Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's served its purpose

2019-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
On 6/22/2019 11:02 PM, James Cook wrote: On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 02:52, Jason Cobb wrote: I note that the Ritual has been performed for 5 continuous weeks. The ruleset has in the past been Appeased for 5 continuous weeks, but I had been assuming R2596's "has been continuously appeased at

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's served its purpose

2019-06-23 Thread James Cook
On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 02:52, Jason Cobb wrote: > I note that the Ritual has been performed for 5 continuous weeks. The ruleset has in the past been Appeased for 5 continuous weeks, but I had been assuming R2596's "has been continuously appeased at the moment of banishment" meant it had to be

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposal 8177

2019-06-23 Thread Rebecca
Yes yes yes, fine. I also made an intended ratification just to be entirely sure; On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 3:03 PM James Cook wrote: > Nitpick: I believe the ratification you quote failed, but D. Margaux's > earlier Astronomor report did self-ratify, which is just as good. > > See the section

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: [proposal] Regulated actions reform

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
Here's v2 for further comment. Since we've got a while before the next distribution, I'll leave it up for much longer. omd: any of your previous comments that I did not specify a resolution for are resolved as WONTFIX (I think it's just inextricable conditionals and not regulating matters of

Re: DIS: AI fix proto

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
You could just state that > "none" is not a valid value for the adoption index of proposals. Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 6:25 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Does this do the trick - Amend Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices) by replacing:   Adoption index is an untracked switch possessed by

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2019-06-23 Thread James Cook
Oops, thanks. I'll make sure the next Registrar report accounts for zombies being transferred. I think everyone but Rance collected their zombies. On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 20:11, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Hi folks, > > I thought we'd done this before, quite recently in fact (unless I'm >

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8188-8195

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
If your theory of adoption index being 0 is correct, then the attempt to create the Rule is INEFFECTIVE because of Rule 2140 ("Power Controls Mutability"). Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 6:19 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: On 6/23/2019 3:10 PM, ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: What happens is that the

DIS: AI fix proto

2019-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
Does this do the trick - Amend Rule 1950 (Decisions with Adoption Indices) by replacing: Adoption index is an untracked switch possessed by Agoran decisions and proposals, whose value is either "none" (default) or an integral multiple of 0.1 from 1.0 to 9.9. with:

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2019-06-23 Thread James Cook
That rule is only power 1 and Master is secured at 2. 1885 (zombie auctions) is power 2. On Sun., Jun. 23, 2019, 10:08 Jason Cobb, wrote: > Maybe a more general fix would be in order for auctions? > > > { > > Amend Rule 2551 ("Action End") as follows: > > Amend the last paragraph to read: >

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8188-8195

2019-06-23 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Sun, 2019-06-23 at 15:01 -0700, Kerim Aydin wrote: > On 6/23/2019 2:47 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: > > Accepted. I'm guessing that this makes the entire submission invalid. > > It's possible that it defaults to 1.0, but I think that invalidation > > is more plausible. Revision: There is no

DIS: Proto: Moots are moot

2019-06-23 Thread Edward Murphy
Proto-Proposal: Moots are moot (AI = 1.7) Amend Rule 591 (Delivering Judgements) by appending this text:   * LOGJAMMED, appropriate if there is sufficient disagreement that any other judgements would lead to indefinite Motions to Reconsider. Such ambiguity SHOULD be resolved

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's served its purpose

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
Oh yeah, I did something stupid and counted from the top of the chart in the Forbes 500 rather than from the bottom. Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 2:02 AM, James Cook wrote: On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 02:52, Jason Cobb wrote: I note that the Ritual has been performed for 5 continuous weeks. The

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's served its purpose

2019-06-23 Thread James Cook
It was performed twice in the week of 2019-06-10..16. There are still almost 8 hours left for 2019-06-17..23. On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 15:58, Jason Cobb wrote: > > Also, did anybody perform the ritual last week? If not, then this gets fun. > > Jason Cobb > > On 6/23/19 11:41 AM, Jason Cobb wrote:

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2019-06-23 Thread Aris Merchant
I’m not seeing anything to indicate that you’re submitting that as a proposal; if you want to, make sure you say so. -Aris On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 10:08 AM Jason Cobb wrote: > Maybe a more general fix would be in order for auctions? > > > { > > Amend Rule 2551 ("Action End") as follows: > >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: It's served its purpose

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
Sorry, you're right, UTC is a thing. It's done now anyway. Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 12:03 PM, James Cook wrote: It was performed twice in the week of 2019-06-10..16. There are still almost 8 hours left for 2019-06-17..23. On Sun, 23 Jun 2019 at 15:58, Jason Cobb wrote: Also, did anybody

Re: DIS: Proto: Moots are moot

2019-06-23 Thread ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk
On Sun, 2019-06-23 at 07:43 -0700, Edward Murphy wrote: > Proto-Proposal: Moots are moot > (AI = 1.7) > > Amend Rule 591 (Delivering Judgements) by appending this text: > >* LOGJAMMED, appropriate if there is sufficient disagreement that > any other judgements would lead to

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Proto: Timeline Control Ordnance

2019-06-23 Thread Aris Merchant
Yes. AI 3.0 proposals are functionally omnipotent. The reason lies in Rule 2140, "Power Controls Mutability", which says: "No entity with power below the power of this rule can 1. cause an entity to have power greater than its own. 2. adjust the power of an instrument with power

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Proto: Timeline Control Ordnance

2019-06-23 Thread Aris Merchant
True, but other rules state that proposals can generally change rules and the gamestate in general. This rule only imposes an additional limitation. If we repealed this rule, any proposal at any power would be able to change any rule at any power, meaning that power would no longer control

DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2019-06-23 Thread Kerim Aydin
Hi folks, I thought we'd done this before, quite recently in fact (unless I'm misunderstanding the question!). CFJs 3693-3694 found that a zombie CAN be transferred as the result of an auction, under the current rules. The case arguments are kind of spread in Discussion, but here's a

DIS: Re: OFF: [Promotor] Distribution of Proposals 8188-8195

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
I vote as follows: IDAuthor(s) AITitle --- 8188 G. 3.0 Blanket Denial FOR 8189 Jason Cobb 1.7 Rule 2479 Cleanup (v1.2) FOR 8190 G., D Margaux

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Assessor] Resolution of Proposals 8180-8187

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
Alright. So am I on the hook for lying to a public forum, then? Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 1:46 AM, James Cook wrote: On Sat, 22 Jun 2019 at 18:56, Jason Cobb wrote: For the adoption of Proposal 8182, I earn (8-1)*3=21 Coins For the adoption of Proposal 8186 I earn (9-0)*3=27 Coins For the

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Proto: Timeline Control Ordnance

2019-06-23 Thread Jason Cobb
Does that Rule necessarily imply that an Instrument with power equal to or above 3.0 CAN cause those changes? If no entity could perform those changes, that Rule would still be accurate. Jason Cobb On 6/23/19 3:30 PM, Aris Merchant wrote: Yes. AI 3.0 proposals are functionally omnipotent.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Zombie auction fix

2019-06-23 Thread James Cook
Maybe the best solution is your proposal and secure Master at power threshold 1 instead of 2. If we want auction rules to be able to govern zombies, it seems hacky to try to keep the power threshold above that rule's power. On Sun., Jun. 23, 2019, 10:41 James Cook, wrote: > That rule is only

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Proto: Timeline Control Ordnance

2019-06-23 Thread Aris Merchant
On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 2:46 PM ais...@alumni.bham.ac.uk wrote: > > On Sun, 2019-06-23 at 15:26 -0400, Jason Cobb wrote: > > Can an AI 3.0 proposal create a power 3.1 Rule? > > Yes. However, players sometimes consider voting against proposals with > AI less than the maximium Power they modify on