Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-21 Thread Jason Cobb
Here's an updated version to fix some of the issues in the first version: Changes: - G.'s suggestion ("regulation-creating entity" -> "regulation-creating") - Regulation-creating -> binding - Fixing omd's issue - Replacing the last paragraph and list of Rule 1742 to permit contracts to

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Jason Cobb
Combined with "Contracts CAN regulate actions that are defined in other requirement-creating entities.", doesn't this allow contracts to decide whether rules-defined actions succeed or not? Yes, it appears to. I will replace the contracts sentence with "Contracts CAN permit or forbid

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread omd
On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 6:08 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > An action that is regulated by a requirement-creating entity CAN > only be performed as described by the entity, and only using the > methods explicitly specified in the entity for performing the given > action. The entity SHALL

Re: Fwd: Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Jason Cobb
I thought of that, but that looks a lot like the name of an office. Also gets pretty close to "regulations". Jason Cobb On 6/20/19 12:09 AM, Edward Murphy wrote: Aris wrote: I'd personally create a shorter word for "requirement-creating entity". I'm not sure what it should be, but there has

Fwd: Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Edward Murphy
Aris wrote: I'd personally create a shorter word for "requirement-creating entity". I'm not sure what it should be, but there has to be something. "Regulators"?

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Jason Cobb
Okay, I've updated my local draft of it to use "binding". Jason Cobb On 6/19/19 11:52 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: That actually makes a lot of sense, logically. The term binding is only used in a few places in the rules, and, at a glance, I don't think any of them would conflict with this. -Aris

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Jason Cobb
The purpose of Oaths isn't to define new actions, and the Rules define the crime of Oathbreaking. Jason Cobb On 6/19/19 11:51 PM, Rebecca wrote: Basically I like this proposal, which is good (although Oaths should also be binding, right?) but I can't vote for it unless it slashes and burns

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Aris Merchant
That actually makes a lot of sense, logically. The term binding is only used in a few places in the rules, and, at a glance, I don't think any of them would conflict with this. -Aris On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 8:48 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > Maybe "binding"? > > "Contracts are binding", "Regulations

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Rebecca
Basically I like this proposal, which is good (although Oaths should also be binding, right?) but I can't vote for it unless it slashes and burns rules mwa ha ha. On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 1:49 PM Rebecca wrote: > If they've never been useful in the past... I don't see a future use for > them.

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Rebecca
If they've never been useful in the past... I don't see a future use for them. It's true that there's no longer the total sinecure of Regkeepor. Rip the ACORN, you will not be missed. On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 1:46 PM Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > I simplified

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Jason Cobb
Maybe "binding"? "Contracts are binding", "Regulations are binding". "An entity is binding if and only if..." Jason Cobb On 6/19/19 11:37 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: I would suggest "regulating", but I feel like that could easily get confused with regulations. Jason Cobb On 6/19/19 11:24 PM,

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Aris Merchant
I simplified regulations to the point where they're literally one rule. I'm biased, but I personally think the "it might be useful in future" argument means that keeping them makes sense at this point. -Aris On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 8:40 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > > That would require rewriting the

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Rebecca
I hope we actually have a birthday tournament that works this year though On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 1:43 PM Rebecca wrote: > tournaments should just be contracts with special powers anyway. > > On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 1:40 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > >> That would require rewriting the tournaments

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Rebecca
tournaments should just be contracts with special powers anyway. On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 1:40 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > That would require rewriting the tournaments wording, and it's kind of > close to the Birthday tournament to be doing that. > > Jason Cobb > > On 6/19/19 11:38 PM, Rebecca wrote:

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Jason Cobb
That would require rewriting the tournaments wording, and it's kind of close to the Birthday tournament to be doing that. Jason Cobb On 6/19/19 11:38 PM, Rebecca wrote: what if you repeal regulations and change regulations to mean this On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 1:38 PM Jason Cobb wrote: I

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Rebecca
what if you repeal regulations and change regulations to mean this On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 1:38 PM Jason Cobb wrote: > I would suggest "regulating", but I feel like that could easily get > confused with regulations. > > > Jason Cobb > > On 6/19/19 11:24 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > > I'd

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Jason Cobb
I would suggest "regulating", but I feel like that could easily get confused with regulations. Jason Cobb On 6/19/19 11:24 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: I'd personally create a shorter word for "requirement-creating entity". I'm not sure what it should be, but there has to be something. -Aris

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Aris Merchant
I'd personally create a shorter word for "requirement-creating entity". I'm not sure what it should be, but there has to be something. -Aris On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 8:16 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Nice. > > I think you can shorten this by getting rid of most of the "entities" like > so: > >

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Kerim Aydin
Nice. I think you can shorten this by getting rid of most of the "entities" like so: "An entity is requirement-creating if and only if..." "Regulations are requirement-creating." "Contracts are requirement-creating." Etc. On 6/19/2019 6:08 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: Here it is. This one

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Jason Cobb
Here it is. This one (hopefully) isn't a victim of scope creep. I actually like this one a lot more because it's so much simpler. { Amend Rule 2493 ("Regulations") as follows: Append the following text to the first paragraph: "Regulations are requirement-creating entities." Amend Rule

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Jason Cobb
Hey Aris, Thank you for your message. It's very helpful to be able to see some of your past experience and the knowledge gained from it. (Sorry, this is awkward. Thanking people by email is hard :P) After reading it, I realized this effectively became a (poorly executed) attempt at unifying

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Aris Merchant
Okay, I never like being the one to do this, but someone has to. I'm honestly sorry to be telling you this. I like the basic ideas of your proposal, so it is with a heavy heart that I tell you that based on my experience, I believe your proto has a critical flaw caused by the process you used to

Re: DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Jason Cobb
Hmm I just realized that I would have to change more wording in order to allow fines. Jason Cobb On 6/19/19 4:17 PM, Jason Cobb wrote: Here's a proto-proposal. This fleshes out some ideas I mentioned in G.'s "unregulation" thread. This is mostly brought on by the recent issues over regulated

DIS: [proto] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-19 Thread Jason Cobb
Here's a proto-proposal. This fleshes out some ideas I mentioned in G.'s "unregulation" thread. This is mostly brought on by the recent issues over regulated actions. Sorry if this is a bit massive, but I _think_ it covers all of the necessary consequences of such a change. Outline - A