On Thu March 20 2003 12:01, Martinez, Michael - CSREES/ISTM wrote:
So unsubscribe.
Probably the amanda people would not appreciate that statement.
At risk of adding fuel to this current out of control wildfire, I'm
not an 'amanda' author if thats what you mean, but I am an 'amanda'
user, and
I hope they don't search for the word Pornography, or they are going to be
really happy with the spam in our list in the few last days :)
Please, could you stop with the discussion with cc to the list? I don't care
about the porn spam, but the pointless discussion is not of my interest.-
Kind
Warning: bullshit rant follows. Delete at will please,
totally off topic.
Mitch Collinsworth on Thu 20/03 17:31 -0500:
Have we reached the point yet where the spam discussion
has generated more list messages today than all the spam
that's crossed it in the past year?
Thank you for injecting
Kirk Strauser on Thu 20/03 18:33 -0600:
There is no reason someone should not want to subscribe
to the list to post.
That's not true:
Oh, crap, my server just melted, and I'm having trouble
getting Amanda to work! I need an answer ASAP! I know,
I'll send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
At 2003-03-21T09:22:37Z, Scott Mcdermott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kirk Strauser on Thu 20/03 18:33 -0600:
honestly...just give up this garbage.
OK, I was attempting to keep this at an adult level. I didn't realize that
you did not wish to do so.
Even if you post when you aren't
if you allow someone
to post illegal material to your list.
Us folks that work in government have strict rules about pornography and are
under surveillance from our Security people who are on the watch for this
kind of activity. Folks like Wayne (below) and myself find ourselves running
a risk when we
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 at 4:09pm, Seth, Wayne (Contractor) wrote
Since signing up on the Amanda list serve about 2 or 3 weeks ago, my e-mail
address seems to have distributed to several pornographic spammers. Because
of that, I cannot continue with the list. Please unsubscribe me.
To be clear,
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 at 8:02am, Martinez, Michael - CSREES/ISTM wrote
I think you should implement a spam prevention policy and a moderated list.
Are you volunteering to be moderator? I'm not at all involved with
running this list, but it seems to me that, given the pretty high traffic,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Joshua Baker-LePain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 6:42 AM
To: Seth, Wayne (Contractor)
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: Pornography
On Wed, 19 Mar 2003 at 4:09pm, Seth, Wayne (Contractor) wrote
Since signing up
mail going indirectly through the mailing list should be easy thou,
using tools like spamassassin.
-Frank.
From: Seth, Wayne (Contractor) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 6:09 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Pornography
Since signing up on the Amanda list serve
we'll all have more
freedom, right?
Us folks that work in government have strict rules about
pornography and are under surveillance from our Security
people who are on the watch for this kind of activity.
So get a new job.
Folks like Wayne (below) and myself find ourselves running
a risk when
Donald L. (Don) Ritchey
E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message-
From: Seth, Wayne (Contractor) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:22 AM
To: 'Joshua Baker-LePain'; Seth, Wayne (Contractor)
Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Pornography
Joshua,
The spam
On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 05:43, Joshua Baker-LePain wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 at 8:02am, Martinez, Michael - CSREES/ISTM wrote
I think you should implement a spam prevention policy and a moderated list.
Are you volunteering to be moderator?
My $0.02: unmoderated.
I very
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu 20/03 08:58 -0600:
Whenever a member spams the list, he/she/it is removed
from the list and banned for some period of time (1 to 6
months seems reasonable).
this doesn't help the main problem, which is list archive
address harvesting.
There is no solution to this
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Seth, Wayne (Contractor) wrote:
several foreign languages, so probably not from one source. My feeling is
that somehow the spammers have gotten into to amanda user-list database and
are using it directly.
Or perhaps they've found your email address in a post on one of
?).
Employees of the government must abide by very strict rules that are rigidly
enforced. Believe it or not, working for the military isn't all bad. There
are many benefits. However, the attitude regarding pornography is what it
is.
-Original Message-
From: Albert Hopkins [mailto
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, David Raistrick wrote:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/amanda-users/message/42277
Of course, now I notice that groups.yahoo is finally obfuscating the email
addresses.
Other list archives are not, though:
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=amanda-usersm=104812034407134w=2
/USDA
-Original Message-
From: Joshua Baker-LePain [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 8:44 AM
To: Martinez, Michael - CSREES/ISTM
Cc: 'Seth, Wayne (Contractor)'; '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Pornography
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 at 8:02am, Martinez, Michael
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Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 6:09 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Pornography
Since signing up on the Amanda list serve about 2 or 3 weeks
ago, my e-mail address seems to have distributed to several
pornographic spammers. Because of that, I cannot continue
So unsubscribe.
Probably the amanda people would not appreciate that statement.
Also, you may find yourself with legal problems if you
allow someone to post illegal material to your list.
Oh please, what are you trying to threaten people because
you can't be bothered to filter your
Brian Cuttler wrote:
Seth,
I'm not getting that spam via the list. maybe my address got
out that way but its not the vector for the incoming.
That's very odd. All the spam I get is through the list -- porn or otherwise.
Why is the list set up to allow non-subscribers to post to it?
On Thursday 20 March 2003 11:34 am, Scott Mcdermott wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu 20/03 08:58 -0600:
Whenever a member spams the list, he/she/it is removed
from the list and banned for some period of time (1 to 6
months seems reasonable).
this doesn't help the main problem, which is
PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:35 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Pornography
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu 20/03 08:58 -0600:
Whenever a member spams the list, he/she/it is removed
from the list and banned for some period of time (1 to 6
months seems reasonable).
this doesn't help
tools like spamassassin.
-Frank.
From: Seth, Wayne (Contractor) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 6:09 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Pornography
Since signing up on the Amanda list serve about 2 or 3 weeks
ago, my e-mail address seems to have distributed
One of the things that might help is to limit majordomo's who access to
list members. I have tried this from a yahoo account, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
is happy to supply me with a list of all subscribers to the amanda-users
list. I suppose it would do so for the other lists as well. I see no
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 at 12:46pm, Marty Shannon, RHCE wrote
I'm not getting that spam via the list. maybe my address got
out that way but its not the vector for the incoming.
That's very odd. All the spam I get is through the list -- porn or otherwise.
Why is the list set up to allow
Joshua Baker-LePain wrote:
On Thu, 20 Mar 2003 at 12:46pm, Marty Shannon, RHCE wrote
I'm not getting that spam via the list. maybe my address got
out that way but its not the vector for the incoming.
That's very odd. All the spam I get is through the list -- porn or otherwise.
Marty Shannon, RHCE on Thu 20/03 12:46 -0500:
That's very odd. All the spam I get is through the list
-- porn or otherwise.
I don't get any spam off the amanda-users list either btw.
What must be happening is that the spammers are forging
from-headers and sending to addresses they have
Every other list I subscribe to is moderated.
Really? Are you sure that they don't simply restrict posting by
requiring a subscription to post?
A classic moderated list requires each individual message to be approved
by a human before it is distributed to the list. This requires much more
Maybe I'm just wrong. I guess I could be getting spam from
the list that comes with the originator's email address
rather than something indicating amanda in name or subject.
I take it all back, I don't know. All I know is that I'm not
in a position where subscription to a valid work related
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 12:46:18PM -0500, Marty Shannon, RHCE wrote:
Why is the list set up to allow non-subscribers to post to it?
Ummm... Because people who don't subscribe to the list might want to
ask a question about amana?
Scott Mcdermott wrote:
Marty Shannon, RHCE on Thu 20/03 12:46 -0500:
That's very odd. All the spam I get is through the list
-- porn or otherwise.
I don't get any spam off the amanda-users list either btw.
What must be happening is that the spammers are forging
from-headers and
Marty Shannon, RHCE on Thu 20/03 13:50 -0500:
*All* lists *I'm* on -- with the exception of this one --
do not permit any access by non-subscribers (except to
subscribe, of course).
Agreed. This is standard practice on most lists and cuts
down radically on direct spam to the list itself.
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 12:01:26PM -0500, Martinez, Michael - CSREES/ISTM wrote:
Also, you may find yourself with legal problems if you
allow someone to post illegal material to your list.
Oh please, what are you trying to threaten people because
you can't be bothered to filter your
[EMAIL PROTECTED](Scott Mcdermott) 20.03.03 11:34
Once upon a time Scott Mcdermott shaped the electrons to say...
[EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu 20/03 08:58 -0600:
Whenever a member spams the list, he/she/it is removed
from the list and banned for some period of time (1 to 6
months seems
[EMAIL PROTECTED](Seth, Wayne (Contractor)) 20.03.03 07:21
Joshua,
The spam comes both ways.
I searched and the last three spams went totally normally
to amanda-user
Be cause i never mail with my subscription address to any mailing list
i can be quite sure that the database is not
in the
On Thu, Mar 20, 2003 at 02:19:54PM -0500, Scott Mcdermott wrote:
Marty Shannon, RHCE on Thu 20/03 12:46 -0500:
That's very odd. All the spam I get is through the list
-- porn or otherwise.
I don't get any spam off the amanda-users list either btw.
I happen to archive the lists I read.
Is there some confusion here with terminology...
moderated mailing list does not equal qualified-posting to mailing list...
i.e. qualified by list membership...
just checking if this is a misunderstanding amongst some subscribers?
If so, this discussion for/against qualified posting has come up
Brian Cuttler on Thu 20/03 15:21 -0500:
That and I'm pretty handy with the delete key, anything
that is in HTML or meantions my size in the first two
lines goes.
and sadly, that covers about 95% of spam :)
Dave Sherohman on Thu 20/03 14:36 -0600:
Why is the list set up to allow non-subscribers to post
to it?
Ummm... Because people who don't subscribe to the list
might want to ask a question about amana?
ummm... we're supposed to all get spammed to accomodate the
fact that you are too lazy
c) I've never heard of a list admin even being threatened with legal
action over the content of list messages except in cases where the list
was explicitly dedicated to the distribution of illegal content.
I believe this happened on the Exim list.
and likely others...
On Thursday, March 20, 2003, at 03:42 PM, Scott Mcdermott wrote:
Marty Shannon, RHCE on Thu 20/03 13:50 -0500:
*All* lists *I'm* on -- with the exception of this one --
do not permit any access by non-subscribers (except to
subscribe, of course).
Agreed. This is standard practice on most lists
Thomas Hu on Thu 20/03 17:26 -0500:
Have we enjoyed talking about spam so far? Is this still
an amanda list? Are we interested in spam more than in
amanda? Finally, is enough enough?
The same discussion occurs about every year or so on many
lists. Those that aren't interested can hit their
Have we reached the point yet where the spam discussion has generated
more list messages today than all the spam that's crossed it in the
past year?
-Mitch
Have we enjoyed talking about spam so far? Is this still an amanda
list? Are we interested in spam more than in amanda? Finally, is enough
enough?
Thomas
At 2003-03-20T13:02:16Z, Martinez, Michael - CSREES/ISTM [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Us folks that work in government have strict rules about pornography and
are under surveillance from our Security people who are on the watch for
this kind of activity.
I'm sure that's true. I know
At 2003-03-20T20:42:52Z, Scott Mcdermott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There is no reason someone should not want to subscribe to the list to
post.
That's not true:
Oh, crap, my server just melted, and I'm having trouble getting Amanda to
work! I need an answer ASAP! I know, I'll send an email
Kirk Strauser wrote:
At 2003-03-20T20:42:52Z, Scott Mcdermott [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
There is no reason someone should not want to subscribe to the list to
post.
That's not true:
Oh, crap, my server just melted, and I'm having trouble getting Amanda to
work! I need an answer
Have we enjoyed talking about spam so far? Is this still
an amanda list? Are we interested in spam more than in
amanda? Finally, is enough enough?
The same discussion occurs about every year or so on many
lists. Those that aren't interested can hit their
delete-thread key.
Since signing up on the Amanda list serve about 2 or 3 weeks ago, my e-mail
address seems to have distributed to several pornographic spammers. Because
of that, I cannot continue with the list. Please unsubscribe me.
Wayne Seth
COE Lab Manager
520-538-0110
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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