Re: Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-29 Thread CuddleBeam
>Please tone down the language a wee bit, we like to pretend to be >genteel. (I'm not saying nichdel wasn't overly snarky emself; this is a >de-escalation request all around). Yeah I re-read my thing and found it to be more intense than it should be lol. Sorry about that.

Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > But yeah. Don't fucking toss me an ad hominem. I'll gladly re-process > the ideas and re-present it again. Please tone down the language a wee bit, we like to pretend to be genteel. (I'm not saying nichdel wasn't overly snarky emself; this is a de-escal

Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-29 Thread CuddleBeam
>This response makes me think you didn't read or comprehend my response. This is a really intense claim, but I'll restate my response again, but breaking down your exact reply instead of making certain assumptions which I thought were obvious from dialogue. I believe this is the "practical" versus

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
Ok, here's the longer deal on unregulated actions. The rules neither take from, nor add to, your ability to perform unregulated actions. For this, CFJs 2149 and 2150 are instructive. From those two cases: "Celebrating" is unregulated. Can you celebrate something by announcement? Sure! By

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-29 Thread Nicholas Evans
This response makes me think you didn't read or comprehend my response. And your recent behavior makes me think you don't attempt to comprehend the rules before acting. On May 29, 2017 10:35, "CuddleBeam" wrote: > >The rules allow withdrawing ballots and proposals explicitly, and explicitly > me

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-29 Thread CuddleBeam
>The rules allow withdrawing ballots and proposals explicitly, and explicitly mention what happens, so under those conditions it's clearly regulated. I disagree. An action is regulated if: * (1) the Rules limit, allow, enable, or permit its performance - There is no limitation, permission or enab

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-29 Thread Nic Evans
On 05/29/2017 07:04 AM, CuddleBeam wrote: > No one seems to understand what unregulated means. All it means is > that the rules can't say that an action is impossible or prohibited. > It doesn't magically make it possible, or convince the rules to care > about it. All the unregulated/regulated

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-29 Thread CuddleBeam
>Although I do think grok's "If I am still an objector, but my objection >has been withdrawn [by someone else], can I withdraw my objection?" is >a valid question. We don't even have a mechanic to *withdraw* in the first place. If you can pull out of the ether that you can "withdraw", I believe

Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Josh T
@Aris: Thank you for putting into words what I had been thinking while reading over those of CuddleBeam's messages. 天火狐 On 28 May 2017 at 21:51, Aris Merchant wrote: > On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 6:39 PM, CuddleBeam > wrote: > > Arguably, you can paint your objection blue too. Or dress it as Super

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 29 May 2017, Alex Smith wrote: > On Mon, 2017-05-29 at 02:34 +, Quazie wrote: > > On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 18:17 CuddleBeam > > wrote: > > >  > > > > I withdraw grok's objection. > > > >  > > Um... You usually have  to prove you can do a thing that seems > > obvious wrong or people wi

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Alex Smith
On Mon, 2017-05-29 at 02:34 +, Quazie wrote: > On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 18:17 CuddleBeam > wrote: > >  > > > I withdraw grok's objection. > > >  > Um... You usually have  to prove you can do a thing that seems > obvious wrong or people will ignore it. As far as I can tell, nothing prevents peo

Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Aris Merchant
On Sun, May 28, 2017 at 6:39 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > Arguably, you can paint your objection blue too. Or dress it as Superman. > > Unregulated actions are weird. No one seems to understand what unregulated means. All it means is that the rules can't say that an action is impossible or prohibited.

Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > >Interesting question: If am still an objector, but my objection has been > >withdrawn, can I withdraw my my objection? > Arguably, you can paint your objection blue too. Or dress it as Superman. > > Unregulated actions are weird. It does concern me th

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 28 May 2017, grok (caleb vines) wrote: > Interesting question: If am still an objector, but my objection > has been withdrawn, can I withdraw my my objection? FOO!

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Sun, 28 May 2017, Kerim Aydin wrote: On Mon, 29 May 2017, Ørjan Johansen wrote: Note that only withdrawals by the Objector emself count. Greetings, Ørjan. snap! I feel so redundant. Also, still waiting for you to snap and use the term ISIDTID. Greetings, Ørjan.

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > Cool. I think I'll just tell anyway. I'm not too overly interested in the > subterfuge of it all. I just care mostly about confirming that it *would* > work, > that's good enough trophy for me. > "Withdrawing" isn't a regulated action apparently (note t

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread grok (caleb vines)
On May 28, 2017 8:30 PM, "Kerim Aydin" wrote: On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: > Cool. I think I'll just tell anyway. I'm not too overly interested in the subterfuge of it all. I just care mostly about confirming that it *would* work, > that's good enough trophy for me. > "Withdrawing" i

Re: Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread CuddleBeam
>From rule 2124: > An Objector to > a dependent action is an eligible entity who has publicly posted > (and not withdrawn) an objection to the announcement of intent > to perform the action. Ah, dangit, that verb conjugation. So subtle. I guess it would've worked if it was "

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 29 May 2017, Ørjan Johansen wrote: > Note that only withdrawals by the Objector emself count. > > Greetings, > Ørjan. snap!

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Ørjan Johansen
On Mon, 29 May 2017, CuddleBeam wrote: So I can just do the unregulated action of "I withdraw your objection" (would my proof of "all actions are regulation actions or not actions" not work) From rule 2124: An Objector to a depende

Re: Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread CuddleBeam
Cool. I think I'll just tell anyway. I'm not too overly interested in the subterfuge of it all. I just care mostly about confirming that it *would* work, that's good enough trophy for me. "Withdrawing" isn't a regulated action apparently (note that I, as the initiator, am not required to track any

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread Publius Scribonius Scholasticus
Agoran Consent requires a minimum of 4 days. Publius Scribonius Scholasticus p.scribonius.scholasti...@gmail.com > On May 28, 2017, at 9:00 PM, CuddleBeam wrote: > > How fast do proposals get passed, by average?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: humble agoran farmer is a humble agoran farmer

2017-05-28 Thread CuddleBeam
How fast do proposals get passed, by average?