Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 16:20 -0400, Quazie wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: By the way, I really, really, really, really don't think that Cards and Notes (in current complexity) should exist at the same time. -G. I believe notes should die.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Taral
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: As far as I can tell, there's a rough a-d consensus that Notes should be killed the day after Agora's Birthday and replaced with something different. Cards would make quite a good something different, IMO. Sounds good to me.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: I submit the following proposal entitled And then there was silence, AI=2 please, with the following body: Repeal rule 2126 the day after agora's birthday. Unless this is retroactive to the last birthday, that's a no-op

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote: I submit a new proposal entitled And then there was silence. ai=2 with the following body: proposal Append the following to R2126: The day after agora's birthday 2009 this rule repeal's itself. /proposal Rules 2228 and 2229 also need to be updated.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Sean Hunt
Quazie wrote: I retract the above proposal. I submit a new proposal entitled And then there was silence. ai=2 with the following body: proposal Append the following to R2126: The day after agora's birthday 2009 this rule repeal's itself. /proposal I will only vote for this if something

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 14 May 2009, Quazie wrote: I submit the following proposal entitled And then there was silence, AI=2 please, with the following body: Repeal rule 2126 the day after agora's birthday. Please retract this. It's most appropriate to do this in combination with the new thing, that is,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-14 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 14 May 2009, Sean Hunt wrote: Quazie wrote: I retract the above proposal. I submit a new proposal entitled And then there was silence. ai=2 with the following body: proposal Append the following to R2126: The day after agora's birthday 2009 this rule repeal's itself. /proposal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Alex Smith
On Tue, 2009-05-12 at 19:07 -0500, Aaron Goldfein wrote: I see this proposal not as a way for me to be a jackass, but to reveal a part of the game as flawed. Scamming is something that is very intricate in the game, and as a result it should be expected that someone would submit a proposal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Taral
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Oh bribery proposals are cute.  It's a good test every so often to see if the current players are a group of voters you want to be playing a game with.  And deregistration is good test to use as, whichever the answer,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Taral wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Oh bribery proposals are cute. It's a good test every so often to see if the current players are a group of voters you want to be playing a game with. And deregistration is good test to use as, whichever

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Charles Walker
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Taral wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Oh bribery proposals are cute. It's a good test every so often to see if the current players are a group of voters you want to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Jonatan Kilhamn
2009/5/13 Charles Walker charles.w.wal...@googlemail.com: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Ed Murphy emurph...@socal.rr.com wrote: Taral wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:51 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: Oh bribery proposals are cute.  It's a good test every so often to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 12:45 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable with 2 Support, or by spending one Note. A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Undistributable with 4 Support, or by spending two Notes. It

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 12:45 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable with 2 Support, or by spending one Note. A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Undistributable with 4 Support, or

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Quazie
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 12:45 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:       A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable       with 2 Support, or by spending one Note.       A player CAN flip a specified proposal to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Quazie wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 12:45 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:       A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable       with 2 Support, or by spending one Note.       A player CAN flip

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Quazie wrote: If we are bringing back distributability, i'm going to try to bring back cards. The issue is that cards need to be a core part of the rules or they can't have the power to change things like these switches. Is there any way that a contest could currently flip a switch like

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Alex Smith
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 13:00 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 12:45 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: A player CAN flip a specified proposal to Distributable with 2 Support, or by spending one Note. A player CAN flip a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: Quazie wrote: If we are bringing back distributability, i'm going to try to bring back cards. The issue is that cards need to be a core part of the rules or they can't have the power to change things like these switches. Is there any way that a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Quazie
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009, Quazie wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Alex Smith ais...@bham.ac.uk wrote: On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 12:45 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote:       A player CAN flip a specified proposal to

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Alex Smith wrote: Well, the problem is if the proposal's been flipped to undistributable with 4 support, it could be flipped back with 2 support, which is weird to say the least. Maybe it should need 6 support to reflip it back, and likewise the notes should go 1 to flip,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Quazie wrote: Care to re-proto that? Or send the proto just to me and I'll help you deal (HA pun) with the card rules? If I can find it I will. -G.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009, Quazie wrote: Care to re-proto that? Or send the proto just to me and I'll help you deal (HA pun) with the card rules? If I can find it I will. -G. By the way, I really, really, really, really don't think that Cards and Notes

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Quazie
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 4:18 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009, Quazie wrote: Care to re-proto that?  Or send the proto just to me and I'll help you deal (HA pun) with the card rules? If I can find it I will.  -G. By

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Ed Murphy
Goethe wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009, Quazie wrote: Care to re-proto that? Or send the proto just to me and I'll help you deal (HA pun) with the card rules? If I can find it I will. -G. By the way, I really, really, really, really don't think that

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 13 May 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: Goethe wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009, Quazie wrote: Care to re-proto that? Or send the proto just to me and I'll help you deal (HA pun) with the card rules? If I can find it I will. -G. By the way, I really,

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-13 Thread Quazie
On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 5:02 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Kerim Aydin ke...@u.washington.edu wrote: On Wed, 13 May 2009, Taral wrote: I guess I'm a little touchy right now because the game has been very chaotic recently. I submit the

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Taral
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Proposal: Legislative Dominance (AI = 2) Time to bring back the no bribes clause? -- Taral tar...@gmail.com Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you. -- Unknown

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Proposal: Legislative Dominance (AI = 2) I pledge to vote AGAINST this proposal. (As a note: If it passes, I will not come back. Enjoy your empty

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Proposal: Legislative Dominance (AI = 2) I pledge to vote AGAINST this

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Taral
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I see this proposal not as a way for me to be a jackass, but to reveal a part of the game as flawed. Scamming is something that is very intricate in the game, and as a result it should be expected that someone would

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Aaron Goldfein
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:13 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I see this proposal not as a way for me to be a jackass, but to reveal a part of the game as flawed. Scamming is something that is very intricate in

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Sean Hunt
comex wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I see this proposal not as a way for me to be a jackass, but to reveal a part of the game as flawed. Scamming is something that is very

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Elliott Hird
The Walrus scam caused deregistrations. My Outrage-O-Meter suggests this passing would lead to your house being set on fire. On 2009-05-13, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: Proposal: Legislative Dominance (AI = 2) All players who vote FOR this proposal (at the time the voting

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Elliott Hird
As a general rule, a high-powered proposal can do anything. On 2009-05-13, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Quazie quazieno...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:50 PM, Taral tar...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 4:31 PM, Aaron

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Ed Murphy
Yally wrote: Proposal: Legislative Dominance (AI = 2) Conditional: { if the proposal would not be adopted if I voted AGAINST, then AGAINST, otherwise if the proposal would not be adopted if I didn't vote, then no vote, otherwise FOR }

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Sean Hunt
Ed Murphy wrote: Yally wrote: Proposal: Legislative Dominance (AI = 2) Conditional: { if the proposal would not be adopted if I voted AGAINST, then AGAINST, otherwise if the proposal would not be adopted if I didn't vote, then no vote, otherwise FOR } Conditional:

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Taral
On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:15 PM, comex com...@gmail.com wrote: How is that any different from, say, inactivating people, or making contracts contests?  It's all switches and flipping. It's a metagame distinction. This is tatamount to saying support this scam or get kicked out of the game. --

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 12 May 2009, Taral wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Aaron Goldfein aarongoldf...@gmail.com wrote: I see this proposal not as a way for me to be a jackass, but to reveal a part of the game as flawed. Scamming is something that is very intricate in the game, and as a result it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Legislative Dominance

2009-05-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Tue, 12 May 2009, Ed Murphy wrote: Yally wrote: Proposal: Legislative Dominance (AI = 2) Conditional: { if the proposal would not be adopted if I voted AGAINST, then AGAINST, otherwise if the proposal would not be adopted if I didn't vote, then no vote, otherwise FOR }