[android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-02-24 Thread sblantipodi
honeycomb is also slower. congratulations google. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

[android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-02-24 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
How did you exactly determine this? On Feb 24, 11:25 pm, sblantipodi perini.dav...@dpsoftware.org wrote: honeycomb is also slower. congratulations google. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-02-24 Thread Shrinivas Sahukar
:) On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 8:55 PM, sblantipodi perini.dav...@dpsoftware.orgwrote: honeycomb is also slower. congratulations google. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-29 Thread Miguel Morales
Not to mention that testing OpenGL games is impossible. The only way to test on devices is users, otherwise it's just a guessing and hoping for the best. In any case, I don't care WHY the emulator is so slow. Hopefully they'll make it fast in the near future, the iPhone emulator is much better.

[android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-29 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
(and yes, you can run 8-bit pacman full speed on far slower devices - i.e. Spectrum emulator on Palm phone (which is 300MHz). I meant if Pacman's 8080 were running at 1GHz. No way it could be emulated at full speed on a 2GHz i86, if each instruction is emulated individually -- not even close.

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-29 Thread Dianne Hackborn
On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 1:26 AM, Miguel Morales therevolti...@gmail.comwrote: Not to mention that testing OpenGL games is impossible. The only way to test on devices is users, otherwise it's just a guessing and hoping for the best. In any case, I don't care WHY the emulator is so slow.

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-29 Thread Leigh McRae
It's easy to say that until you have actually written an OpenGL game for Android. Running at seconds per frame instead of frames per second means you can ONLY test on real hardware. On real hardware my game (Tank Recon 3D) takes over 5 minutes to load in the debugger (30 seconds on

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-29 Thread Marc Petit-Huguenin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 01/29/2011 10:55 AM, Leigh McRae wrote: It's easy to say that until you have actually written an OpenGL game for Android. Running at seconds per frame instead of frames per second means you can ONLY test on real hardware. On real hardware my

[android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-29 Thread Robert Green
iOS simulator is fast because XCode builds an X86 binary and because iPhone and OSX both run basically the same OS, there is no actual emulation happening, mostly just API mapping... It's running as a mostly OS-Native binary. Unless you want to develop your apps in Android itself on your desktop

[android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-28 Thread sblantipodi
Other emulators works with natively speed, don't compare a 1GHz Cortex or Snapdragon processor with a modern desktop CPU please, its ridiculous. @Raphael: Thanks for the answer, I appreciate your answer and hope to see some fix soon :) On Jan 28, 3:44 am, Zsolt Vasvari zvasv...@gmail.com wrote:

[android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-28 Thread JAlexoid (Aleksandr Panzin)
I'm not complaining about the performance, since I know the problems behind it. But, with the inevitable performance problems maybe a simulated environment(with x86 architecture) or a Android x86 VM would be a better option(in performance). Problems will probably arise with the optimisations of

[android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-28 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
Thanks for the lesson, I didn't realize that a 1GHz Cortex is not directly comparable to a 2GHz Core i3... All I was trying to say that emulating of 1GHz of any non native code at the instruction level will be slow on a 2Ghz host. I'd bet if you tried to run a PacMan 8-bit CPU at 1GHz, it

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-28 Thread Marcin Orlowski
All I was trying to say that emulating of 1GHz of any non native code at the instruction level will be slow on a 2Ghz host.  I'd bet if you tried to run a PacMan 8-bit CPU at 1GHz, it wouldn't emulate at full speed or even come close. 8-bit or not is not directly related to possible emulation

[android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-28 Thread Jonathan Foley
As Dianne mentioned and others have before, the bottleneck is the dynamic translation of ARM opcodes to x86 opcodes. Other VM's like Vmware emulate hardware, but they are still executing code natively albeit with some hypervisor that itself has direct hooks within modern processors. The WebOS and

[android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-27 Thread sblantipodi
Performance problem on android SDK isn't related on what you are talking here. Android SDK is so slow also with android 2.2 and 2.2. The SDK uses only one core and this is a shame. Too slow for everything that needs more power than a fart app. -- You received this message because you are

[android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-27 Thread niko20
I agree, the SDK itself is slow, not just the emulator. I've noticed that with every release of the SDK it gets slower. -niko On Jan 27, 6:56 am, sblantipodi perini.dav...@dpsoftware.org wrote: Performance problem on android SDK isn't related on what you are talking here. Android SDK is so

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-27 Thread Mark Murphy
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 12:16 PM, niko20 nikolatesl...@yahoo.com wrote: I agree, the SDK itself is slow, not just the emulator. I've noticed that with every release of the SDK it gets slower. The SDK is a ZIP file (or a self-installing EXE on Windows). ZIP files do not have speed and hence

[android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-27 Thread JAlexoid (Aleksandr Panzin)
I have the same problem with all AVDs, regardless of the version. The emulator in general sucks in performance. I'm on 64 bit Ubuntu, bus same goes for Windows XP and Windows 7. On 27 янв, 03:58, Jake Basile jakerbas...@gmail.com wrote: I have a Core i7-920, 6GB of DDR-1333 RAM, and an ATI

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-27 Thread Raphael
We are aware of the emulator speed issue and are actively working on it. R/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email

[android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-27 Thread Zsolt Vasvari
Honestly, what do people expect? You are trying to emulate a 1GHz computer on a 2GHz computer with a completely different architecture. I can't imagine it will ever be fast. I used do MAME development and can tell you that it's hard to get the emulation running for even a 10 year old system with

[android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-26 Thread DanH
Odd, I've never had any real trouble with the performance. The first time the emulator comes up is always painful, but once it's configured everything else is reasonably swift. On Jan 26, 7:35 pm, sblantipodi perini.dav...@dpsoftware.org wrote: As title. I think that Androdi SDK should think

[android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-26 Thread Jake Basile
I have a Core i7-920, 6GB of DDR-1333 RAM, and an ATI 5770. I get maybe 5-10 FPS on the Honeycomb emulator. This thing needs serious performance testing and improvement. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this

Re: [android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-26 Thread Dianne Hackborn
The issue with HC is that it now has a huge screen to draw, and the emulator itself doesn't implement any hardware acceleration of drawing, so it needs to emulate ARM code that is rendering to a window, and then emulate yet more ARM code that composites together the final display. Implementing

[android-developers] Re: Android SDK is so slow that is ridiculous.

2011-01-26 Thread Kevin TeslaCoil Software
And wouldn't you like to have *some* kind of working HC emulator now before devices ship? I just wanted to say yes, absolutely. Thanks for getting this to us soon, even in an unfinished/preview state rather than making us wait for the device to ship and our apps to be broken on customers