Re: DIS: proto: communications regularization

2019-02-07 Thread Aris Merchant
Okay, a few comments: 1. What does it mean to modify a “document”? Is that even a valid operation? I’d go with “permanent regulation”, which gives it a clearly defined status. 2. 2 Agoran Consent sounds a bit too high to me. Maybe 1.5? This is entirely subjective, so I’ll understand if you

Re: DIS: proto: communications regularization

2019-02-07 Thread Cuddle Beam
So, basically, Spivak is just like “quang”. I feel the same way. On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 22:11, Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > No, it really doesn’t. Or, rather, it does, but only in the same sense that > Brainfuck has the power to express everything in Python (it is

Re: DIS: proto: communications regularization

2019-02-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
It took be a couple years to get used to Spivak, but now I get actively and genuinely annoyed with just about all my non-Agoran writing when I need a pronoun and can't use Spivak. It really does feel elegant to me, compared to 'they', once you get in the habit. And sure, that puts us in the same

Re: DIS: proto: communications regularization

2019-02-07 Thread Aris Merchant
No, it really doesn’t. Or, rather, it does, but only in the same sense that Brainfuck has the power to express everything in Python (it is Turing complete). English can express just about anything, but whether it can express it *well* is a separate matter. -Aris On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 1:05 PM

Re: DIS: proto: communications regularization

2019-02-07 Thread Cuddle Beam
I think conventional English still has the linguistic power to represent that anyways. On Thu, 7 Feb 2019 at 21:49, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk < ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk> wrote: > On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 15:40 -0500, D. Margaux wrote: > > I have no objection if people want to use the singular

Re: DIS: proto: communications regularization

2019-02-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
Huh. I think I've been mostly using "its" for entities that are distinctively non-person, never occurred to me otherwise. A quick web search on Spivak defines it as gender-neutral only (and all examples I see are to show replacements for genders). Not that Agora can't support it's own peculiar

Re: DIS: proto: communications regularization

2019-02-07 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 15:40 -0500, D. Margaux wrote: > I have no objection if people want to use the singular “they,” but I > have come to enjoy the peculiar (and IMO elegant) Agoran style of > e/em/eir. > > Perhaps the Rules could provide that Agorans SHOULD use gender > neutral pronouns,

Re: DIS: proto: communications regularization

2019-02-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
There's such a thing as advocating for change, and there's such a thing of being respectful of a community's established practices because you're a relative newcomer. That said, I wouldn't want to explicitly proscribe either option using a Rule - if the Lexicon is used, I think it's worth putting

Re: DIS: proto: communications regularization

2019-02-07 Thread D. Margaux
I have no objection if people want to use the singular “they,” but I have come to enjoy the peculiar (and IMO elegant) Agoran style of e/em/eir. Perhaps the Rules could provide that Agorans SHOULD use gender neutral pronouns, without legislating specifically which ones? > On Feb 7, 2019, at

Re: DIS: proto: communications regularization

2019-02-07 Thread Cuddle Beam
I’m up for they/them. It’s what I’ve been using in my proposals, anyways. I know Oerjan has requested me to use “proper Agoran pronouns”, and with all due respect to them, I choose not to. That aside and as for my sentiment about this in general: tradition be damned, advocating for change should

Re: DIS: proto: communications regularization

2019-02-07 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Thu, 2019-02-07 at 11:05 -0800, Kerim Aydin wrote: > So I walked away from the keyboard but kept mulling it, so here's a > proto: > > Create the following Power-2 Rule, the Lexicon: [snip] > [*Which Officer? we don't really need a new one just for this] Registrar. They're in charge of

Re: DIS: proto: communications regularization

2019-02-07 Thread Gaelan Steele
Speaking of Agoran terminology, it would probably be a good idea to define the Spivak pronouns in the rules. (Personally, I’d advocate for adopting they/them, but I know that’s unpopular.) Gaelan > On Feb 7, 2019, at 11:05 AM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > So I walked away from the keyboard but

DIS: proto: communications regularization

2019-02-07 Thread Kerim Aydin
So I walked away from the keyboard but kept mulling it, so here's a proto: Create the following Power-2 Rule, the Lexicon: The Lexicon is a document maintained by the [officer*] as part of eir monthly report. The Lexicon SHOULD consist of a list of term definitions and jargon used in Agora,