On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 4:43 PM, Steven D'Aprano <st...@pearwood.info> wrote:
> On Thu, May 03, 2018 at 06:31:03PM +0000, Brett Cannon wrote: > > > No one is saying people can't be upset and if you are ever upset there's > > something wrong; we're human beings after all. But those of us speaking > up > > about the tone are saying that you can also wait until you're not so > upset > > to write an email. This was never going to be resolved in an hour, so > > waiting an hour until you're in a better place to write an email that > > wasn't quite so inflammatory seems like a reasonable thing to ask. > > Certainly! > > I'm not defending Ivan's initial email. His tantrum *was* annoying, > unreasonable, and unfair to those who do care about tkinter. He could > have done better. > > But *we* should be better too. Our response to Ivan has not been > welcoming, and as a community we haven't lived up to our own standards, > as we have piled onto him to express our rightous indignation: > > 1. Guido responded telling Ivan to calm down and work off his > frustration elsewhere. And that's where things should have > stopped, unless Ivan had persisted in his impoliteness. > > 2. Brian upped the ante by bringing the CoC into discussion. > > 3. Paul raised it again by describing Ivan's post as "offensive". > > 4. And now, Steve H has claimed that Ivan's initial post was > bordering on "abusive". > > We've gone from rightly treating Ivan's post as intemperate and > impolite, and telling him to chill, to calling his post "offensive", to > "abusive". (Next, I presume, someone will claim to be traumatised by > Ivan's email.) > > I for one hold my hand up, and will simply not respond the next time I am tempted to respond in this way. I do not wish to enter into discussion on the semantics of abuse, neither do I want to sidetrack the list from its intended purpose. regards Steve
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