Re: [Anima] Magnus Westerlund's Discuss on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-22: (with DISCUSS)

2019-07-14 Thread Eliot Lear
Michael, Magnus, I want to reinforce a point I made in that previous discussion about pledges using BRSKI with H2 (and by extension QUIC). In this limited case, both present needless overhead both in terms of dev costs and COGS. H2 in particular, and in this particular case, introduces new

Re: [Anima] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-07-14 Thread Michael Richardson
Eliot> I think the simplest way to address the bulk of both Adam’s and Eliot> Warren’s concern is to require the device to emit via whatever Eliot> management interface exists, upon request, a voucher that it has Eliot> signed with its own iDevID. It would have to be nonceless with Eliot>

Re: [Anima] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-07-14 Thread Michael Richardson
Eliot Lear wrote: > Whether such a voucher would be pinned is something we do not have to > specify, with the risks of it not being pinned being born by the owner. I beg to differ! I think that the security properties are vastly different. It's why we decided when creating RFC8366 not

Re: [Anima] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-07-14 Thread Joel M. Halpern
I presume I am missing something basic. I have tried to follow this discussion, as it seems to be about a critical aspect of whether the BRSKI work is acceptable. I have assumed that what we needed is the ability for a buyer, who has physical possession of the device, and possibly some simple

Re: [Anima] Adam Roach's Discuss on draft-ietf-anima-bootstrapping-keyinfra-22: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)

2019-07-14 Thread Michael Richardson
Eliot Lear wrote: > I think the simplest way to address the bulk of both Adam’s and > Warren’s concern is to require the device to emit via whatever > management interface exists, upon request, a voucher that it has signed > with its own iDevID. It would have to be nonceless