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BUG/MEDIUM: server: fix dynamic servers initial settings
BUG/MEDIUM: quic: fix connection freeze on post handshake
MINOR: session: rename private conns elements
BUG/MAJOR: server: do not delete srv referenced by session
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> On Thu, May 23, 2024, at 3:52 PM, William Manley wrote:
> > On Thu, May 23, 2024, at 3:45 PM, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> > [...]
> > Thank you for your quick testing. I have manage to reproduce what I
> &g
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> On Thu, May 23, 2024, at 2:08 PM, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> > On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 11:55:13AM +0100, William Manley wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 23, 2024, at 11:34 AM, William Manley wrote:
> > > > On
On Thu, May 23, 2024 at 11:55:13AM +0100, William Manley wrote:
> On Thu, May 23, 2024, at 11:34 AM, William Manley wrote:
> > On Thu, May 23, 2024, at 10:08 AM, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> > > On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 04:58:44PM +0100, William Manley wrote:
> > > > On
On Wed, May 22, 2024 at 04:58:44PM +0100, William Manley wrote:
> On Wed, May 22, 2024, at 1:06 PM, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> > FYI, I just merged a series of fix to improve reverse HTTP. It is now
> > possible to use PROXY protocol on preconnect stage. Also, you have the
> >
On Tue, May 14, 2024 at 04:48:16PM +0200, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> On Wed, May 08, 2024 at 11:43:11AM +0100, William Manley wrote:
> > An attach-srv config line usually looks like this:
> > tcp-request session attach-srv be/srv name ssl_c_s_dn(CN)
> > while a rhttp serv
Hello everyone,
How is it possible to set up a resource record of type HINFO so that it is
returned on every ANY request without all the other records in the zone? I'm
looking to implement RFC8482 as Cloudflare can do in the following article:
OXY protocol in LOCAL mode seems to not work completely as
expected either...
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For the moment, QUIC in haproxy is only usable in HTTP mode with either
HTTP/3 or HTTP/0.9. The last one is reserved for testing for interop
testing and ensure we can use multiple application protocols. As such,
it could be possible to support non-http protocols without too much
work. The biggest constraint for now is the lack of testing client. But
if have a working setup for this, do not hesitate to share it with us it
would be extremely useful.
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mandatory usage of reverse-http : if name is
used on attach-srv, sni keyword must be specified on the server line.
Let me know your thoughts. If you're okay, can you adjust your patch
please ? If not, do not hesitate to tell me if there is something you
disagreeing with.
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Hello everyone,
I've been looking for days and days for a way to implement the principle
documented in RFC8482 (Providing Minimal-Sized Responses to DNS Queries That
Have QTYPE=ANY) as Cloudflare is currently doing. I can't find the solution to
do this. Can anyone help me with this?
Thanks in
) instead,
> it will only report this when starting with -dD (config diagnostic mode).
I have a doubt though, will this kind of configuration really works ? I
though that for the moment if name parameter is specified, it is
mandatory to use a server with SSL+SNI.
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il when we reach this:
>* publishing EVENT_HDL_SUB_SERVER_ADD
>*/
> --
> 2.34.1
>
Thank you very much. This was merged in our development tree. In the
meantime, I also enabled "cookie" keyword for dynamic servers as nothing
prevented it.
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On Fri, Mar 22, 2024 at 09:45:59AM +, Damien Claisse wrote:
> Hi Amaury!
> Sorry for the HTML message, I have to use a *** well-known enterprise MUA :(
> Le 22/03/2024 09:09, « Amaury Denoyelle » a écrit :
>> This patch raises several interrogations. First, dynamic servers a
figuration file
servers. In particular, I do not know how we should handled duplicate
cookie values in this case.
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Hello I'm a student in my last year of the Master in Cybersecurity at ULB. As
part of my thesis, I'm doing research to develop a DNS Amplification scenario
that will eventually be deployed within a Cyber Range. I have to carry out
various measurements and develop different attacks in a virtual
r (this is on an Ubuntu 22.04 server)
Alas for the moment HTTP/3 upload are limited indeed by the flow control
which is equivalent to tune.bufsize. To remove this limitation, I wish
to implement a multi-buffer receive per stream, but for now this is not
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like you did not run the correct binary as
this does not corresponds to the version reported by -vv. Have you
ensure to run the binary directly on the command-line using an absolute
path ?
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Hello everyone,
I'm currently a final year Master's student at the Free University of Brussels.
As part of my Master's thesis, I have to implement a DNS amplification scenario
within a Cyber Range. However, before achieving this final goal, I first need
to make amplification rate measurements
ection dedicated socket instead.
The socket fallback has been implemented silently first as on some
platform it may not be supported at all. We plan to change this soon to
report a log on the first permission error to improve the current
situation.
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Package: sagemath
Version: 9.5-6
Severity: important
Dear Maintainer,
I cannot start sage on my computer. Simply running 'sage' in console leads to
the following errors:
┌┐
│ SageMath version 9.5, Release Date: 2022-01-30
>> When starting a guest via libvirt with "virsh start --console ...",
>> the first second of the console output is missing. This is especially
>> annoying on s390x that only has a text console by default and no graphical
>> output - if the bios fails to boot here, the information about what went
Hi Marcel,
There were actually several papers based on Transformers for Metamath. You
can probably check these two and the reference therein and it will give you
a good idea of what was done and what can be achieved (up to last year) :)
https://arxiv.org/abs/2009.03393
rendered doc output that keywords in
the "See also" section are not highlighted with a link. Maybe because
quotes are missing around.
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l body so I integrated it directly into the patch.
As for backport information, most of the time we skip documentation
patches when they are only for spelling fixes. However as this one is
directly to correct a referenced keyword we may choose to backport it.
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quic.conn-owner.
Merged, thank you very much !
Do not hesitate to give us feedback if you test QUIC support :)
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/haproxy/commit/511ddd5785266c149dfa593582512239480e1688
> I can fill a "bug" report on github if necessary.
Indeed good catch.
If you have the time, can you provide us a proper patch for this ? There
is some insight in the CONTRIBUTING file for this. If not, I will submit
the change myself.
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, and apologies for cross-posting.
Best regards,
Pierre-Amaury Grumiaux
Postdoctoral researcher @ LS2N
LI_F_QUIC_LISTENER flag
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Hello,
Don't now why but after restart I can't reproduce the bug...So may be OpenSuSE
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Hello,
Don't now why but after restart I can't reproduce the bug...So may be OpenSuSE
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Summary: Crash at kde startup
Classification: Frameworks and Libraries
Product: Akonadi
Version: unspecified
Platform: openSUSE
OS: Linux
Status:
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Bug ID: 468985
Summary: Crash at kde startup
Classification: Frameworks and Libraries
Product: Akonadi
Version: unspecified
Platform: openSUSE
OS: Linux
Status:
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BUG/MINOR: quic: wake up MUX on probing only for 01RTT
BUG/MINOR: trace: fix hardcoded level for TRACE_PRINTF
BUG/MEDIUM: mux-quic: release data from conn flow-control on qcs reset
BUG/MINOR: h3: properly handle incomplete
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BUG/MINOR: quic: ignore congestion window on probing for MUX wakeup
BUG
ed" dateformat="hour" )
constant( value="00" )
}
#END TEMPLATE
ruleset( name="udp-netlogs-tool"){
reset $.mstoredir = "/data/logs;
action( name="normalize" useRawMsg="off" type="mmnormalize
On Fri, Mar 03, 2023 at 09:35:45AM +0100, Jack Bauer wrote:
> Am Do., 2. März 2023 um 17:52 Uhr schrieb Amaury Denoyelle <
> adenoye...@haproxy.com>:
> >
> > It seems you do not use 'option redispatch' in your configuration so a
> > retry will never be conducted on a
logs"
FileOwner="root"
FileGroup="netlogs"
DirCreateMode="0750"
FileCreateMode="0640"
template="addFrmHstUDP"
#template="RSYSLOG_DebugFormat"
your problem
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and use them ($!foo!bar for multi-level json structures) and then use
those variables in a template.
David Lang
On Wed, 1 Mar 2023, amaury--- via rsyslog wrote:
> Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2023 16:44:20 +0100 (CET)
> From: amaury--- v
g format
please post your config so we can understand if what youa re
showing us is the result of your config or what is being sent to you.
If it's what is being sent to you, you would use mmnormalize to parse
it into variables, then create a custom template to assemble the message
form
Hello
I receive on rsyslog-8.2102 log json format like this:
LogRecord {id='null', date=1677669932610,
applicationInstanceId='5fc42f05-36ab-45ff-908d-e7b978a88269',
domainName='public', serverIp='null', serverPort=null, clientIp='null',
clientPort=null, sessionId='null', username='null',
interested
> in giving 2.8-dev1 a try, it would confirm whether you're facing this
> exact issue. But at the moment we're not aware of any remaining crash-
> inducing bugs in 2.8-dev, so if it would still fail for you it would
> indicate a new unknown bug.
Luke, the crashes you reporte
On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 09:20:01AM +0100, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 09:03:18AM +0100, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> > On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 08:58:16AM +0100, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> > > On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 11:20:44PM -0700, Shawn Heisey wrote:
> &g
On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 09:03:18AM +0100, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 08:58:16AM +0100, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> > On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 11:20:44PM -0700, Shawn Heisey wrote:
> > > On 12/14/22 21:23, Илья Шипицин wrote:
> > > > Can you try to
On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 08:58:16AM +0100, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 14, 2022 at 11:20:44PM -0700, Shawn Heisey wrote:
> > On 12/14/22 21:23, Илья Шипицин wrote:
> > > Can you try to bisect?
> > I had made some incorrect assumptions about what's needed to use
&g
ular reloads as a way of resetting what
> the browser remembers. That seems to work.
> The bisect process only took a few runs to find the problem commit:
> 3ca4223c5e1f18a19dc93b0b09ffdbd295554d46 is the first bad commit
> commit 3ca4223c5e1f18a19dc93b0b09ffdbd295554d46
> Author: Ama
a release.
Amaury
a release.
Amaury
a release.
Amaury
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ot;, tp->coosen);
chooen instead of chosen :
-/* Encode version information transport parameters with as
choosen
+/* Encode version information transport parameters with as
chosen
With this adjusted it compiled. I'm definitely ok with spelling patch
but you should at least try to compile it before submitting because it's
pretty easy to miss errors on this kind of fix. Anyway thanks for your
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but it could be extended
easily, for example to differentiate between CLI and Lua
interactions.
3. Should we aim to always print stderr logs also on the CLI output ?
This could be useful to return more details on the cause of success
or error.
Ideally, we should decide on this before the next 2.7 release.
Thanks everyone for your feedback,
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php code.
> https://http3test.elyograg.org/
Thank you very much for your kind words and your first reports on QUIC
which have greatly helped us. Let's hope we keep refine QUIC support
even more in the near future.
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Yes, the problem occurs on my machine with KDE framework 5.94.0. Here is the
link of the kmainwindow file that still contains the same code:
https://github.com/KDE/kxmlgui/blob/master/src/kmainwindow.cpp
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Bug ID: 456208
Summary: KMainWindow saves auto settings too often: this can
freeze applications
Product: frameworks-kxmlgui
Version: unspecified
Platform: Other
roxy.org/l/pending-bugs
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let me know your thoughts on the subject,
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QUIC issues resolved so far.
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alloc(global.nbthread,
> + sizeof(*quic_accept_queues));
> if (!quic_accept_queues) {
> ha_alert("Failed to allocate the quic accept queues.\n");
> return 0;
> --
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>
Fine for me,
Thanks,
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handle all the cases. Sadly, this
requires some reflexion time and it won't be solve before the imminent
2.6 release. For the moment, you can try on your side to
increase/decrease the haproxy client timeout to see if this change your
situation.
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liment for haproxy reliability. We hope one day
we will reach this level for QUIC but for now this objectif is still
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On Thu, Apr 14, 2022 at 07:29:20AM -0600, Shawn Heisey wrote:
> On 4/14/22 03:27, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> > So to summary, this option should be activated if you only have browsers
> > as client and the traffic is big enough to saturate haproxy queues.
> > I hope this will
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 08:16:06AM -0600, Shawn Heisey wrote:
> On 4/13/22 02:42, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> > Ok this seems related to 'option abortonclose'. Without this, I do not
> > have a 400 error. Can you confirm me this behavior on your side please ?
>
> If I remove t
On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:36:00AM +0200, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 10:30:05AM -0600, Shawn Heisey wrote:
> > On 4/12/22 09:45, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> > > After much analysis of the code, it may be useful to have a run with the
> > > stream tra
On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 10:30:05AM -0600, Shawn Heisey wrote:
> On 4/12/22 09:45, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> > After much analysis of the code, it may be useful to have a run with the
> > stream traces as well :
> > $ trace stream sink buf0; trace stream level developer; trace
On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 05:26:41PM +0200, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 08:01:59AM -0600, Shawn Heisey wrote:
> > On 4/12/22 02:22, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> > > then you can display the traces with the following command :
> > > $ show events bu
On Tue, Apr 12, 2022 at 08:01:59AM -0600, Shawn Heisey wrote:
> On 4/12/22 02:22, Amaury Denoyelle wrote:
> > then you can display the traces with the following command :
> > $ show events buf0
> > > For the h3 layer, the trace mechanism is not currently implemented
your process.
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> I cannot explain yet *how* this can possibly lock for 10 seconds however.
I think this behaviour comes from QLockFile:
https://github.com/RSATom/Qt/blob/master/qtb
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> I cannot explain yet *how* this can possibly lock for 10 seconds however.
I think this behaviour comes from QLockFile:
https://github.com/RSATom/Qt/blob/master/qtb
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Hi, I have made progress on this (I think)!
By running okular in a debugger and stopping the program when it freezes, I
have noticed that almost every time the backtrace is as follows (slightly
abbreviated):
#0
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Hi, I have made progress on this (I think)!
By running okular in a debugger and stopping the program when it freezes, I
have noticed that almost every time the backtrace is as follows (slightly
abbreviated):
#0
d debug options
to be able to quickly understand bugs, so this may have an impact on the
results of perfs test.
Now, we are focused on trying to deploy QUIC on haproxy.org to inspect
the behavior with real-life browsers. When this is done, the next
objective will be to try to improve the results of these perfs tests.
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> But if it happens just by switching virtual desktops, it has nothing to do
> with dbus?
>
> dbus is not involved in that scenario that i can see
T
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> But if it happens just by switching virtual desktops, it has nothing to do
> with dbus?
>
> dbus is not involved in that scenario that i can see
T
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> I just tried with 32 okular instances open and the canOpenDocs elapsed time
> for all the instances when opening a new one never took more than 75ms
>
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> I just tried with 32 okular instances open and the canOpenDocs elapsed time
> for all the instances when opening a new one never took more than 75ms
>
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> I understand you don't have tabs enabled, right?
Yes that's correct.
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To add more context on this discussion, I looked at dynamic servers.
Currently, the behavior is identical with the configuration as
init_srv_check() is used in the "add server" CLI handler. This is really
problematic as "no-check-ssl" is not available for dynamic servers, so
if I understand correctly it's not possible to add a dynamic SSL server
with checks on the same port without SSL on checks.
Christopher's patch for init_srv_check() is probably a good idea, but if
not taken it should be probably at least used for servers with the
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I have merged your patch, thanks for your contribution. Note that I have
splitted it in two to facilitate possible revert or cherry-picking of
numa_detect_topology() various implementation. I also used the BUG_ON
macro which is the idiomatic way for asserts in haproxy.
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Following ca.cfg was used, just in case :
==
[DEFAULT]
pki_server_database_password=Password2021
pki_hsm_enable=True
pki_hsm_libfile=/usr/lib64/pkcs11/libsofthsm2.so
#pki_hsm_libfile=/usr/lib64/softhsm/libsofthsm.so
pki_hsm_modulename=softhsm
pki_token_name=test
Hello,
I'm testing Dogtag PKI integration with softHSM. Versions used for integration
are the following :
dogtag-pki-10.10.6-1.fc34.x86_64
softhsm-2.6.1-5.fc34.1.x86_64
On Fedora 34.
I used the very standard config file and pkispawn fails as shown below (hsm is
emptied before every run) :
p the patches in your tree so we can have a more substantial
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erver'
> srv->ssl_ctx.alpn_len);
> ~~~ ^
> Version 2.4.8 builds fine.
>
>
Thanks for your report. One of my commit to handle properly websocket on
the server side introduces this issue. I'm working on a fix.
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quot;${HOME}/opt" --openssldir="${HOME}/opt"
> --libdir=lib -DPURIFY
> +make -j$(nproc) build_sw
> +make install_sw
> +
> +)
> +fi
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>
Thank you for your patches. However, we should probably fix the GCC
error reproduced on your repository before merging it. This will prevent
to have a red test indicator indefinitely.
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I'm trying to pkispawn a CA Subsystem with HSM on Deamnd using Thales Luna
Cloud HSM.
Following error appears :
Installing CA into /var/lib/pki/pki-tomcat.
Notice: Trust flag u is set automatically if the private key is
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> Kind regards.
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> here a little patch for netbsd system.
> Kind regards.
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Package: src:linux
Version: 5.14.6-2
Severity: critical
Justification: breaks the whole system
Dear Maintainer,
* What led up to the situation?
Booting an AMD Raven Bridge computer with this kernel renders the system
unusable because the amdgpu driver
cannot initialize. This happens because
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Dear Maintainer,
* What led up to the situation?
Booting an AMD Raven Bridge computer with this kernel renders the system
unusable because the amdgpu driver
cannot initialize. This happens because
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Dear Maintainer,
* What led up to the situation?
Booting an AMD Raven Bridge computer with this kernel renders the system
unusable because the amdgpu driver
cannot initialize. This happens because
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