Re: BUS: Re: DIS: missing an ACORN [attn. Aris]
On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 10:44 AM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > Aris wrote: > > > CFJ: The Herald may amend the tournament regulations without objection. > > > CFJ: At least one Agoran regulation exists. > > I favor these cases. > > Aside to Aris: > > Remember when I wrote the following, about a month ago? > > > Before reading, and with advanced appreciaton for the work, after > > last year I'm not voting for ANY change in the regulations rule before > > the 25th Birthday Tournament is well and dusted. > > > > Hopefully over-caution on my part but forgive that I hope. > > Your Regulations messed up the tournament last year, weren't used at > all for a year, and you suddenly had to repeal them right then, > couldn't wait a few weeks despite expressed and realistic misgivings. > And here we are. (read smiley of "I told you so amusement" not great > drama/upsetness here, pls). > > At the same time, you're campaigning that there's a great rush and > you're the one to save us from the current "crisis" which isn't really > a crisis as much as stalled and tweakable gameplay... lordy, no votes > on that from me, that's for sure. :P Yep. I really, really didn't see this one coming. I mean, I'd specifically checked that the regulations rule was compatible with anything written before. It didn't occur to me that another rule might reference the Regkeepor rule, so I never checked. Your point about my impatience is quite valid. -Aris > >
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: missing an ACORN [attn. Aris]
:) yah definitely amusement! We used to have a *really* complicated winter holiday rule, originating when the majority of players were in academia and we were afraid of Dependent Actions being forced through when everyone was on holiday. The winter holiday rule paused the "game clock" (we didn't call it that, but that was the effect) and Every. Year. There. Was. A. New. Scam. Or. Loophole that we patched but obviously couldn't test until next year. On Fri, 6 Jul 2018, Publius Scribonius Scholasticus wrote: > You could say that it is one of the more entertaining traditions of > Agora's birthday now. > On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > Aris wrote: > > > > CFJ: The Herald may amend the tournament regulations without objection. > > > > CFJ: At least one Agoran regulation exists. > > > > I favor these cases. > > > > Aside to Aris: > > > > Remember when I wrote the following, about a month ago? > > > > > Before reading, and with advanced appreciaton for the work, after > > > last year I'm not voting for ANY change in the regulations rule before > > > the 25th Birthday Tournament is well and dusted. > > > > > > Hopefully over-caution on my part but forgive that I hope. > > > > Your Regulations messed up the tournament last year, weren't used at > > all for a year, and you suddenly had to repeal them right then, > > couldn't wait a few weeks despite expressed and realistic misgivings. > > And here we are. (read smiley of "I told you so amusement" not great > > drama/upsetness here, pls). > > > > At the same time, you're campaigning that there's a great rush and > > you're the one to save us from the current "crisis" which isn't really > > a crisis as much as stalled and tweakable gameplay... lordy, no votes > > on that from me, that's for sure. :P > > > > > > >
Re: BUS: Re: DIS: missing an ACORN [attn. Aris]
You could say that it is one of the more entertaining traditions of Agora's birthday now. On Fri, Jul 6, 2018 at 1:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > Aris wrote: > > > CFJ: The Herald may amend the tournament regulations without objection. > > > CFJ: At least one Agoran regulation exists. > > I favor these cases. > > Aside to Aris: > > Remember when I wrote the following, about a month ago? > > > Before reading, and with advanced appreciaton for the work, after > > last year I'm not voting for ANY change in the regulations rule before > > the 25th Birthday Tournament is well and dusted. > > > > Hopefully over-caution on my part but forgive that I hope. > > Your Regulations messed up the tournament last year, weren't used at > all for a year, and you suddenly had to repeal them right then, > couldn't wait a few weeks despite expressed and realistic misgivings. > And here we are. (read smiley of "I told you so amusement" not great > drama/upsetness here, pls). > > At the same time, you're campaigning that there's a great rush and > you're the one to save us from the current "crisis" which isn't really > a crisis as much as stalled and tweakable gameplay... lordy, no votes > on that from me, that's for sure. :P > > >
Re: DIS: missing an ACORN [attn. Aris]
CFJ: The Herald may amend the tournament regulations without objection. CFJ: At least one Agoran regulation exists. -Aris On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 9:22 PM Aris Merchant < thoughtsoflifeandligh...@gmail.com> wrote: > I didn't think about that problem, as I didn't read the previous sentence > carefully enough. I still think it works, because to "initiate a sanctioned > tournament with a specified, finalized set of regulations, Without 3 > Objections" pretty clearly means that the proposed regulations become > regulations. Also, reading 2 better defends the interest of the game in any > case, so I think that one is more likely. > > -Aris > > > -Aris > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > But if Sentence 1 "fails completely" can I promulgate those regulations > > in the first place using this method? > > > > On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > > > Whoops. Sorry, I missed those in my proposals. Free Tournaments are > > > just plain broken, because, as you say the rules require an officer. > > > The birthday tournament should still work though. The dubious section > > > is "By doing so e promulgates those regulations as a special temporary > > > title of the ACORN. This title may thereafter be amended only by the > > > Herald or eir designee without objection, to correct minor typos." > > > There is no longer an ACORN, and we can't tell from textual context > > > what it would mean for there to be one, so it fails to work as > > > intended. The next sentence could behave in one of two ways. 1) > > > Sentence 1 has failed completely, so there's no such thing as a title. > > > Sentence 2 fails. 2) Sentence 1 succeeds in defining something called > > > a "title of the ACORN", and putting these proposals in it. Sentence 2 > > > works. > > > > > > Which one of those is the case is academic unless you try to amend the > > > regulations. I'll write up a fix proposal when I get a chance, and I'm > > > planning another distribution soon. > > > > > > -Aris > > > > > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:12 PM Kerim Aydin > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So the Tournament rules still reference the ACORN. Further, the new > > > > definition of Regulations requires an Officer while Free Tournaments > > > > implies that no officer is needed for that kind of Tournament. > > > > > > > > Aris, can you give a read of the tournament rules w.r.t. the new > > > > Regulations rule and opine on whether they plug in nicely to the new > > > > regulations rule despite referencing an undefined ACORN - if > something > > > > is broken I'd like to know now please. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: DIS: missing an ACORN [attn. Aris]
I didn't think about that problem, as I didn't read the previous sentence carefully enough. I still think it works, because to "initiate a sanctioned tournament with a specified, finalized set of regulations, Without 3 Objections" pretty clearly means that the proposed regulations become regulations. Also, reading 2 better defends the interest of the game in any case, so I think that one is more likely. -Aris -Aris On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:44 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > But if Sentence 1 "fails completely" can I promulgate those regulations > in the first place using this method? > > On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > > Whoops. Sorry, I missed those in my proposals. Free Tournaments are > > just plain broken, because, as you say the rules require an officer. > > The birthday tournament should still work though. The dubious section > > is "By doing so e promulgates those regulations as a special temporary > > title of the ACORN. This title may thereafter be amended only by the > > Herald or eir designee without objection, to correct minor typos." > > There is no longer an ACORN, and we can't tell from textual context > > what it would mean for there to be one, so it fails to work as > > intended. The next sentence could behave in one of two ways. 1) > > Sentence 1 has failed completely, so there's no such thing as a title. > > Sentence 2 fails. 2) Sentence 1 succeeds in defining something called > > a "title of the ACORN", and putting these proposals in it. Sentence 2 > > works. > > > > Which one of those is the case is academic unless you try to amend the > > regulations. I'll write up a fix proposal when I get a chance, and I'm > > planning another distribution soon. > > > > -Aris > > > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:12 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > So the Tournament rules still reference the ACORN. Further, the new > > > definition of Regulations requires an Officer while Free Tournaments > > > implies that no officer is needed for that kind of Tournament. > > > > > > Aris, can you give a read of the tournament rules w.r.t. the new > > > Regulations rule and opine on whether they plug in nicely to the new > > > regulations rule despite referencing an undefined ACORN - if something > > > is broken I'd like to know now please. > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: DIS: missing an ACORN [attn. Aris]
But if Sentence 1 "fails completely" can I promulgate those regulations in the first place using this method? On Thu, 5 Jul 2018, Aris Merchant wrote: > Whoops. Sorry, I missed those in my proposals. Free Tournaments are > just plain broken, because, as you say the rules require an officer. > The birthday tournament should still work though. The dubious section > is "By doing so e promulgates those regulations as a special temporary > title of the ACORN. This title may thereafter be amended only by the > Herald or eir designee without objection, to correct minor typos." > There is no longer an ACORN, and we can't tell from textual context > what it would mean for there to be one, so it fails to work as > intended. The next sentence could behave in one of two ways. 1) > Sentence 1 has failed completely, so there's no such thing as a title. > Sentence 2 fails. 2) Sentence 1 succeeds in defining something called > a "title of the ACORN", and putting these proposals in it. Sentence 2 > works. > > Which one of those is the case is academic unless you try to amend the > regulations. I'll write up a fix proposal when I get a chance, and I'm > planning another distribution soon. > > -Aris > > On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:12 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > > > > > So the Tournament rules still reference the ACORN. Further, the new > > definition of Regulations requires an Officer while Free Tournaments > > implies that no officer is needed for that kind of Tournament. > > > > Aris, can you give a read of the tournament rules w.r.t. the new > > Regulations rule and opine on whether they plug in nicely to the new > > regulations rule despite referencing an undefined ACORN - if something > > is broken I'd like to know now please. > > > > > > >
Re: DIS: missing an ACORN [attn. Aris]
Whoops. Sorry, I missed those in my proposals. Free Tournaments are just plain broken, because, as you say the rules require an officer. The birthday tournament should still work though. The dubious section is "By doing so e promulgates those regulations as a special temporary title of the ACORN. This title may thereafter be amended only by the Herald or eir designee without objection, to correct minor typos." There is no longer an ACORN, and we can't tell from textual context what it would mean for there to be one, so it fails to work as intended. The next sentence could behave in one of two ways. 1) Sentence 1 has failed completely, so there's no such thing as a title. Sentence 2 fails. 2) Sentence 1 succeeds in defining something called a "title of the ACORN", and putting these proposals in it. Sentence 2 works. Which one of those is the case is academic unless you try to amend the regulations. I'll write up a fix proposal when I get a chance, and I'm planning another distribution soon. -Aris On Thu, Jul 5, 2018 at 4:12 PM Kerim Aydin wrote: > > > > So the Tournament rules still reference the ACORN. Further, the new > definition of Regulations requires an Officer while Free Tournaments > implies that no officer is needed for that kind of Tournament. > > Aris, can you give a read of the tournament rules w.r.t. the new > Regulations rule and opine on whether they plug in nicely to the new > regulations rule despite referencing an undefined ACORN - if something > is broken I'd like to know now please. > > >
