
"explicitly state" but I see now how it could easily go the other way. 
Thinking about it more, I'm not sure what the right answer actually is. 
I don't think it's grounds for a CFJ though since it's only a SHOULD and 
requires 3 Agoran consent anyway.


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary here :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Functional Emergency Regulations [Certification Request]

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

NttPF

On 8/14/2020 2:42 AM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote:

I support.

Gaelan


On Aug 9, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business 
 wrote:

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:02 AM Jason Cobb via agora-business
 wrote:


On 8/3/20 10:19 AM, Jason Cobb via agora-business wrote:

I submit the following proposal:

Title: Functional Emergency Regulations



Oh, I request certification of the above proposal. The proposal is
certifiable because it attempts to resolve a bug that renders a game
mechanic clearly intended to work nonfunctional.


For N from 2 through 5, I intend with N support to certify this
proposal (i.e. cause it to become pending).

-Aris




--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

DIS: Re: BUS: I can give a voting card away as coopor

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 8/8/2020 12:55 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote:

tell me why i should give it to you



because

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

DIS: Re: BUS: Promises (attn Notary)

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 8/2/2020 10:23 AM, Edward Murphy via agora-business wrote:

I grant myself the following promise:

{
   Cashing conditions: The bearer has transferred Murphy one Legislative
   Card in the same message as which e cashes this promise, and has not
   cashed any other promise between doing so and cashing this promise.

   I transfer one Victory Card to the bearer.
}

I grant myself the following promise:

{
   Cashing conditions: The bearer has transferred Murphy one Legislative
   Card in the same message as which e cashes this promise, and has not
   cashed any other promise between doing so and cashing this promise.

   I transfer one Justice Card to the bearer.
}

I grant myself the following promise:

{
   Cashing conditions: The bearer has transferred Murphy one Legislative
   Card in the same message as which e cashes this promise, and has not
   cashed any other promise between doing so and cashing this promise.

   I transfer one Voting Card to the bearer.
}


You need to transfer these to the Library in order for anyone to cash them.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Notary] The Notes (contracts)

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 8/2/2020 10:17 AM, ATMunn via agora-official wrote:

Date of last report: 28 Jul 2020
Date of this report:


Whoops, forgot to add this. Obviously, the date of this report is 2 Aug 
2020.


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

DIS: Re: BUS: [@Notary] Leaving Contracts

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/28/2020 4:28 PM, nix via agora-business wrote:

I intend, with 1 day notice, to leave Co
Dependents.


I don't believe you ever fulfilled this intent.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] very minor bugfix

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/30/2020 2:21 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote:



On Jul 30, 2020, at 10:08 AM, Kerim Aydin via agora-business 
 wrote:


I submit the following proposal with:

Title: a minor adjustment
Chamber: Legislation
Adoption index: 1.0
Author: G.
text:
---
If G., acting as emself, has published a single body of text clearly
labeled as "THE MYSTERY DOCUMENT" after the voting period on the
referendum for this proposal has began, this proposal applies all effects
specified in that body of text.
———



Alright, as per tradition, someone’s gotta start the scam speculation thread. 
Possibilities I can see:
  - G. has a proposal force-through scam
  - G’s hoping to bribe people into voting for this, possibly by revealing the 
MYSTERY DOCUMENT to them in private

As to what the MYSTERY DOCUMENT is, I wouldn’t read too much into the AI of 
1.0—power escalation scams are, in my experience, pretty easy to come by.

Any further thoughts?

Gaelan



Obviously, it's just a very minor bugfix. Why would it be anything else?

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

DIS: Re: BUS: CFJ 3866 Judged FALSE

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/29/2020 4:06 AM, Cuddle Beam via agora-business wrote:

I motion to reconsider.


This fails; group-filing a Motion to Reconsider is a 2-support dependent 
action.


--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Glitteral

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/26/2020 8:02 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via 
agora-discussion wrote:

On 7/26/20 1:21 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:

On 7/26/2020 7:37 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official
wrote:

   Glitter prices at end of week:

    Red  16 coins    Violet    9 coins
    Orange   12 coins    Indigo   21 coins
    Green    15 coins    Platinum 15 coins
    Emerald  16 coins    Lime 18 coins
    Cyan 11 coins    White    18 coins
    Blue 11 coins    blacK    10 coins
    Magenta   9 coins    grAy  8 coins
    Ultraviolet  11 coins    Transparent  15 coins


Shouldn't the value of Transparent glitter have gone down after I got my
Transparent ribbon? or am I just misunderstanding something?



It did, but it went back up because of Jason's Banner.



Oh, right. Got it.

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Tailor] Glitteral

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/26/2020 7:37 AM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official 
wrote:

  Glitter prices at end of week:

   Red  16 coinsViolet9 coins
   Orange   12 coinsIndigo   21 coins
   Green15 coinsPlatinum 15 coins
   Emerald  16 coinsLime 18 coins
   Cyan 11 coinsWhite18 coins
   Blue 11 coinsblacK10 coins
   Magenta   9 coinsgrAy  8 coins
   Ultraviolet  11 coinsTransparent  15 coins


Shouldn't the value of Transparent glitter have gone down after I got my
Transparent ribbon? or am I just misunderstanding something?

--
ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Agoran Directory

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

Is there a reason why Fred's email is shown with the @ symbol, while all 
other emails use the word "at"?


On 7/24/2020 1:28 PM, Falsifian via agora-official wrote:


  The Agoran Directory


Date of last report: 2020-07-15 (Wed)
Date of this report: 2020-07-24 (Fri)
(all times UTC)

Archive of reports on the web: https://agoranomic.org/Registrar/Reports/


Recent Events (recent events section not ratifying)

20-Jun-20 19:59  Bögtil deregisters.
21-Jun-20 06:14  Zyborg registers.
30-Jun-20 14:26  nch exiles R. Lee.
30-Jun-20 14:26  Tcbapo's Master switch is set to Agora (R2532).
30-Jun-20 14:26  R. Lee registers.
30-Jun-20 14:26  The following happens 55 more times:
  * nch exiles R. Lee.
  * R. Lee registers.
03-Jul-20 18:32  Falsifian's email address changed to
  agora at falsifian.org.
03-Jul-20 23:00  Fred registers.
12-Jul-20 04:33  Falsifian deregisters Tcbapo with notice.
12-Jul-20 04:36  Falsifian transfers Telnaior's talisman to Agora.
(time of last report)
18-Jul-20 19:08  Name change: nch -> nix; also, new email address.
23-Jul-20 20:50  Jason transfers the talisman for D. Margaux to Agora.
23-Jul-20 20:50  Jason transfers the talisman for sukil to Agora.
23-Jul-20 20:50  Jason transfers the talisman for Baron von Vaderham to
  Agora.


There are 22 Players. The below is a list of all players and also of all
talismans (there is one talisman for each player).

   Player Contact Registered
   -- --- --
   omd    comexk at gmail.com [0] 03 Feb 11
   Aris   thoughtsoflifeandlight17 at gmail.com   13 Sep 16
   Gaelan gbs at canishe.com  15 May 17
   G. kerim at uw.edu 25 Aug 17
   Cuddlebeam cuddlebeam at gmail.com 25 Aug 17
   Trigon reuben.staley at gmail.com  24 Sep 17
   Murphy emurphy42 at zoho.com   17 Dec 17
   ATMunn iamingodsarmy at gmail.com  11 Mar 18
   Falsifian  agora at falsifian.org  13 Feb 19
   Jason  jason.e.cobb at gmail.com   02 Jun 19
   nix    nixnull+agora at protonmail.com [1] 18 Oct 19
   P.S.S. [2] p.scribonius.scholasticus at gmail.com  01 Mar 20
   grok   grokagora at gmail.com  20 May 20
   Tyler  tylermeady at gmail.com 06 Jun 20
   Zyborg zyborgmao at gmail.com  21 Jun 20
   R. Lee edwardostrange at gmail.com 30-Jun-20
   Fred   zarathustraincande...@gmail.com 03-Jul-20
z twg    me at timon.red 24 May 18
z D. Margaux [3] dmargaux000 at gmail.com    25 Aug 18
z Baron von Vaderham davidseeber at outlook.com  04 Feb 19
z sukil  sukiletxe+agora at gmail.com    12 Feb 20
z Telnaior   JDGA at iinet.net.au    21 Mar 20

z=zombie


Zombie masters and resale values (self-ratifying):
   Resale   Last owned    Due to flip
Zombie Master value    by Agora  to Agora
-- -- ---  ---   ---
twg    G. 1    2020-06-11 20:16  2020-09-09 20:16
Baron v V [4]  Agora  2    now
D. Margaux Agora  2    now
Telnaior   Agora  2    now
sukil  Agora  2    now

The talisman of each player in the "Zombie" column above is owned by the
player in the "Master" column in the same row. The talisman for each
player not listed in the Zombie column is owned by that player.


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Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report]

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/23/2020 8:53 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote:


In my defense, Voting Cards and Victory Cards are confusingly named.


Can't disagree.

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DIS: Re: OFF: [Treasuror] [Weekly Report]

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/23/2020 5:18 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-official wrote:

+++++++++++
|   Player   | cn | wc | jc | lc | vc | wp | bg | pd | xv |
+++++++++++
|ATMunn  |  39|   0|   0|   0|   2|   0|   0|   1|   0|


Pretty sure I have 2 victory cards, not voting cards. I think this
happened because you have the result of the victory auction listed as
giving a voting card (cuz abbreviations).

Also, I think I still have a voting card - I don't remember doing
anything with it and I can't find the transfer in the logs. Could be
wrong, though.

Apologies for not realizing this stuff sooner.
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Re: DIS: Coming clean

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/21/2020 8:14 PM, Gaelan Steele via agora-discussion wrote:

I'd be happy to share the model at some point, but its a bit of a pain—I think 
it's 1.5 GB—so I'm not sure how best to do that. In the meantime, I'm happy to 
try out any inputs y'all are curious about. Also, From headers were included in 
the training data, so I should be able to ask it to generate message from 
specific Agorans. That might be fun.


I would definitely be interested in seeing what it comes up with for 
specific Agorans.


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ATMunn
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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Notary] The Notes: Tuesday Edition

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/21/2020 4:51 PM, nix via agora-discussion wrote:

On 7/21/20 3:46 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:

  ██   ██ ███   ███   ██  █   ███  ██
████   ██ ██  ██ ██   ██████  ██
█████ █ ██ ██ ██ ██   ██████
████   ██ ████   ██   ██████   ██
████   ██ ███   ██   ███  █ █████ ██

-~= Notary's weekly report =~-


I think this is missing a couple pledges I made [0][1]:

[0] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg37686.html

[1] https://www.mail-archive.com/agora-business@agoranomic.org/msg37692.html



Whoops, I knew I was missing some pledges somewhere. Thanks.

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ATMunn
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DIS: Re: BUS: Registration

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/20/2020 5:46 PM, Greg P. Thomas II via agora-business wrote:

--
Trigon


either this is the best fake i've ever seen or...

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DIS: Re: OFF: [Diplonomic 2020] Daily Status of Play: Fall 1903 Part 1

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/19/2020 8:07 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official 
wrote:

There are three proposals up for voting this turn (Please vote!):


three != four

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DIS: Re: OFF: Re: [dicelog] Dice Rolls For Content of Barrels

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

It's worth noting that I never got the actual dicelog email, only your 
reply to it.


On 7/20/2020 7:08 AM, N. S. via agora-official wrote:

So this gives the following four bargains, all of which I intend to put on
the barrel with notice

Bargain 1, Payout 7
Cards: Voting, Legislative, Victory, Legislative, Justice, Voting

Bargain 2, payout 10
Cards: Victory, Victory, Voting, Victory, Victory, Legislative

Bargain 3 payout 8
Cards: Victory, Justice, Justice, Voting, Legislative, Legislative

Bargain 4 payout 3
Cards:  Voting, Legislative, Victory, Justice, Justice, Legislative

On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 9:03 PM Dice Server -1trthsb- <
diceser...@dicelog.com> wrote:



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  2 + 3 + 1 + 3 + 4 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 2 + 1 + 1 + 4 + 1 + 4 + 4 + 2 + 3 + 3 + 2
+ 3 + 1 + 4 + 4 + 3 = 59  //   7 + 10 + 8 + 3 = 28




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DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Removals

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/19/2020 4:24 PM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote:

- Warmer Welcomes [1]
- Regulated Welcoming Coinage

[1] Title may include quotes on either side


should I not be putting quotes around my titles?

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ATMunn
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DIS: Re: BUS: Dipolnomic proposal

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/18/2020 8:58 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote:

I make the following diplonomic proposal named eat the rich

Make the following rule 'after each build phase, the power with the most
units has one of their units randomly destroyed'



This didn't create a proposal; proposals are only anonymous now.

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ATMunn
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Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/17/2020 12:34 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:

On 7/12/2020 11:24 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote:

8476e^  ATMunn, [1]  1.0   Contract charities
AGAINST


R. Lee, I would kindly ask you to withdraw this vote. If you do so, I 
can get an orange ribbon for this proposal and get a transparent ribbon. 
I will gladly pay you in coins or cards (though I don't have all that 
much at the moment).


Or at the very least, if you are so adamantly against the proposal that 
you are not willing to change your vote, I would appreciate an 
explanation as to what is wrong with the proposal.


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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8473-8476

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/12/2020 11:24 PM, N. S. via agora-business wrote:

8476e^  ATMunn, [1]  1.0   Contract charities
AGAINST


R. Lee, I would kindly ask you to withdraw this vote. If you do so, I 
can get an orange ribbon for this proposal and get a transparent ribbon. 
I will gladly pay you in coins or cards (though I don't have all that 
much at the moment).


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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

DIS: Re: BUS: Pledge Shenanigans

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/16/2020 1:42 PM, ATMunn via agora-business wrote:

I pledge to not say the word "tacos" in any context for the next 24
hours. The time window of this pledge is 24 hours and breaking the
pledge shall be a class 1 crime.



I like tacos.

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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

DIS: Friendly Neighborhood Notary Petitions the Honorable Associate Director of Personnel for a Change of Interest

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

Dear H. ADoP,

I, the Notary of Agora, humbly submit my request for the interests of
the office of Notary to be updated.

It is my humble opinion that the Notary not only deals with the Economy,
but also has interests in player Participation.

The Notary puts in a lot of effort into fulfilling eir duties and is
currently rewarded very minimally, and is not even able to grant cards
to eir fellow Agorans.

Therefore, H. ADoP, I request that you use your official authority to
flip the Interest switch of Notary to [Economy, Participation] without
objection.

Long live Agora!

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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer something something INFINITY ENGINE [Attn. Notary, Treasuror]

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/14/2020 5:58 PM, ais523 via agora-discussion wrote:

On Tue, 2020-07-14 at 23:54 +0200, Cuddle Beam via agora-business
wrote:

Seeing how many active players were against this and this needs a
high amount of people to work...


For what it's worth, I think it's likely best to fix this rather than
leave the "loophole" open, and the best fix is probably to not allocate
Victory Cards after a reset (whilst continuing to allocate them to new
players). There's a reason that resets typically only destroy the
assets used to win, not create new ones.



Maybe when a sets victory happens, all Victory Cards and Victory Points
are destroyed but all others remain the same?

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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Secret Contracts (@R. Lee)

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/7/2020 7:55 PM, Reuben Staley via agora-business wrote:

On 2020-07-07 17:43, N. S. via agora-business wrote:

i have one card now, i cease to be a member of contract 6 though


Okay, in that case, I perform the Secret Action of Contract 3.

Relevant section:

Trigon CAN, when the number of parties to this contract is the same as
its party limit, and SHALL, in a timely fashion after that, perform all
the following steps in order in the same message without performing any
other actions until the process is complete.

1. Reveal the unhashed text of the Secret Action.
2. Perform the Secret Action, taking all steps identified therein.
3. Leave this contract.

The hashed Secret Action is:

c96b8d180a178d4761cac40e9120e35d662cd32c31050cfbf0d4c4b16fb6fce7 


FIRST, I reveal the Secret Action.

The full text reads:

489248320489 If the other party to this contract posesses cards, Trigon 
chooses one of their cards and transfers it to emself, then transfers 
one of eir own cards to the other party of this contract.


Again, a file is attached which hashes to the correct output if the 
above line gets mangled somehow.


SECOND, I perform the actions specified.

I choose R. Lee's legislative card from eir vast selection. I transfer 
it to myself. I then transfer my Victory Card to R. Lee.


THIRD, I leave Secret Contract No. 3. Pleasure doing business.



R. Lee, unless I missed a message somewhere, you never left this
contract, therefore it still exists but is useless. Just FYI.

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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

DIS: [Draft Contract] Contract Awards

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

I have drafted a simple contract to make my Contract Awards system more
official. Comments welcome, but if there are no major flaws, I will
likely create this contract in the next few hours.

{

Contract Points are a fixed, indestructible currency with ownership
restricted to persons, tracked by the Notary. Once per week, the Notary
SHOULD publish a list of all Contract Point balances.

To award a gold medal to a person is to cause em to earn 3 Contract
Points; to award a silver medal to a person is to cause em to earn 2
Contract Points; and to award a bronze medal to a person is to cause em
to earn 1 Contract Point.

If e has not done so already in the current week, the Notary CAN award
gold, silver, and bronze medals. E SHALL NOT do so except in accordance
with the following set of guidelines:

1. There are three award categories: Participation, Popularity, and
Opulence.

2. The Participation Award shall be given to the persons who are party
to the greatest number of contracts.

3. The Popularity Award shall be given to the persons who are creators
of contracts with the greatest numbers of parties.

4. The Opulence Award shall be given to the persons who are creators of
contracts with the greatest number of coins.

5. In each category, a gold medal shall be awarded to the single person
who came in first place; a silver medal shall be awarded to the single
person who came in second place; and a bronze medal shall be awarded to
the single person who came in third place.

6. If two or more players would qualify for a gold, silver, or bronze
medal in a particular category, no medal of that type shall be awarded
in that category.

The Notary is ENCOURAGED to publish the list of Contract Point balances
and award medals soon after e publishes eir weekly report.

If any person has at least 30 Contract Points, the Notary SHOULD award
em the Terms of Service Patent Title. Unless the Notary deems that a
particular person has created an exceptionally outstanding contract
worthy of bypassing this system, e SHOULD NOT award any player the Terms
of Service Patent Title for reasons outside of this contract.

When a person is awarded the Terms of Service Patent Title, all of eir
Contract Points are destroyed.

Any player CAN become a party, or cease to be a party, to this contract
by announcement.

}
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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

Re: DIS: [Diplonomic] Conditional Builds

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

thanks captain obvious

On 7/12/2020 10:15 PM, N. S. via agora-discussion wrote:

i think this was mistakenly sent here.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 11:55 AM ATMunn via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:


I now fully understand conditionals.

If Germany attempts to move eir fleet to Swe, then I would like to build
a fleet in Stp/sc. Otherwise, build an army in War. (If only one build
is available, this is the order I would prefer)

For my other build, build a fleet in Sev unless it is occupied,
otherwise build an army in Mos.

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DIS: please ignore the above

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/12/2020 9:54 PM, ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:

I now fully understand conditionals.

If Germany attempts to move eir fleet to Swe, then I would like to build 
a fleet in Stp/sc. Otherwise, build an army in War. (If only one build 
is available, this is the order I would prefer)


For my other build, build a fleet in Sev unless it is occupied, 
otherwise build an army in Mos.



please just y'know ignore this thanks :)

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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

DIS: [Diplonomic] Conditional Builds

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

I now fully understand conditionals.

If Germany attempts to move eir fleet to Swe, then I would like to build 
a fleet in Stp/sc. Otherwise, build an army in War. (If only one build 
is available, this is the order I would prefer)


For my other build, build a fleet in Sev unless it is occupied, 
otherwise build an army in Mos.


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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

Re: DIS: [Diplonomic 2020] Advice and Information about Conditionals and Missing Information

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/12/2020 8:37 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via 
agora-discussion wrote:

First of all, the first set of orders with conditionals is coming in
reasonably well. I've had to request a few clarifications or expansions,
but people have been helpful and responsive. I would like to make it
publicly known that I have prodded and asked for orders in instances
where I found them unclear or believed there to have been an oversight
in forgetting to update something with a change or failing to include
necessary information. I believe this is appropriate because the game
should be won on skill of order making and negotiation not on simple
mistakes.

Second, I should provide some more information on conditionals.
Conditionals can use any information that would be publicly available
after the orders have been processed. Conditionals can make use of
randomness or non-specific algorithms as long as they are definitive and
clear. I must, however, be able to evaluate it by hand and, the more
complicated and algorithmic it is, the less common sense and forgiveness
I will give it.

When you leave out information, I will prompt you to provide it, but if
it is still missing when I am processing orders, I will first apply the
spirit of the civil unrest rules, then common sense, and finally
randomness. If I believe you mistyped an order or sent an invalid order,
I will ask for clarification of it, but because those are permissible,
you can tell me to leave it as is.

Concerns have been expressed about the conditional system and the
potential lack of information. I apologize for not sending a more
obvious reminder about this, but if you want to change it, a proposal
would be an appropriate approach.



I'm not sure I entirely understood that conditionals were even a thing.
Could you give some sort of example of a conditional?

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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary and Czar of Russia :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [ADoP] Metareport

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/12/2020 12:21 PM, Edward Murphy via agora-official wrote:

OFFICES

Office Holder[1]  Since Last Election




Notary ATMunn 2020-06-07    2020-06-15


Not a CoE because I could be misremembering (or misunderstanding the
format), but I'm pretty sure I wasn't Notary until the election.

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DIS: Re: BUS: @Treasuror Weekly Doubloon Report

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/12/2020 1:49 AM, N. S. via agora-business wrote:

Cuddlebeam, nch, R. Lee, P.S.S., G., Bögtil, Jason, Falsifian,

Aris, ATMunn


Each of the above listed players has 125/10=12 doubloons.


I destroy my 12 doubloons in exchange for the plundership coins.


problem: Bögtil is not a player, therefore can't own coins, but e owns
doubloons, so those doubloons are currently useless.

solution: make it so a) non-players can't own doubloons or b) non-
players get kicked out of the contract. idk which one is better

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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood notary, also Czar of Russia :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Reportor] Last Week in Agora

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/12/2020 1:31 AM, Falsifian via agora-official wrote:

Agorans' contract fun continues to keep our Notary busy, but not too
busy to announce some new (informal) Contract Awards. Let's hope this
becomes a tradition.


I intend on it becoming so, I just haven't had much time with Diplonomic
starting. I plan on making an official contract for it. Should be
happening soon.

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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood russian notary here :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Diplonomic Proposal] Order Clarification

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/10/2020 12:21 PM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote:

On 2020-07-10 4:19 p.m., Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote:

On 2020-07-10 3:58 p.m., ATMunn via agora-discussion wrote:

On 7/10/2020 11:54 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote:
A Convoy order orders a fleet in a water province to move an army 
from an adjacent coastal province to another adjacent coastal 
province. 


This seems to be saying a fleet can only help convoy an army between 
two coastal provinces that are adjacent to it, ruling out convoys 
that require multiple steps.




I wasn't sure what exactly to do about that. I see and agree with your
interpretation, but I also felt like just removing the word "adjacent"
could imply that the unit being convoyed doesn't have to be adjacent at
all. I guess that common sense takes over there, though.


I think the key is that success for the convoy is a global property 
depending on the set of undislodged fleets involved.


Here's an attempt to replace your last paragraph. Maybe it could be 
made shorter.


{
A Convoy order orders a fleet in a water province to move an army from 
one coastal province to another. All fleets that have convoy orders 
listing the same source and destination provinces are "participating" 
in that convoy, with the exception that if a fleet is dislodged, it is 
not participating. A convoy is successful if the army in question 
makes a move order consistent with that convoy, and the fleets 
participating in the convoy form an unbroken chain connecting the two 
coastal provinces. (Extra participating fleets / multiple chains are 
okay.) When a convoy is successful, the army's move order is 
interpreted as if the source and destination provinces were adjacent: 
for example, if the destination province is empty and no other unit is 
trying to move to it, then the army will move there.


Hm, maybe it should be clarified that support orders are interpreted 
this way too...


When a convoy is successful, that army's move order, and any support 
orders for that move, are interpreted as if the source and destination 
provinces were adjacent: for example, if the destination province holds 
one unsupported unit with a Hold order, and another army is supporting 
the move into the destination, then the move succeeds and dislodges that 
unsupported unit.




Seems good to me. Should I withdraw my original proposal or should I (or 
you) submit another one fixing it?


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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood russian notary here :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [Diplonomic Proposal] Order Clarification

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/10/2020 11:54 AM, Falsifian via agora-discussion wrote:
A Convoy order orders a fleet in a water province to move an army from 
an adjacent coastal province to another adjacent coastal province. 


This seems to be saying a fleet can only help convoy an army between two 
coastal provinces that are adjacent to it, ruling out convoys that 
require multiple steps.




I wasn't sure what exactly to do about that. I see and agree with your
interpretation, but I also felt like just removing the word "adjacent"
could imply that the unit being convoyed doesn't have to be adjacent at
all. I guess that common sense takes over there, though.

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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood russian notary here :)

DIS: Re: BUS: [Promotor] Removals

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

On 7/10/2020 12:56 AM, Aris Merchant via agora-business wrote:

The Promotor hereby removes each of the following proposals from the
Proposal Pool:

- Contract charities


I'm actually still quite interested in this idea. I don't want to steal
authorship from the original author(s) though. Could this be
resubmitted? I am willing to pay the pendant even.

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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood russian notary here :)

Re: DIS: [Protos] Some ideas I've been kicking around

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

Maybe the best option is to increase the scale to a 0-5 scale instead of 
0-3.


On 7/9/2020 10:25 PM, N. S. via agora-discussion wrote:

ADoP is easy and should be 1, Arbitor should be 2, Herald should be 2.
Distributor should be 0 (should be an option).

On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 11:55 AM Falsifian via agora-discussion <
agora-discussion@agoranomic.org> wrote:


I like this idea a lot. As pointed out on Discord, there should be some
initial complexity values. I thought I would suggest some:

ADoP: 2
Arbitor: 1
Assessor: 3
Coopor: 1
Distributor: N/A?
Herald: 1


I think Herald should be higher. E has a wide variety of duties:
tracking karma; tracking a long history of patent titles (the only other
report I'm aware of that's required to include a historical record is
the Registrar's monthly, but I think that's simple by comparison);
coordinating peer review and awarding of patent titles; not to mention
making sure the Birthday Tournament happens.

Not sure if 2 or 3 is appropriate though.


Notary: 2
Prime Minister: 0
Promotor: 3
Referee: 2
Registrar: 1
Rulekeepor: 3
Speaker: 0
Tailor: 1
Treasuror: 2
Webmastor: 1

Again, just suggestions; I didn't put a ton of thought into these, and
I'm sure some will disagree. But I think something like this would work
for the initial values.




--
Falsifian





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ATMunn
friendly neighborhood russian notary here :)

DIS: Re: OFF: [Diplonomic 2020] Daily Status of Play

[ATMunn via agora-discussion]

Good luck and have fun to all!

On 7/9/2020 7:56 PM, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus via agora-official 
wrote:

It is now 00:00 UTC on July 10, 2020, so the first official negotiating
phase now begins.

There are currently a few proposals open, which I reproduce here:

"Team Play" by Aris

{
Amend Diplonomic Rule 7 to read in full:
   7. Contestants may seek the assistance of non-Contestants. If any do so,
   they SHALL notify the Judge and publicly announce the identities of any
   such non-Contestants and what assistance they will provide. This could
   include negotiating on eir behalf, providing feedback on orders, or
   drafting proposals on eir behalf. Any notifications given under the
   former section 7 of the Birthday Tournament regulations are considered
   to have fulfilled this section of the Diplonomic 2020 rules.

   A contestant CAN, by announcement, cause a person who consents to become
   or cease to be eir teammate, provided the person is not another contestant
   or the teammate of another contestant. Designating someone as a teammate
   is considered a notification that the teammate may assist the contestant
   in any manner. When these rules provide for certain contestants to win by
   a certain method, the Gamemaster CAN include their teammates and SHALL do
   so unless it is eir opinion that extraordinary circumstances render it
   against the best interest of the tournament. Teammates are encouraged to
   lie to and cheat other teams, and SHALL NOT engage in any behaviors
outside
   of the tournament intended to influence its course; however, they
SHALL NOT
   betray their teams.

}

omd's Proposal #1
{{
In the following passage of Diplonomic rule 15, change "24:00” to “18:00”:
{
At the beginning of each turn, there is a period, lasting from 0:00
UTC until 24:00 UTC on the same calendar day, in which negotiations
should occur.
}
[This moves 6 hours from the negotiation period to the order-submitting
period, making both 18 hours long, rather than 24 and 12 respectively.
The goal is to make it easier to avoid accidentally missing the
order-submitting period, even if large chunks of it are taken up by,
e.g., sleeping hours or work hours.]
}}

"Order Clarification" by ATMunn
{
Amend Diplonomic Rule 17 to read in full:

17. There are four possible orders: Hold, Move, Support, and Convoy. Not
giving a unit an order is interpreted as ordering it to hold.

A Hold order orders a unit to stay where it is.

A Move order orders a unit to move to a different province. Armies can
only move onto adjacent inland or coastal provinces. Fleets can only
move to adjacent water or coastal provinces. A Move order making use of
a Convoy must specify what Convoy paths it will use or conditionals to
determine such.

Support orders help another unit's action, whether or not it is a unit
of the same Great Power. An Army or Fleet can provide support to another
Army or Fleet. Support can be offensive or defensive. A unit cannot
support an order to or on a province which the supporting unit could not
move to itself.

A Convoy order orders a fleet in a water province to move an army from
an adjacent coastal province to another adjacent coastal province.
Multiple fleets may be used to convoy the same army, allowing an army to
be convoyed over multiple water provinces. If any fleet involved in a
convoy is dislodged, the convoy fails.
}

"Voting Fixes" by Aris
{
Amend Diplonomic Rule 8 to read in full:

   8. At any time, any Contestant CAN submit a Proposal to change these
   rules by announcement. Any Contestant CAN withdraw any Proposal e has
   submitted by announcement. When a Proposal has been submitted but not
   withdrawn, any Contestant CAN privately send a vote to the Judge, or
   withdraw eir previous vote. When a Proposal has received a number of
   non-withdrawn votes in favor greater than half the number of Contestants,
   the Judge SHALL, in a timely fashion, and CAN enact the proposal by
   publishing the new text of the rules and the number of votes in favor
   and against. The Judge SHALL NOT reveal the votes of specific
   Contestants.
}



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