[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
Thanks. I was able to get competent help at the TMobile store. They were apologetic that they didn't have a prepaid data plan for the G1. The nice man at the counter put his own sim card in the phone for long enough to get past the first sign in. I since got it going with my own SIM card and wifi back here at home. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
Just to update everyone. In the absence of guidance on what will run 2.0, I decided against Dev 2 or the Droid. That means I'll probably end up getting something else later, but hopefully when there is more clarification or more choices. The multitouch, for one, is one that will be hard to test out without 2.0. I've found a used G1 that is one of many on a local craigslist. Now here is the question: Will I be able to get past the initial Google Account screen and use wifi to activate it? Or do I need to go into the TMobile store and sign up for some data plan for long enough to activate the phone? If I have to do that second option, I can - it'll just take some time away from programming. So far I can't get past that initial screen because my SIM card is not provisioned for data access - it is a prepaid minutes TMobile plan. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
You need any SIM card with data access to pass initial screen (of course if your phone is unlocked and accept any SIM) . After that SIM card can be removed. On 19 ноя, 08:54, Nathan nathan.d.mel...@gmail.com wrote: Just to update everyone. In the absence of guidance on what will run 2.0, I decided against Dev 2 or the Droid. That means I'll probably end up getting something else later, but hopefully when there is more clarification or more choices. The multitouch, for one, is one that will be hard to test out without 2.0. I've found a used G1 that is one of many on a local craigslist. Now here is the question: Will I be able to get past the initial Google Account screen and use wifi to activate it? Or do I need to go into the TMobile store and sign up for some data plan for long enough to activate the phone? If I have to do that second option, I can - it'll just take some time away from programming. So far I can't get past that initial screen because my SIM card is not provisioned for data access - it is a prepaid minutes TMobile plan. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
Most rooted phones can see all the apps (because they report 'ro.secure=1') ION, running the upstream build, can not see or download protected apps (ro.secure=0) On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 3:21 AM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) cor...@gmail.com wrote: I have a Google ION and can purchase and download any app I want. I believe only rooted phones are restricted from downloading paid apps, is that correct? -John Coryat Radar Now! What Zip Code? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
I don't know if someone else mentioned this, but I want to stress that 99% of developers do NOT need a dev phone. If you just want to write android apps in Java and run them, any phone will do this. Dev phones are for if you want to do OS-level development. I'd much prefer a phone that can download any app to one that can't. I have a G1 and a Google IO phone, and not being able to see my own paid apps on the market can be a hassle. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
I have a G1 dev phone and can't see any paid apps in the marketplace with the device. On Nov 14, 12:21 am, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) cor...@gmail.com wrote: I have a Google ION and can purchase and download any app I want. I believe only rooted phones are restricted from downloading paid apps, is that correct? -John Coryat Radar Now! What Zip Code? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
I generally agree with Julius, I've been doing all my development on a G1 (equivalent to the ADP1) and it's served me very well. IMHO, the G1/ ADP1 is the reference hardware for Android at the current time. On Nov 13, 8:30 am, Julius Spencer jul...@msa.co.nz wrote: I have found the G1 pretty good. I have written apps which combine sensors (acceleration, orientation), GPS, 3D graphics and some maths. It would be nice if the processor were faster, but generally it's great. I would suggest that a slower CPU is *better* for a dev phone; a faster CPU is more likely to mask performance problems in your code. If your app runs well on a G1, it'll run great on any newer, faster processors. The converse is not necessarily true, and given that this is one of the main reasons for testing on real hardware (the emulators do not give a true indication of performance), it's an important issue. The main issue I have is getting the Wifi to work consistently, but this seems to be the same with the Hero so perhaps this is not hardware related. Also this hasn't affected development. Haven't had this experience with my own G1, nor have I particularly heard about it in the community, so I might respectfully suggest it's just an issue with Julius' unit. I haven't read anything yet saying the G1 will not run 2.0. Now, this *is* a red flag, IMHO. There's been no official word, of course, but the numbers look iffy... see http://androidandme.com/2009/10/news/g1-owners-could-miss-out-on-android-2-0/ for one appraisal. It's not the final answer, but it casts enough doubt that I would seriously hesitate before buying a G1/ADP1 at this stage. If I were in your shoes, Nathan, I think I'd try to hold off buying anything until 2.0 is released at large and it's clear which devices will and won't run it. String -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
If I were in your shoes, Nathan, I think I'd try to hold off buying anything until 2.0 is released at large and it's clear which devices will and won't run it. I see the wisdom in that. I can get by with emulators. At this time, Dev2 is at the top of my list - if it runs 2.0 Buying an unlocked Motorola droid is also a possibility. Advantage is lots of features, disadvantage that the performance might mask app inefficiencies. Also, I don't have enough experience to know what it's like using a retail phone for development - are there big disadvantages compared to a dev phone? Perhaps I could only use it for 2.0 and above. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
The only problem I see with the G1 is the doubts I've seen expressed about whether it will get Android 2.0. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
What they are going to sell as ADP2 is simply irrelevant as it lacks keyboard. So far, ADP1 (or a rooted G1) all the time. On Nov 13, 4:43 am, Nathan nathan.d.mel...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure this comes up once a while For me, this is one developer buying one phone. Not someone who can afford a fleet of them. Google Market offers two dev phones. They have a few specs but I don't know if it tells the whole picture. What retail phones are these ones most like? Dev Phone 1: Keyboard. No Wifi. Dev Phone 2: No Keyboard. Seems more advanced otherwise than Dev Phone 1. Would you recommend one of these - or neither because you think they will never run 2.0? In that case I would be stuck with trying to unlock a locked phone. I don't know how successful I'd be at that - I never even managed to unlock a Nokia phone from ATT after the contract was up. The things I would hope to test out that I can't do with an emulator (at least don't know how): GPS Sensors. Gestures. The dev phones don't seem to mention what sensors they have. Possibly useful (not sure): Some 3D Capability I'm thinking the keyboard is helpful because I can always test with and without it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
For me, this is one developer buying one phone. Not someone who can afford a fleet of them. One thing to keep in mind which may not be obvious unless you do some searching online. With a Dev Phone 1 for example, you can browse the marketplace download free apps but you CANNOT view or buy paid apps with a developer phone. If this is your only device and are thinking of developing apps for the marketplace to sell, how do you see what others are selling? You don't! That's a big negative for the dev phones in my opinion. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
On Nov 12, 10:35 pm, Alberto afonsec...@gmail.com wrote: One thing to keep in mind which may not be obvious unless you do some searching online. With a Dev Phone 1 for example, you can browse the marketplace download free apps but you CANNOT view or buy paid apps with a developer phone. If this is your only device and are thinking of developing apps for the marketplace to sell, how do you see what others are selling? You don't! That's a big negative for the dev phones in my opinion. This is a concern. If I understand right, it is because Dev phones have access to the program files directory, and therefore could bypass copy protection. If that's the case, then a non dev phone might give me trouble if I *can't* access the program files directory. I'm not speaking from experience here, since I don't have a phone yet. Nathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
Well, hopefully there will soon be a 2.0 image for the ADP1. Right now there is almost no $$ to be made selling apps so I don't want to buy any more hardware. That said the ADP1 (HTC dream phone) has been a a really good device. It is well built, fast, has all the sensors and has a keyboard. I am pleased with it and hope that a 2.0 image will be available soon! The thing about not seeing the copy protected apps on the ADP market clientis a minor inconvenience as there are several web sites that show the same information (btw, the whole copy protection thing is waste of time anyway. It does not work and the copy protected apk files are available on pirate sites. Google should go ahead an display copy protected apps on the ADP market app and make them available for download (and require payment if they are pay for apps)). On Nov 13, 3:25 pm, Nathan nathan.d.mel...@gmail.com wrote: On Nov 12, 10:35 pm, Alberto afonsec...@gmail.com wrote: One thing to keep in mind which may not be obvious unless you do some searching online. With a Dev Phone 1 for example, you can browse the marketplace download free apps but you CANNOT view or buy paid apps with a developer phone. If this is your only device and are thinking of developing apps for the marketplace to sell, how do you see what others are selling? You don't! That's a big negative for the dev phones in my opinion. This is a concern. If I understand right, it is because Dev phones have access to the program files directory, and therefore could bypass copy protection. If that's the case, then a non dev phone might give me trouble if I *can't* access the program files directory. I'm not speaking from experience here, since I don't have a phone yet. Nathan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
You can quite easily setup an emulator that has the market app on it. I did this once Cyrket went off the air as it's a lot easier to view the position of my apps on the emulator than the actual device. Search Google for that topic to find out how to do it. Free, paid and copy protected apps can be viewed. Don't know about downloading, as I haven't tried that, nor am I interested in doing that on an emulator. -John Coryat Radar Now! What Zip Code? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
I can only give you my impressions from a user of the Dev phone 2 which has been previously released as the Google ION (at the Google IO 2009 conference). It's a very nice device, I use it as my regular phone now, on ATT with a $15 data plan and the usual voice plan. It works quite well, runs 1.6 perfectly, hopefully it will also run 2.0, I suspect it will or they wouldn't be advertising it as a developer phone, most likely same with the G1. The G1 seems a bit clunky to me. The keyboard is weak and flimsy, plus the processor seems slow. I've only tried one one time so take this into account. -John Coryat Radar Now! #20 in News and Weather What Zip Code? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
That's good to know. I'm not sure ATT will work for me because the coverage is poor at my home and office. I dropped it last year, and I'm on a prepaid TMobile voice plan. If the wifi, I may not need a data plan right away. Does it have sensors? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
[android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
It has the usual, compass, GPS, accelerometer, camera. Check out the specs on the developer page. Also has a good support forum: http://groups.google.com/group/io-device No mention of the 1 year warranty that I saw, hopefully it still has that. -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
Re: [android-developers] Re: Choosing Dev Phone
This does come up quite often. I ask myself If I could have just one of our phones, which would I choose? The answer is a tough one. If I wanted to develop apps that would run well on all (or nearly all) Android devices, I would pick a Dream dev phone because it's the first, and later phones are mostly equal or great in capacity (except, of course, HTC's new QVGA device). On the other hand, if I wanted a phone to last for a year or two, I'd pick the Droid because it has the larger screen (854x480), a proximity sensor, and already has Android 2.0. Consequently, all HTC phones can be purchased directly from their site, and Motorola is now selling the Droid and Cliq directly from their website as well. In the end I think I'd pick the Droid, but my decision is [admittedly] based on the assumption that it's harder to test on a platform I don't have (screen size, processor, sensors, 2.0) than to test on something more limited than what I have (which I might achieve in the simulator). Good luck! Scott SoftwareForMe.com Makers of PhoneMyPC On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Maps.Huge.Info (Maps API Guru) cor...@gmail.com wrote: It has the usual, compass, GPS, accelerometer, camera. Check out the specs on the developer page. Also has a good support forum: http://groups.google.com/group/io-device No mention of the 1 year warranty that I saw, hopefully it still has that. -John Coryat -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comandroid-developers%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en -- Warm regards, The PhoneMyPC Team -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Android Developers group. To post to this group, send email to android-developers@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to android-developers+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers?hl=en
