[amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites?

2013-09-01 Thread Ross Whenmouth
Hi, I think it takes about 2500m/s delta V to get from from LEO to a GTO. How feasible is it to use some type of an electric thruster (high specific impulse but low net thrust - eg a hall effect thruster or similar device) to slowly crawl up to GTO from LEO? I imagine that such a bird would

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2013-09-01 Thread M5AKA
I think it takes about 2500m/s delta V to get from from LEO to a GTO. How feasible is it to use some type of an electric thruster (high specific impulse but low net thrust - eg a hall effect thruster or similar device) to slowly crawl up to GTO from LEO? Hi Ross, Very feasible, there are

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2013-08-31 Thread Alan
-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Rick Tejera Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:14 PM To: 'amsat-bb' Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites? Andrew, I for one do appreciate the work the board and other volunteers do. It's certainly something I'm far from

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2013-08-31 Thread Brenton Salmi
- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Rick Tejera Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 5:14 PM To: 'amsat-bb' Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites? Andrew, I for one do appreciate the work the board and other volunteers do. It's certainly

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2013-08-30 Thread M5AKA
From: Joe n...@mwt.net Iknow kinda radical, but how about working with one of the radical new guys on the orbital block, Like the Chinese? or in a few years once they get all the bugs worked out, even the North Koreans? There are a very limited number of organisations that have the

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2013-08-30 Thread Andrew Glasbrenner
Add Japan to that list as well. 73, Drew KO4MA Sent from my iPhone On Aug 30, 2013, at 6:35 AM, M5AKA m5...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: The USA, Russian Federation, ESA, India and Beijing can do it but that's it. ___ Sent via AMSAT-BB@amsat.org. Opinions

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2013-08-30 Thread Robert Bruninga
-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Schultz Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 10:56 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites? In the 1980's era of AO-10 and AO-13, AMSAT was just about the only outfit interested in launching small

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2013-08-30 Thread Joe
And or start working on OK can't get ride to High orbit,,, at least get us to a LEO spot and develop like Ion engines or something so we can eventually work our way to a high orbit, like with an ION engine, so it takes a few years to get there because of the low push level, but hey a few years

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2013-08-30 Thread Rick Tejera
www.saguaroastro.org Thunderbird Amateur Radio Club www.w7tbc.org -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Glasbrenner Sent: Friday, August 30, 2013 7:22 AM To: Jeff Moore; amsat-bb Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit

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2013-08-30 Thread n0jy
For AMSAT-NA, I believe ITAR prohibits us from pursuing such opportunities. Jerry N0JY On 8/29/2013 9:34 AM, Joe wrote: Iknow kinda radical, but how about working with one of the radical new guys on the orbital block, Like the Chinese? or in a few years once they get all the bugs worked out,

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2013-08-30 Thread Joe Leikhim
+0100 From: Fabiano Moserfabianomo...@gmail.com Cc: amsat-bbamsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites? Message-ID: CAM6o-maX=9KaU6mjALYxUtjk_BMNp=+x5M0fvfZ=q2jetuk...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 How manny Amateur Radio whole world can

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2013-08-30 Thread n0jy
In fact many, many VOLUNTEER hours have been put in by the AMSAT leadership to get the two launch opportunities we have for Fox-1 and RadFXSat. You wouldn't believe the work involved. They deserve a big thank you for getting that done for us! It would be wonderful to share everything going

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2013-08-30 Thread Andrew Glasbrenner
On 8/30/2013 1:25 AM, Jeff Moore wrote: How about hitting up the new COMMERCIAL launchers like SpaceX?? Those guys originated as amateur rocketeers. I would hope that folks have a little more faith in AMSAT leadership as far as exploring opportunities for launches, even if you don't read

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2013-08-29 Thread PE0SAT | Amateur Radio
Hi Peter, This is the one million dollar question ... 73 Jan PE0SAT On 29-08-2013 08:58, Peter Klein wrote: What are the chances that there will be another high-orbit satellite like AO-10 and AO-13? Does AMSAT have any plans in that direction since the demise of AO-40? My main satellite

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2013-08-29 Thread Andrew Glasbrenner
AMSAT-DL has Phase 3E mostly built, but the free launches of the past are gone. I believe the area of 10 million Euros is what they have been quoted for a purchased launch, which is out of the realm of amateur radio fundraising. AMSAT-DL has continued to search for an affordable launch. US

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2013-08-29 Thread M5AKA
From: PE0SAT This is the one million dollar question ... Or more likely a $10 million question which would be about the cost of a launch. Peter Guelzow DB2OS, gave an AMSAT-DL update at the AMSAT-UK Colloquium in July. Watch online at http://www.batc.tv/streams/amsat1306 or download the

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2013-08-29 Thread Alan
Peter, Most of us really miss the old birds. I was transferring satellite QSOs from the 1980s through the early 2000s to my electronic logbook, and was amazed at what I worked. AMSAT-DL has an excellent P3 satellite, currently being updated, but essentially ready to go. Here is the problem:

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2013-08-29 Thread Paul Stoetzer
We need a very wealthy individual or two to get into the hobby and decide they want to work a HEO! If I were to win the lottery or somehow come into a few tens of millions of dollars, I'd pony up for the launch. Honestly, though, the numbers aren't completely unrealistic. A long and coordinated

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2013-08-29 Thread Stefan Wagener
Well Paul, If you think about it. We might still have a few thousand folks left that are still members of one or more AMSATs. Maybe 10% or less are active at all. For example, the last two passes (a few minutes ago) on SO-50 (2 active). FO-29 (2 active). So, the big question for me is why would

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2013-08-29 Thread Joe
Iknow kinda radical, but how about working with one of the radical new guys on the orbital block, Like the Chinese? or in a few years once they get all the bugs worked out, even the North Koreans? Hey a ride is a ride if they can do it for cheap I don't care. Joe WB9SBD Sig The Original

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2013-08-29 Thread Virgil Bierschwale
America At Work -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Paul Stoetzer Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 8:41 AM To: apbid...@mailaps.org Cc: amsat-bb@amsat.org; Peter Klein Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites? We need

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2013-08-29 Thread Gordon JC Pearce
On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 09:34:41AM -0500, Joe wrote: Iknow kinda radical, but how about working with one of the radical new guys on the orbital block, Like the Chinese? or in a few years once they get all the bugs worked out, even the North Koreans? Hey a ride is a ride if they can do it for

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2013-08-29 Thread i8cvs
Hi Peter, KD7MW I also really miss AO-10, AO-13 and particularly AO40 and I losted a lot of money to get ready in all modes for AO40 but actually after 10 years that AO40 died my antennas are becoming rusty and metal scrap over the roof. Sorry,it was nice until lasted but in my opinion there is

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2013-08-29 Thread Fabiano Moser
How manny Amateur Radio whole world can join this Challenge? What about: http://www.kickstarter.com ??? On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Gordon JC Pearce gordon...@gjcp.netwrote: On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 09:34:41AM -0500, Joe wrote: Iknow kinda radical, but how about working with one of the

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2013-08-29 Thread Alan
, that may be some time in changing. :) 73s, Alan WA4SCA -Original Message- From: amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-boun...@amsat.org] On Behalf Of Gordon JC Pearce Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 12:03 PM To: amsat-bb@amsat.org Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: High orbit satellites? On Thu

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2013-08-29 Thread Daniel Schultz
In the 1980's era of AO-10 and AO-13, AMSAT was just about the only outfit interested in launching small satellites, there was no commercial market for secondary launches, and we got them free or very cheap. In today's world, every university on Earth is building a Cubesat and commercial and