Re: [Python-Dev] Call for prudence about PEP-572

On Sun, Jul 8, 2018 at 10:41 AM, Giampaolo Rodola' wrote: > ​[...] > I find that (space between the parentheses of a function call statement) > too unnatural as a place where to put an assignment. It is not even > "guarded" by a keyword like "if" or "while" which can help as indicators > that

Re: [Python-Dev] A "day of silence" on PEP 572?

On Sat, Jul 7, 2018 at 12:18 AM, Ryan Gonzalez wrote: > On July 6, 2018 5:04:05 PM Antoine Pitrou wrote: > > >> (or contact the PEP's authors >> privately). >> >> > Hoenstly, this feels like a recipe for a disaster... > > ​Many of the people who have strong opinions in this know the PEP authors

[issue15443] datetime module has no support for nanoseconds

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Re: [Python-Dev] Informal educator feedback on PEP 572 (was Re: 2018 Python Language Summit coverage, last part)

On Mon, Jun 25, 2018 at 8:37 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 6/24/2018 7:25 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > >> I'd wager that the people who might be most horrified about it >> > > the (b) scoping rule change > > would be people who feel strongly that the change to the >> comprehension scope rules in

Re: [Python-Dev] A more flexible task creation

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 8:14 PM, Chris Barker via Python-Dev < python-dev@python.org> wrote: > Excuse my ignorance (or maybe it's a vocabulary thing), but I'm trying to > understand the problem here. > > So why do queries fail with 1 tasks? or ANY number? If the async DB > access code is

Re: [pydotorg-www] [Webmaster] 5 Times Attempt

Hi there, No, your two recent such inquiries are the first time either webmaster or pydotorg-www (I subscribe to both) has received email from you. You appear to have got through now, though! regards Steve Steve Holden On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 12:05 AM, Bestowe International < majawa

Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing permissions for IntegratedDevelopmentEnvironments for AndrewJanke

Your call, but as an active Wing user I will just point out that the company support their product very actively, if that helps. regards Steve Steve Holden On Sat, Jun 2, 2018 at 3:18 AM, Andrew Janke wrote: > > On 5/27/18 10:25 AM, Mats Wichmann wrote: > >> On 05/26/2018 1

Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit Access

Hi Michael, Thanks for caring about the Wiki content. I've added your user name o the editors list, so you should be good to go! regards Steve Steve Holden On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 2:58 PM, Michael Herrmann wrote: > Hello, > > my account name is MichaelHerrmann. I would lik

Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit Access

OK Nina, you should be good to go now. regards Steve Steve Holden On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 3:05 AM, Nina Zakharenko <nzakhare...@gmail.com> wrote: > My username is NinaZakharenko and I'd like to request edit access to the > 2018 candidacy page (https://wiki.pyt

Re: [pydotorg-www] what should we tell people having trouble with wiki / board submissions

I'd be perfectly happy to offer that service too. regards Steve Steve Holden On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 8:36 PM, Naomi Ceder <naomi.ce...@gmail.com> wrote: > You can tell them that if it comes down to the wire, someone will enter > their candidacy for them. I've done it in the p

Re: [pydotorg-www] EDITING THE PSF BOARD ELECTION NOMINEES PAGE

Sorry about that - I've changed the login name to "Cleopatra Douglas". Hope this does it. regards Steve Steve Holden On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 2:51 PM, CLEOPATRA DOUGLAS < douglascleopa...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > This didn't work > > Warm Regards. > > On

Re: [pydotorg-www] EDITING THE PSF BOARD ELECTION NOMINEES PAGE

Hi there! I've added username "CleopatraDouglas" because usernames have to be WikiWords, so I assumed that is the form your account name will take. Let me know if this doesn't work for you - and thanks for caring enough to want to stand for the Board! regards Steve Steve Holden O

Re: [pydotorg-www] Access to BoardCandidates2018 plz

Hi Jeff, Since Wiki names are usually in WikiWord format I have added "JeffTriplett" to the editors list. Please let me know if this doesn't work for you. regards Steve Steve Holden On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 6:17 PM, Jeff Triplett <jeff.tripl...@gmail.com> wrote: > He

Re: [pydotorg-www] Trying to edit board of directors

Hi Maricella, Thanks for caring! You should be good to go now. Good luck in the election. regards Steve Steve Holden On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 5:25 PM, Maricela Sanchez Miranda < mayela0...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying edit my nomination for board but I don

Re: [Python-Dev] Normalisation of unicode and keywords

It's a canonicalisation error. Steve Holden On Fri, May 18, 2018 at 2:38 PM, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev < python-dev@python.org> wrote: > On 18.05.2018 14:46, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> Stephan Houben noticed that Python apparently allows identifiers to be >> keyw

Re: [Python-Dev] [Webmaster] Possible virus in Win32 build of python?

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 5:26 AM, Ryan Saunders wrote: > Hello webmaster, > > > > A little over a week ago, I got hit by a rather nasty virus…one of those > “ransomware” viruses that encrypts everything on your disk and then demands > bitcoin payment in exchange for the

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 554 - strange random boldface

On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 4:57 PM, Serhiy Storchaka <storch...@gmail.com> wrote: > 12.05.18 17:48, Steve Holden пише: > >> It's certainly true that when I split any of those left-hand cells the >> bizarre emphasis occurs. Still looking for a workaround. >> &

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 554 - strange random boldface

It's certainly true that when I split any of those left-hand cells the bizarre emphasis occurs. Still looking for a workaround. regards Steve Steve Holden On Sat, May 12, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Antoine Pitrou <solip...@pitrou.net> wrote: > On Sat, 12 May 2018 15:20:11 +0100 > Stev

[Python-Dev] PEP 554 - strange random boldface

Does anyone know why some lines in the tables of https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0554/ appear in bold when the markup doesn't seem to call for it? I can't find a way to stop this, and it's bugging me! regards ​ ​ Steve ___ Python-Dev mailing list

Re: [pydotorg-www] Request Edit Permissions

u include the ablility to create new pages. I'll be interested to see what you can come up with. ​ > Looking forward to any feedback. > > ​We're always very grateful for approaches from engaged, involved community members, and try to encourage them as much as we can. I hope this has been of assi

Re: [pydotorg-www] Request Edit Permissions

I'd have though some GE intranet site might have been more appropriate, but I suppose it would be publicising Python's popularity ... S Steve Holden On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 6:14 PM, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sat, May 5, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Steve - Gadget Barnes &g

Re: [Python-Dev] Dealing with tone in an email (was: Drop/deprecate Tkinter?)

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:43 PM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 06:31:03PM +, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > No one is saying people can't be upset and if you are ever upset there's > > something wrong; we're human beings after all. But those of us speaking >

Re: [Python-Dev] Dealing with tone in an email

Me neither, but I do want people to accept that there are norms, which should usually be observed. S Steve Holden On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Antoine Pitrou <solip...@pitrou.net> wrote: > On Fri, 4 May 2018 08:23:19 +0100 > Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote: >

Re: [Python-Dev] Dealing with tone in an email

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 9:13 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > On Thu, 3 May 2018 at 12:29 Guido van Rossum wrote: > >> EVENTUALLY WE'LL ALL BE SHOUTING ALL THE TIME. Sad. >> > > Yep. And that leads to burn-out. So while Ivan may have lucked out in > getting

Re: [pydotorg-www] PyCon Balkan

g/mailman/listinfo/conferences>. If you would like to announce a Python related event, please see https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEventsCalendar#Submitting_an_Event for how to submit an event to the Python event calendars. """ So I am copying them in the hope that someone can hel

Re: [Python-Dev] Drop/deprecate Tkinter?

On Thu, May 3, 2018 at 12:12 AM, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev < python-dev@python.org> wrote: > On 03.05.2018 1:01, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > >> On Wed, 2 May 2018 22:54:04 +0100 >> Paul Moore wrote: >> >>> On 2 May 2018 at 22:37, Antoine Pitrou wrote: >>>

Re: [pydotorg-www] PyCon CZ to add to Python Conferences

Hi Anezka, I'm sure we' d love to have your listings. Would you mind visiting https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEventsCalendar for details of how to submit? regards Steve Steve Holden On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 1:02 PM, Anežka Müller <anezka.mul...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi all, >

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 572: Assignment Expressions

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 3:36 AM, Chris Jerdonek wrote: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 10:33 AM, Sven R. Kunze wrote: > > On 25.04.2018 01:19, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > >> > >> Sorry, gcd(diff, n) is not the "perfect name", and I will tell you that > >>

Re: [pydotorg-www] PyCon Balkan

​Please see https://wiki.python.org/moin/PythonEventsCalendar for details of how to get an event listed on that calendar. regards Steve​ Steve Holden On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 11:36 AM, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 7:10 PM, Ana Ostojic <a...

Re: [pydotorg-www] (no subject)

Sorry - premature send. Steve Holden On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 4:26 PM, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote: > Hi Paul, > > Go ahead - your account should now have edit-privileges. > > regards > Steve > > PS: One of the minor mysteries of life is how the pydot

Re: [pydotorg-www] (no subject)

Hi Paul, Go ahead - your account should now have edit-privileges. regards Steve PS: One of the minor mysteries of life is how the pydotorg-www email address became associat Steve Holden On Sun, Apr 29, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Paul Worrall <p.r.worr...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, >

Re: [Python-Dev] (name := expression) doesn't fit the narrative of PEP 20

On Fri, Apr 27, 2018 at 8:19 PM, Tim Peters wrote: > [Lukasz] > >> > And that *is* a thing that you will have to explain to newbies when > >> > they encounter it for the first time. > > ​Which they will presumably do either in class or by reading code. No sensible

Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit rights, account KnownHost

You should be good to go now. Thanks for caring! regards Steve Steve Holden On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 8:18 PM, Daniel Pearson <dan...@knownhost.com> wrote: > Apologies, it should be "KnownHost" > > Thanks~ > > > On 04/26/2018 02:15 PM, Steve Holden wrote: >

Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit rights, account KnownHost

Hi Daniel, We'll be happy to do so, just as soon as we know what your Wiki account name is. (NB: This is different to any python.org account you may have opened). regards Steve Steve Holden On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Daniel Pearson <dan...@knownhost.com> wrote: > Hello, >

Re: [Python-Dev] (name := expression) doesn't fit the narrative of PEP 20

On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 8:56 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 03:31:13AM -0400, Terry Reedy wrote: > > On 4/25/2018 8:20 PM, Chris Angelico wrote: > > >On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 10:11 AM, Yury Selivanov > > > wrote: > > >>Just

Re: [Python-Dev] (name := expression) doesn't fit the narrative of PEP 20

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 9:55 PM, Łukasz Langa wrote: > > > On 25 Apr, 2018, at 1:28 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > > You don't seem to grasp the usability improvements this will give. I > hear you but at this point appeals to Python's "Zen" don't help you.

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 572: Write vs Read, Understand and Control Flow

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 4:56 AM, Tim Peters wrote: > [Tim] > >> Binding expressions are debugger-friendly in that they _don't_ just > >> vanish without a trace. It's their purpose to _capture_ the values of > >> the expressions they name. Indeed, you may want to add them

Re: [Python-Dev] assignment expressions: an alternative alternative proposal

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 6:16 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 03:54:30PM -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > > We should really take this back to python-ideas at this point. > > Please no :-( > ​+1 ​ ___

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 572: Assignment Expressions

On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 6:15 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 25 April 2018 at 13:56, Guido van Rossum wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 8:24 PM, Nick Coghlan > wrote: > >> > >> I also think it would be good for the PEP to spell out the

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 572: Assignment Expressions

to the programmer). regards Steve Steve Holden On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 6:13 PM, Sven R. Kunze <srku...@mail.de> wrote: > On 23.04.2018 17:59, Steve Holden wrote: > > > While Tim's expression might look (superficially) like C, the five-line > alternative isn't exactly

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 572: Assignment Expressions

On Mon, Apr 23, 2018 at 8:28 AM, Antoine Pitrou wrote: > On Mon, 23 Apr 2018 00:44:44 -0500 > Tim Peters wrote: > ​[...] > > > if (diff := x - x_base) and (g := gcd(diff, n)) > 1: > > return g > > That's so Pythonic I could cry ;-) > > ​[...] > >

Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing

Rats! That's twice today 've been beaten to the punch! Steve Holden On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 6:28 PM, Ned Deily <n...@python.org> wrote: > Please add NedDeily to the EditorsGroup. One of these days I am going to > want to add / edit something and I'd like to be prepared. > >

Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit LocalUserGroups wiki page

Hi Santos, Thanks for your note. It's wonderful to hear that local user groups are flourishing in Ecuador. I've added you to the editors group: please feel free to edit. regards Steve Steve Holden On Sun, Mar 25, 2018 at 6:27 PM, Santos Gallegos <santo...@outlook.com> wrote: > Hi

Re: [Python-Dev] Better support for consuming vendored packages

On Sat, Mar 24, 2018 at 9:29 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote: > On 23 March 2018 at 02:58, Gregory Szorc wrote: > >> I'd like to start a discussion around practices for vendoring package >> dependencies. I'm not sure python-dev is the appropriate venue for

Re: [Python-Dev] Deprecating float.is_integer()

On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 3:08 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > I searched 6M LoC of Python code at Dropbox and found only three uses. > They seem legit. Two are about formatting a number that's given as a float, > deciding whether to print a float as 42 or 3.14. The third is

Re: [Python-Dev] Python 2.7 -- bugfix or security before EOL?

world we live in! It might be useful to retain the issues for the benefit of those who way wish to maintain the release after EOL, or at least get a list of them before the tags are wiped. regards Steve Steve Holden On Wed, Mar 14, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Michael Scott Cuthbert <cuthb...@mit.edu>

Re: [pydotorg-www] Edit for page on generators

Hi AShish, Many thanks for your interest in keeping the Python Wiki up to date. You should find that you can now edit the content. regards Steve Steve Holden On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 5:19 AM, Ashish Deep Singh Bhatial < ashishdeepsinghbhat...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi team, > > Nam

Re: [pydotorg-www] Request access to wiki please

​Hi Sebastian, Sorry about the lack of response to your first message. We are volunteers, and occasionally something does fall between the cracks. ​You should now be able to edit the wiki. regards Steve Steve Holden On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 3:54 AM, Sebastian Silva <sebast...@fuentelibre.

Re: [pydotorg-www] Page Edit Request

You should now be able to edit the Wiki. Thank you for helping to improve the Python documentation. regards Steve Steve Holden On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:03 PM, Noah Inada <noahin...@gmail.com> wrote: > I agree. That is a better way of putting it. > > May I have per

Re: [pydotorg-www] Page Edit Request

Both problems would be solved with a change to An *iterable* object is an object that implements __iter__, which is expected to return an *iterator* object. regards Steve Steve Holden On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 7:48 PM, Noah Inada <noahin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Account Name:

Re: [pydotorg-www] Fwd: Actualizar Blogs de SpanishLanguage

Hi Raùl: I do hope this is sorted out now. Thank you so much for helping with the Wiki. regards Steve Steve Holden On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:57 AM, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:03 PM, David <dri...@yahoo.es> wrote: > > >

Re: [pydotorg-www] edit rights to https://wiki.python.org/moin/IntegratingPythonWithOtherLanguages

​Chris, Thanks for caring. A long, long time ago I had dreams of a crew of thousands of PyWikiGnomes, working in teams to curate areas of interest. While that hasn't happened yet, we can dream. Do feel free to point any other like-minded individuals our way! regards Steve​ Steve Holden

Re: [pydotorg-www] Edits to the Python wiki

And thanks for caring enough to make the inquiry! regards Steve Steve Holden On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 3:02 AM, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 1:56 PM, Ethan Rogers <erogers6...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > Yes I do! The name for th

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 467 (Minor API improvements for binary sequences) - any thoughts?

with (e.g.) the __contains__ operator (list elements aren't lists, but string element are strings), but overall the choices made lead to sensible, comprehensible code. regards Steve Steve Holden On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 8:26 PM, Chris Barker <chris.bar...@noaa.gov> wrote: > On Wed, Feb 21, 2018

Re: [Python-Dev] How is the GitHub workflow working for people?

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 5:53 PM, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > On Wed, 21 Feb 2018 at 09:30 Yury Selivanov > wrote: > >> > > >> Huge thanks to the core-workflow team! >> >> ​Hear, hear! regards Steve​ ___

Re: [Python-Dev] A minimal Python interpreter written in Python for experimenting with language changes

On Tue, Feb 6, 2018 at 3:40 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Sat, Feb 03, 2018 at 11:45:15AM +0100, asrp wrote: > > ​[...] > > Here's a faked session showing the sort of thing I am referring to. > (Note that this is just an example, not a proposal for a new language >

Re: [Python-Dev] libxml2 installation/binding issue

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Re: [Python-Dev] Is 4.0 a major breaking changes release?

On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 10:46 PM, Ned Deily wrote: > On Feb 3, 2018, at 17:40, Alex Walters wrote: > > I am still working on porting code from 2.x to 3.x. As of late on the > lists > > I've seen comments about making somewhat major changes in 4.0 - now

Re: [Python-Dev] Dataclasses and correct hashability

in such depth. Thank you all. Steve Holden On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 6:44 AM, Guido van Rossum <gu...@python.org> wrote: > It appears Eric and I are the only ones in favor of keeping the current > behavior. But I still am not convinced by all the worries about "attractive > nuisances&qu

Re: [Python-Dev] OS-X builds for 3.7.0

Doh! Thank you. Steve Holden ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [Python-Dev] OS-X builds for 3.7.0

The horizontal axis labelling in that graph is useless with so many tests included! Would a graphic with hover labels over the bars be more useful? Steve Holden On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 1:06 PM, Victor Stinner <victor.stin...@gmail.com> wrote: > There is https://speed.python.org/c

Re: [pydotorg-www] Permission to edit a page

list. regards Steve Steve Holden On Tue, Jan 30, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Tuhin Hasan <tuhinara...@gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Python team > > Hope you are having a wonderful time. I need a permission to edit in your > wiki page. We are OBOYOB, a software development company and like to

Re: [pydotorg-www] Would like to be able to edit my entry on the PythonConsulting, PythonTrainers and my name's page

Hi Vasudev, Sorry you are having problems. When I'm logged in my menu bar looks as below. [image: Inline image 1] I have verified that "VasudevRam <https://wiki.python.org/moin/VasudevRam>" has indeed been added to the Editors group. Still having issues? regards Steve Stev

[Python-Dev] CLion IDE

I've just start using CLion from JetBrains, and I wondered if anyone on the list is using this product in CPython development. Links to any guidance would be useful. regards Steve Holden ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https

Re: [Python-Dev] Support of the Android platform

For this to move forward more rapidly it would really help if there were a utility VM appliance available with a ready-installed support an SDK. Or at least that would lower impedance to joining the development effort. Does any such beast by chance exist? S Steve Holden On Tue, Jan 23, 2018

Re: [python-uk] Setting up Django on Google Cloud (basic server)

>From your description it sounds like the IP address of your host is not delivering packets to your VM, which should be listening on all its interfaces. Perhaps a problem in your virtual's interface configuration? S Steve Holden On Sat, Jan 20, 2018 at 2:52 PM, Samuel Muiruri <muiru

Re: [Python-Dev] LibreSSL support

On Fri, Jan 19, 2018 at 12:09 AM, Nathaniel Smith wrote: > On Jan 18, 2018 07:34, "Christian Heimes" wrote: > > On 2018-01-16 21:17, Christian Heimes wrote: > > FYI, master on Travis CI now builds and uses OpenSSL 1.1.0g [1]. I have > > created a daily

Re: [pydotorg-www] permission to edit wiki page on parallel processing

Hi Robert, Thanks for your note, and for your willingness to help. I've added you to the editors group - have at it! regards Steve Steve Holden On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 7:06 AM, Robert Nishihara <robertnishih...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > I just made the account RobertNis

Re: [pydotorg-www] Editing pages in the CheezeShop.

Thanks for your note, and for wanting to help! I believe I've added you to the editors group - give it a go, and let me know if you still don't have permissions. regards Steve Steve Holden On Fri, Jan 5, 2018 at 1:05 AM, George Lambert <marc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I went to edi

Re: [Python-Dev] Is static typing still optional?

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 7:55 PM, Terry Reedy wrote: > On 12/21/2017 9:23 AM, Eric V. Smith wrote: > >> >> >> On 12/21/17 6:25 AM, Sven R. Kunze wrote: >> >>> On 21.12.2017 11:22, Terry Reedy wrote: >>> @dataclass >> class C: >> a: int # integer field with

Re: [Python-Dev] Guarantee ordered dict literals in v3.7?

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull < turnbull.stephen...@u.tsukuba.ac.jp> wrote: > Nathaniel Smith writes: > > > To make sure I understand, do you actually have a script like this, or > > is this hypothetical? > > I have a couple of doctests that assume that pprint will sort

Re: [Python-Dev] Is static typing still optional?

On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:53 AM, Paul Moore wrote: > On 19 December 2017 at 07:49, Eric V. Smith wrote: > > Data Classes is also not the first use of type annotations in the stdlib: > > https://docs.python.org/3/library/typing.html#typing.NamedTuple > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Decision of having a deprecation period or not for changing csv.DictReader returning type.

I submitted the 3.6 patch that Raymond committed. The purpose of the change was to allow access to the ordering of the columns. It doesn't use any of the OrderedDict-only methods, and I'd be very surprised if a reversion to using dict in 3.7 would cause any tests to fail. regards Steve Steve

Re: [Python-Dev] Guarantee ordered dict literals in v3.7?

On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Guido van Rossum wrote: > ​[...] > > stays ordered across deletions" part of the ruling is true in CPython 3.6. > > I don't know what guidance to give Eric, because I don't know what other > implementations do nor whether Eric cares about

Re: [Python-Dev] Is static typing still optional?

On Mon, Dec 11, 2017 at 5:10 PM, Chris Barker - NOAA Federal < chris.bar...@noaa.gov> wrote: > . > > I see a couple of options: > 1a: Use a default type annotation, if one is not is supplied. typing.Any > would presumably make the most sense. > 1b: Use None if not type is supplied. > 2: Rework

Re: [Python-Dev] [RELEASE] Python 3.6.4rc1 and 3.7.0a3 now available for testing

it. Seasons greetings Steve Steve Holden On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 2:29 AM, Ned Deily <n...@python.org> wrote: > Announcing the immediate availability of Python 3.6.4 release candidate 1 > and of Python 3.7.0 alpha 3! > > Python 3.6.4rc1 is the first release candidate for Pyth

Re: [Python-Dev] What's the status of PEP 505: None-aware operators?

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 10:31 AM, Steven D'Aprano wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2017 at 11:54:39PM -0500, Random832 wrote: > > > The OP isn't confusing anything; it's Eric who is confused. The quoted > > paragraph of the PEP clearly and unambiguously claims that the sequence > >

Re: [Python-Dev] Can Python guarantee the order of keyword-only parameters?

great heap whence it came ..." Steve Holden On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 5:13 PM, Brett Cannon <br...@python.org> wrote: > > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 at 03:33 Nick Coghlan <ncogh...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 28 November 2017 at 15:42, Larry Hastings <la...@hastings.or

Re: [Python-Dev] Tricky way of of creating a generator via a comprehension expression

On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Sven R. Kunze wrote: > Isn't yield like a return? > ​Enough like it to make a good case, I'd say.​ > A return in a list/dict/set comprehension makes no sense to me. > ​Nor me, nor the vast majority of instance. But nowadays yield is more of a

Re: [Python-Dev] Remove typing from the stdlib

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 12:35 AM, Donald Stufft wrote: [..] > Maybe we just need to fully flesh out the idea of a "Python Core" (What > exists now as “Python”) and a “Python Platform” (Python Core + A select set > of preinstalled libraries). Then typing can just be part of the

Re: [Python-Dev] Allow annotations using basic types in the stdlib?

While I appreciate the value of annotations I think that *any* addition of them to the stdlib would complicate an important learning resource unnecessarily. S Steve Holden On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 4:07 PM, Victor Stinner <victor.stin...@gmail.com> wrote: > Related to annotations, a

Re: [Python-Dev] Guarantee ordered dict literals in v3.7?

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Paul Sokolovsky wrote: > Hello, > > What happens now borders on technologic surrealism - the CPython, after > many years of persuasion, switched its dict algorithm, rather > inefficient in terms of memory, to something else, less inefficient >

Re: [pydotorg-www] Google Analytics for python.org

Hi Mark, Sorry, completely clueless on that one. I've copied this reply to the pydotorg-www list - someone else there will almost certainly be able to help you. regards Steve Steve Holden On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 9:07 PM, Mark Mangoba <mmang...@python.org> wrote: > Hey Steve,

[python-uk] Startup Row Event at Bloomberg London Office 27 November

ting link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/a-psf-pycon-startup-row-pitch-event-at-bloomberg-lp-registration-37616877092, but that page does link to further information about Startup Row, ​kind regards Steve Holden ​​ ___ python-uk mailing list python-uk@p

[Python-Dev] [OT] Early PyCon Pictures, anyone?

them. Thanks Steve Holden ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: https://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com

Re: [python-uk] Burning desire to watch cataract surgery?

You people are clearly very sharp. S Steve Holden On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 9:38 AM, Nathan Jeffrey <nathan.jeff...@gmail.com> wrote: > I roil at eye rolls for eye roles. > > - N > > On 13 Oct 2017 20:25, "S Walker" <walke...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: >

Re: [python-uk] Python role - South East England

> > > I never understand why people get angry at jobs being posted to this list. > ​Me neither, but I thought it best to offer an advance warning just in case. regards Steve​ ___ python-uk mailing list python-uk@python.org

Re: [python-uk] Python role - South East England

your jobs by consulting https://www.python.org/community/jobs/howto/. regards Steve Steve Holden On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 3:26 PM, Coates, Paul < p.coa...@progressiverecruitment.com> wrote: > Hi, > > > > I would like to post this job where I am currently looking for 3 Pytho

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 557: Data Classes

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 9:20 AM, Mike Miller wrote: > > On 2017-10-12 00:36, Stéfane Fermigier wrote: > >> "An object that is not defined by its attributes, but rather by a thread >> of continuity and its identity." (from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ >>

Re: [python-uk] London Dojo next Thursday

Please ensure that the time and date of events are included in the body of future emails. Sadly I don't think I can make this one, but I am hoping that eventually my (relatively new) employer will be able to offer occasional hosting. Steve Holden ​PS: Oh, and good luck with the start-up

Re: [Python-Dev] PEP 557: Data Classes

avoid most current opposition and yet a common field-oriented mechanism for accessing units of retrieved data by name. regards Steve​ Steve Holden On Sat, Sep 16, 2017 at 3:44 PM, Sven R. Kunze <srku...@mail.de> wrote: > Thanks for the PEP! :) > > I like the naming. ;) Th

Re: [pydotorg-www] Request to be added to editors group

Hi Max, Just a word of thanks on behalf of the webmaster team for your efforts. Feel free to wade in! regards Steve Steve Holden On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 7:13 PM, Chris Angelico <ros...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 4:12 AM, Max Fuxjäger <m.fuxjae...@gmail.com>

[issue26732] multiprocessing sentinel resource leak

Steve Holden added the comment: IIRC sockets can be marked as inheritable or not. It seems to me it would be a useful enhancement to allow the same determination for the pipes. -- nosy: +holdenweb ___ Python tracker <rep...@bugs.python.org>

Re: [pydotorg-www] MovingToPythonFromOtherLanguages

Hi Joe, One of the pydotorgers will send you a note about permissions, but on behalf of the webmasters I'd like to thank you for taking the time to keep things up to date, regards Steve Steve Holden On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 8:05 PM, D. Joe <pythonw...@etrumeus.com> wrote: > > T

Re: [Python-Dev] Impact of Namedtuple on startup time

Makes sense. Thanks. S Steve Holden On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Raymond Hettinger < raymond.hettin...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Jul 17, 2017, at 8:22 AM, Steve Holden <st...@holdenweb.com> wrote: > > > > My only question is "what's a variable ca

Re: [Python-Dev] Impact of Namedtuple on startup time

ication for breaking public APIs that > have been around for years." ​My only question is "what's a variable called _source doing in the public API?" regards Steve​ Steve Holden ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org ht

Re: [pydotorg-www] Wiki Edit access request (EuroPython 2017 Sprints)

Hi Romain, If you would like the PSF to consider supporting your sprint, you might want to read https://www.python.org/psf/grants/. Good luck - someone else will be in touch about your editing rights. S Steve Holden On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 1:25 PM, Romain Dorgueil <rom...@dorgueil.net>

Re: [pydotorg-www] Requesting editing permission

Hi Jacob, If you would like the PSF to consider supporting your sprint, you might want to read https://www.python.org/psf/grants/. Good luck - someone else will be in touch about your editing rights. S Steve Holden On Wed, Jul 12, 2017 at 1:47 PM, Jacob Arnould <ja...@jacob-arnould.

Re: [pydotorg-www] EuroPython sprint edit

Hi Piotr, If you would like the PSF to consider supporting your sprint, you might want to read https://www.python.org/psf/grants/. Good luck - someone else will be in touch about your editing rights. S Steve Holden On Thu, Jul 13, 2017 at 10:39 AM, Piotr Dyba <pi...@dyba.com.pl> wrote:

Re: [pydotorg-www] hostile act

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Fox <fire...@firemail.cc> wrote: > Better wikis that your own one will never allow such an hostile act to > happen in their wikis. > ​Who is this "you" that you ​rail against while appearing to b

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