Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Deputy-[Herald] Scroll of Agora
On Sun, 16 Sep 2018, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > Well (2) would be appropriate, but I think (1) is irrelevant until an actual > reward action happens. Also, I don't think any of this information is > self-ratifying regardless - I see nothing in the rules and vaguely recall that > the Herald's stuff has been left out on purpose. Yes, it's on purpose that neither patent titles nor the "state of having won" self-ratify. As part of our long-term history it's better to take our time and get the facts sorted out. (As herald I once awarded a champion title over a year late because the winning condition had been overlooked). It's also why the knock-on effects (eg becoming speaker) are isolated from the "act of winning" via the champion award (and not the act of winning) because any CFJ then delays the effects and keeps uncertainty from propagating in the mean time. patent titles have been manually ratified a couple times - there used to be a "report last ratified" date in the scroll but it seems to have been dropped somewhere. At least one win was ratified into happening at some point (the "via ratification" one of course).
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Deputy-[Herald] Scroll of Agora
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018, D Margaux wrote: I think the Herald must timely award the patent title Champion after a victory per Rule 649: “... A person permitted and enabled to award (revoke) a Patent Title SHALL do so in a timely fashion after the conditions authorizing em to do so are announced, unless there is an open judicial case contesting the validity of those conditions.” Yes, but I thought e still CAN do it later. The rule may be unclear. Also per Rule 649, the Herald is responsible for tracking patent titles. So, I *believe* the COE can be resolved either (1) by citing the open CFJ or (2) by noting that the Herald has not yet awarded the Champion title (so the report is correct). I think either of those resolution would not self-ratify the victory out of existence (if it was a victory). Well (2) would be appropriate, but I think (1) is irrelevant until an actual reward action happens. Also, I don't think any of this information is self-ratifying regardless - I see nothing in the rules and vaguely recall that the Herald's stuff has been left out on purpose. And the time limit for the Herald to award the Champion title (if it was a valid win) remains suspended until the CFJ is resolved. That's true, but doesn't require a CoE. Greetings, Ørjan.
Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Deputy-[Herald] Scroll of Agora
I think the Herald must timely award the patent title Champion after a victory per Rule 649: “... A person permitted and enabled to award (revoke) a Patent Title SHALL do so in a timely fashion after the conditions authorizing em to do so are announced, unless there is an open judicial case contesting the validity of those conditions.” Also per Rule 649, the Herald is responsible for tracking patent titles. So, I *believe* the COE can be resolved either (1) by citing the open CFJ or (2) by noting that the Herald has not yet awarded the Champion title (so the report is correct). I think either of those resolution would not self-ratify the victory out of existence (if it was a victory). And the time limit for the Herald to award the Champion title (if it was a valid win) remains suspended until the CFJ is resolved. D Margaux > On Sep 15, 2018, at 9:35 PM, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > >> On Sat, 15 Sep 2018, D Margaux wrote: >> >> I CoE this Monthly Report on the ground that twg and I won by Apathy > > I don't think this CoE is correct, because Champion is not automatically > awarded and the Herald isn't required to report wins per se. > > Greetings, > Ørjan.
DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Deputy-[Herald] Scroll of Agora
On Sat, 15 Sep 2018, D Margaux wrote: I CoE this Monthly Report on the ground that twg and I won by Apathy I don't think this CoE is correct, because Champion is not automatically awarded and the Herald isn't required to report wins per se. Greetings, Ørjan.
