Re: [altusmetrum] [AD] Altus Metrum announces AltosUI for iOS

2018-04-04 Thread Bryan Duke
I think $20 is fair for the iOS app. I write software for the App Store and I 
know it takes a lot of engineering work to get something out there. Even at 
$20, they’ll likely never recoup their actual cost for making it.

That said, this has me wondering if I can add a BT module to my TeleDongle so 
that I don’t have to buy another rx. Also, I wonder if I could connect my 
iPhone to my Mac laptop to get the TeleDongle’s stream. Hmmm.

-Bryan


> On Apr 4, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Chris Attebery  
> wrote:
> 
> Easy enough. Thanks BDale.
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 10:06 AM Bdale Garbee  wrote:
>> Chris Attebery  writes:
>> 
>> > Is there an easy way to tell which version our BT module is?
>> 
>> There are two choices.  One is to plug into it over USB and see what the
>> software says it is (or run a terminal program, connect to the device,
>> and use the 'v' command to see the product and firmware version info).
>> The second is that if you know the serial number, the first TeleBT v4
>> unit was sn 3686.  Any TeleBT with lower serial numbers won't work with
>> iOS.
>> 
>> Bdale
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Re: [altusmetrum] [AD] Altus Metrum announces AltosUI for iOS

2018-04-04 Thread Chris Attebery
Easy enough. Thanks BDale.

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 10:06 AM Bdale Garbee  wrote:

> Chris Attebery  writes:
>
> > Is there an easy way to tell which version our BT module is?
>
> There are two choices.  One is to plug into it over USB and see what the
> software says it is (or run a terminal program, connect to the device,
> and use the 'v' command to see the product and firmware version info).
> The second is that if you know the serial number, the first TeleBT v4
> unit was sn 3686.  Any TeleBT with lower serial numbers won't work with
> iOS.
>
> Bdale
>
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Re: [altusmetrum] [AD] Altus Metrum announces AltosUI for iOS

2018-04-04 Thread Bdale Garbee
Chris Attebery  writes:

> Is there an easy way to tell which version our BT module is?

There are two choices.  One is to plug into it over USB and see what the
software says it is (or run a terminal program, connect to the device,
and use the 'v' command to see the product and firmware version info).
The second is that if you know the serial number, the first TeleBT v4
unit was sn 3686.  Any TeleBT with lower serial numbers won't work with
iOS. 

Bdale


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Re: [altusmetrum] [AD] Altus Metrum announces AltosUI for iOS

2018-04-04 Thread Chris Attebery
Is there an easy way to tell which version our BT module is?

On Wed, Apr 4, 2018 at 9:37 AM Bdale Garbee  wrote:

> Will Marchant  writes:
>
> > Any support for TeleBT v3?
>
> Nope, sorry, for compatibility with iOS devices you need TeleBT v4.
>
> The issue is that Apple locked down Bluetooth on iOS such that there's
> no way we could work with it at all...  It wasn't until we changed BT
> modules to a new one that also supports Bluetooth "LE" (which uses an
> entirely different protocol!) that it opened up the opportunity for
> someone to write an iOS app that could work.
>
> Maybe you can find a friend who used Android to get hooked on our
> products and pass your v3 unit on to so you can pick up a new one?  ;-)
>
> Bdale
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Re: [altusmetrum] [AD] Altus Metrum announces AltosUI for iOS

2018-04-04 Thread Bdale Garbee
Will Marchant  writes:

> Any support for TeleBT v3?

Nope, sorry, for compatibility with iOS devices you need TeleBT v4.

The issue is that Apple locked down Bluetooth on iOS such that there's
no way we could work with it at all...  It wasn't until we changed BT
modules to a new one that also supports Bluetooth "LE" (which uses an
entirely different protocol!) that it opened up the opportunity for
someone to write an iOS app that could work. 

Maybe you can find a friend who used Android to get hooked on our
products and pass your v3 unit on to so you can pick up a new one?  ;-)

Bdale


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Re: [altusmetrum] [AD] Altus Metrum announces AltosUI for iOS

2018-04-04 Thread Will Marchant
Any support for TeleBT v3?

Sent from my electronic leash

> On Apr 4, 2018, at 11:34, Bdale Garbee  wrote:
> 
> "Tim Cubbedge"  writes:
> 
>> Looks cool by why the price? Wasn't Altos for Android free?
> 
> All Altus Metrum software is open source and will remain free of
> charge.  Unfortunately, there are both legal and technical reasons that
> our code just can't be used on devices based on Apple's iOS.  Those of
> you that have hung out with us at launches when this topic came up know
> just how frustrating this has been to Keith and me since we first
> started Altus Metrum. 
> 
> We are immensely fortunate that our friends at Iron Sheep, an iOS
> applications development shop, got excited enough about the new
> Bluetooth LE support in TeleBT version 4 that they've written a new
> application for iOS that works with Altus Metrum products completely
> from scratch!
> 
> We're really pleased that there's iOS support for our products now, and
> that you have the choice of using your iPhone or iPad if you
> want... even if the independently developed app is something you have to
> pay a modest fee for.  Our understanding is that it's a one-time, once
> per family, fee for the app.  That seems completely reasonable to us
> given the large number of hours we know went into developing the app and
> getting it approved for inclusion in the Apple app store! 
> 
>> Does it work with TeleGPS?
> 
> Yep!  Works fine.  And, in fact, we've been talking with Iron Sheep
> about how to better support TeleGPS in both the new iOS app and
> AltosDroid in the future.
> 
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Re: [altusmetrum] [AD] Altus Metrum announces AltosUI for iOS

2018-04-04 Thread Bdale Garbee
"Tim Cubbedge"  writes:

> Looks cool by why the price? Wasn't Altos for Android free?

All Altus Metrum software is open source and will remain free of
charge.  Unfortunately, there are both legal and technical reasons that
our code just can't be used on devices based on Apple's iOS.  Those of
you that have hung out with us at launches when this topic came up know
just how frustrating this has been to Keith and me since we first
started Altus Metrum. 

We are immensely fortunate that our friends at Iron Sheep, an iOS
applications development shop, got excited enough about the new
Bluetooth LE support in TeleBT version 4 that they've written a new
application for iOS that works with Altus Metrum products completely
from scratch!

We're really pleased that there's iOS support for our products now, and
that you have the choice of using your iPhone or iPad if you
want... even if the independently developed app is something you have to
pay a modest fee for.  Our understanding is that it's a one-time, once
per family, fee for the app.  That seems completely reasonable to us
given the large number of hours we know went into developing the app and
getting it approved for inclusion in the Apple app store! 

> Does it work with TeleGPS?

Yep!  Works fine.  And, in fact, we've been talking with Iron Sheep
about how to better support TeleGPS in both the new iOS app and
AltosDroid in the future.

Bdale


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Re: [altusmetrum] [AD] Altus Metrum announces AltosUI for iOS

2018-04-04 Thread Tim Cubbedge
Looks cool by why the price? Wasn't Altos for Android free?
Does it work with TeleGPS?

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Sent: Wednesday, April 4, 2018 1:43 AM
To: Altus Metrum 
Subject: [altusmetrum] [AD] Altus Metrum announces AltosUI for iOS

Altus Metrum announces AltosUI for iOS

Our friends at Iron Sheep Productions, LLC have created the AltosUI iOS 
application to bring Altus Metrum application support to Apple iPhone and iPad 
devices. Available now in the Apple App Store, AltosUI for iOS monitors your 
rocket flight through a TeleBT v4 ground station, reporting status on the 
screen and through voice synthesis. Once your rocket is on the ground, you can 
use AltosUI for iOS to walk to your rocket with live maps. More details about 
AltosUI for iOS are available here:

http://altosui.ironsheep.biz/

With the introduction of this new iOS application, Altus Metrum products are 
the first rocketry products to include full support for ground stations running 
the customer's choice of Windows, MacOS, Linux, Android, or iOS.

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Re: [altusmetrum] [AD] Altus Metrum announces AltosUI for iOS

2018-04-03 Thread Bryan Duke
Very cool! It looks like it’ll be a nice app to use.

-Bryan
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