Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-13 Thread ATMunn
Yeah, I see what you mean. I just found that in the last land auction, I just wanted *a* land unit, not even looking at what the individual ones were, yet I always ended up getting outbid to the point where I felt it wasn't worth it to try to bid anymore. Besides, most players were simply biddi

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: > This gag is already old, but the point is that I could go on. Separate > auctions encourage more competitive play. Imagine if these were all lots in > the same auction. Every bid would be a shot in the dark. You couldn't > strategize and attempt to get

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-12 Thread Reuben Staley
Here's my argument on why separate land auctions are better: Imagine that land unit 1 has a Rank 4 facility on it, but land unit 2 has nothing. More people will bid on land unit 1. This is completely justified since land unit 1 is definitely more valuable than land unit 2. So someone might get

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-12 Thread ATMunn
Haven't read any of the other posts yet, but I would say that I would probably prefer it to be a single auction. On 4/12/2018 4:53 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: Reading R2004, it looks like it was *supposed* to be a single auction? That's definitely not how the announcement below reads, and not how

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-12 Thread Reuben Staley
I was to choose 5 land units and set them as separate lots in the same auction. Even if two of the auctions had valid lots, both of them fail to have the necessary amount of lots for the situation. Therefore, by my interpretation, both auctions are invalid. On 4/12/2018 3:18 PM, Kerim Aydin wr

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
Do you suppose you started one (the first accurate one?) or do you think the whole thing failed? Not sure myself... On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: > Because it's clear that I have not used the correct Agoran Term, I amend my > statement: > > This is simply a case of Trigon writing

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-12 Thread Reuben Staley
Because it's clear that I have not used the correct Agoran Term, I amend my statement: This is simply a case of Trigon writing down a thing that e didn't actually mean and everyone else not realizing until after the passing of the proposal. I wanted there to be five auctions, but clearly the p

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
You CANNOT do that. The rule doesn't allow you to. So you failed to initiate five. You said you did in the announcement, but you didn't. Maybe you initiated one (the first accurate one, AUCTION 2), or maybe the collection was so ambiguous it all failed. On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, Reuben Staley wro

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-12 Thread Reuben Staley
This is simply a case of Trigon writing down a thing that e didn't actually mean and everyone else not realizing until after the passing of the proposal. I wanted there to be five auctions, but clearly the passed text does not reflect my intent. I, working under the assumption that the rules ca

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, Reuben Staley wrote: > > I terminate the ongoing land auction > > I think this intent FAILS as there are in fact 5 going on right now. By R2004 you only CAN initiate 1 each week. At least that's my reading of "each Agoran week... the Cartographer CAN and SHALL initiate an

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
Reading R2004, it looks like it was *supposed* to be a single auction? That's definitely not how the announcement below reads, and not how people have been bidding, so I don't know what actually happened. (R2004 only allows 1 auction to be started each week). I'm also looking for anything that

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-12 Thread Reuben Staley
> I terminate the ongoing land auction I think this intent FAILS as there are in fact 5 going on right now. On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 14:33 Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree with G.'s interpretation. I believe that Rule 2549's statement > that "An Auction also CANN

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-12 Thread Aris Merchant
Oops, you're right. You know, it seems pretty likely that those ones just never began in the first place. -Aris On Thu, Apr 12, 2018 at 1:38 PM, Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > These are independent auctions so only the incorrect ones were just > terminated I think? (Auctions 1,3,4). > > On Thu, 12 Ap

Re: BUS: Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
These are independent auctions so only the incorrect ones were just terminated I think? (Auctions 1,3,4). On Thu, 12 Apr 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > I agree with G.'s interpretation. I believe that Rule 2549's statement > that "An Auction also CANNOT be initiated unless the Auctioneer is > abl

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-12 Thread Kerim Aydin
My interpretation: You describe a particular lot as a "white land unit at ". You do not have a "white land unit at " to transfer, so anyone can terminate the auction. If no one terminates it, I'm not sure whether you can satisfy your obligation to transfer by transferring a black land u

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [Cartographor] Land auctions for April week 2

2018-04-12 Thread Reuben Staley
I'd say that these data are less relevant than the coordinates of the land units, so it would not invalidate it. But that may just be me but wanting to do work to fix it. On Thu, Apr 12, 2018, 11:24 Corona wrote: > ​Wait, I just looked it up (in your own report) and:​ > > AUCTION 1: The lot is t