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From: "Jerry Asher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Other languages
> B) Languages as independent black box modules. As an example,
> support for Gallery (PHP) doesn't imply PHP suppor
At 08:20 AM 11/8/2002, you wrote:
>On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 04:33:41AM -0500, Nathan Folkman wrote:
>
>> I hope to continue to see people stepping up to support different languages:
>> Tcl, Perl, Python, Java, PHP, etc. If there server is well designed, and
>> things are abstracted correctly, then t
> > This brings up another question: what constitutes a voting member?
> > Does one company get 1 vote, or does each employee at a company get a
> > vote?
>
> Each member of the core team should have a vote, regardless of company.
I meant in the community, who gets a vote?
Exactly. Even though they work for AOL, they are still a part of the
AOLserver community and should have a vote. I wish I could have put it
this clearly.
/s.
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From: AOLserver Discussion [mailto:AOLSERVER@;LISTSERV.AOL.COM] On Behalf
Of Jeff Hobbs
Sent: Friday, November
> Since AOL has already picked its representation, it seems to me they
> should not vote on the community half of the core team. Not that
> their votes would necessarily be wrong or bad or have any nefarious
> intention, but more in the interest of fairness, as has been said
I disagree on this po
> > It might also be nice to use cumulative voting. Since there are three
> > positions, everyone should get three votes. You can vote for three
> > nominees, or if you feel strongly, place all you votes for one nominee.
>
> As I recall, when the Tcl Core team was formed, and there were to be x #
>
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Tom Jackson wrote:
> It might also be nice to use cumulative voting. Since there are three
> positions, everyone should get three votes. You can vote for three
> nominees, or if you feel strongly, place all you votes for one nominee.
As I recall, when the Tcl Core team was for
Jim Wilcoxson wrote:
For myself, if rather short term limits are put on the members anyway,
I'd be satisfied with listing certain criteria to be a team member,
and letting any individual meeting those criteria participate on the
core team. If there are too many nominees, pick out of a hat. The
Since we are talking about these useful global data structures, I want
to again bring up a question. Jim once mentioned AOL's internal use of
what was called a 'network var', is there any chance the ideas or code
behind that could be released at some point?
--Tom Jackson
Hi - this sounds interesting. Can an ns_share emulation be
implemented on top of this new shared var mechanism with good
performance, i.e., at least equivalent to TCL7.6 ns_shares?
Jim
>
> On Friday 08 November 2002 23:34, you wrote:
> > Perhaps nsv should be replaced with the svar work Zoran ha
Since AOL has already picked its representation, it seems to me they
should not vote on the community half of the core team. Not that
their votes would necessarily be wrong or bad or have any nefarious
intention, but more in the interest of fairness, as has been said
before. Just my opinion.
Thi
On Friday 08 November 2002 23:34, you wrote:
> Perhaps nsv should be replaced with the svar work Zoran had worked on? You
> could provide backwards compatibility wrappers of course. What do you think
> Zoran?
The code in current threading extension, implementing the thread shared
variables (aka ns
I think I understand what you intended. Thanks for clearing it up for
me.
/s.
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From: AOLserver Discussion [mailto:AOLSERVER@;LISTSERV.AOL.COM] On Behalf
Of Peter M. Jansson
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 3:58 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] How I'll vo
Title: Message
I
stand corrected! It's nice to be wanted by someone other than the police for a
change.
What I
meant by that statement was that you have a team that is focused on AOLserver,
while the community is rather fragmented and unfocused on AOLserver as a whole
-- we aren't organiz
Good points, but I think they're all moot in this particular election.
All of the nominees I'm aware of are great candidates to be on the
community-side of the core team, and all of them would do a superb job
of representing the community's interests. So the question *not* will
the elected communi
In a message dated 11/8/2002 5:42:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm not sure, but I think Zoran already DID make his stuff backwards
compatabile with the nsv_* API. I haven't tried his (way cool, btw!)
Tcl Thead Extension yet, but last I checked its tls code was organized
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 05:34:43PM -0500, Nathan Folkman wrote:
> In a message dated 11/8/2002 10:50:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > Well, AOLserver really SHOULD ship with a C API to nsv, but since it
> > doesn't, I created my own partial one. It was pretty easy. Bu
In a message dated 11/8/2002 10:50:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 07:36:33AM -0800, Jim Wilcoxson wrote:
>Creating a TCL-accessible array in a C module is trival. Just pass
Ah, thanks! Sometimes having one simple example in front of you is so
much
In a message dated 11/8/2002 4:52:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But I didn't really mean to bend anyone out of shape over this. It was
just a question, and I didn't know if it had occurred to anyone else.
Pete, I think you raise very valid points. I don't think there wo
My point was that my criteria -- and they are just mine, I don't think
anyone should feel obliged to use them -- were less a set of checkboxes
than a set of weighted scores, and that the scores for the individual can
balance with the scores for team as a whole. If one person is weaker at
coding, b
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 04:27 PM, Scott S. Goodwin wrote:
Should the AOL dev team members have a vote? Absolutely. They are
involved with AOLserver as individuals, they run the largest sites that
use AOLserver.
I've been lucky enough to get some contracting gigs with AOL over the
years,
On Friday 08 November 2002 16:17, Gabriel Ricard wrote:
> Am I missing something? I only recall the one with the lions and the
> one with the cars.
> What was the other one?
google for 'Albegas'
--
Lamar Owen
WGCR Internet Radio
1 Peter 4:11
In a message dated 11/8/2002 4:27:48 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
They don't need us, but we do need them, and the
fact that they are now willing to take this risk speaks volumes given
the tone of the past relationship between the AOLserver community and
AOL.
Actually, we
I read it, but sadly I had to lookup Voltron on the net. I lived
overseas at the time, and when I came back to the states, went straight
to college, sans television. So I'm not up on popular tv culture of that
era.
I hope a thorough knowledge of Voltron isn't a prerequisite for being on
the core t
You must have skipped over the "Voltron" paragraph.
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 04:27 PM, Scott S. Goodwin wrote:
I don't consider myself a
black-belt in the martial art of coding, which means I probably don't
qualify based on the criteria you've given, so I guess I lost your vote.
Peter M. Jansson wrote:
> Since the core team members will be chosen by vote,
> I think it's useful to talk about how to decide for
> whom to vote, so I thought I'd lead off by describing
> the criteria I'll use. I've got a prioritized list...
One criteria you missed was the willingness to learn
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 01:53 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
On Friday 08 November 2002 13:40, Patrick Spence wrote:
Heheh, my first thought was "but Voltron used 5 lions.. not 3" :)
Which of the three Voltrons? :-) There was a Voltron with three parts.
Am I missing something? I only recal
Daniel C. Wickstrom wrote:
> For instance, a big hurdle in integrating java with aolserver was
> due to the way aolserver initiates startup. While starting,
> aolserver blocks signals.
Instead of blocking them, it might be possible to have aolserver catch
signals and write a signal handler that
- Original Message -
From: "Tom Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] Other languages (was: Project Update)
> Patrick Spence wrote:
>
> > The more people using the software in my mind means the larger
likelyho
- Original Message -
From: "Lamar Owen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 11:53 AM
Subject: [AOLSERVER] [OT] Re: [AOLSERVER] How I'll vote for core team
members (long)
> On Friday 08 November 2002 13:40, Patrick Spence wrote:
> > Heheh, my first t
In a message dated 11/8/2002 2:50:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Should nominees be prohibited from voting as well, then?
-- Dossy
I think everyone should get one vote, which you can chose to use for yourself, or for someone else. Hadn't really given much thought to wheth
On 2002.11.08, Peter M. Jansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Since AOL already has representatives on the core team, should AOL
> employees be prohibited from voting for community core team members?
Should nominees be prohibited from voting as well, then?
-- Dossy
--
Dossy Shiobara
Since AOL already has representatives on the core team, should AOL
employees be prohibited from voting for community core team members?
Patrick Spence wrote:
> The more people using the software in my mind means the larger likelyhood
> that the software will remain developed.. so its purely selfish on my part..
> put that together with the added advantage that with more people using it
> there is likely to be more people coding ad
"Michael A. Cleverly" wrote:
> The aol3.3+ad13 distribution has an "nsrewrite" .so module that enables
> this, iirc.
This module is like the best thing since sliced bread, so simple yet so
good. :)
--Tom Jackson
On Friday 08 November 2002 13:43, Jim Wilcoxson wrote:
> Here is a TCL hack to serve files w/o case sensitivity (not tested):
I might give that a whirl later. The loopback-mount VFAT works, and works
well, as long as you remember VFAT's root directory limits on number of
files.
Basically: nsadmi
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 02:05 PM, Jim Wilcoxson wrote:
But in the problem definition, all files were stored in lowercase on disk.
:)
Sorry about that. I had my brain filters on when reading.
But in the problem definition, all files were stored in lowercase on disk. :)
Jim
>
> On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 01:43 PM, Jim Wilcoxson wrote:
>
> > Here is a TCL hack to serve files w/o case sensitivity (not tested):
> >
> That works when the problem is people entering "http://someserver/F
On Friday 08 November 2002 13:40, Patrick Spence wrote:
> Heheh, my first thought was "but Voltron used 5 lions.. not 3" :)
Which of the three Voltrons? :-) There was a Voltron with three parts.
Way off-topic. Sorry.
--
Lamar Owen
WGCR Internet Radio
1 Peter 4:11
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 11:19:09AM -0700, Michael A. Cleverly wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Andrew Piskorski wrote:
>
> > And 'ns_conn request' gives you the URL as received from the client,
> > but AFAIK there's no API to let you change it.
>
> The aol3.3+ad13 distribution has an "nsrewrite" .so mo
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 01:43 PM, Jim Wilcoxson wrote:
Here is a TCL hack to serve files w/o case sensitivity (not tested):
That works when the problem is people entering "http://someserver/FOO";
rather than "http://someserver/foo";, but it won't help the case where
someone entered the
Here is a TCL hack to serve files w/o case sensitivity (not tested):
ns_register_proc GET / servit
ns_register_proc POST / servit
ns_register_proc HEAD / servit
proc servit {conn ignore} {
set url [string tolower [ns_conn url]]
if {[file exists [ns_info pageroot]$url]} {
ns_returnfile 20
On Friday 08 November 2002 13:26, Rob Mayoff wrote:
> +-- On Nov 8, Lamar Owen said:
> > This may be an obvious one, but I'm trying to move a site over from an
> > IIS host to an AOLserver one, and the web pages link to mixed-case
> > filenames. However, the filenames are all actually lower
- Original Message -
From: "Lamar Owen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: [AOLSERVER] How I'll vote for core team members (long)
> On Friday 08 November 2002 13:25, Peter M. Jansson wrote:
> > here. Every core team member do
On Friday 08 November 2002 13:25, Peter M. Jansson wrote:
> here. Every core team member does not have to have every criterion, but
> the three candidates need to be able to join together, Voltron-like, to
I don't know which is scarier. The fact he used 'Voltron' in a sentence, or
the fact that
On 2002.11.08, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -> I was looking at a page last night that had a list of numerous
> -> languages available for AOLServer.
> -> http://www.panoptic.com/wiki/aolserver/0.html
>
> You know, I've been on this list for something like 3 years and I've
> *neve
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 12:51 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
Does anyone know of a solution better than storing
the files on a FAT filesystem with Linux doing the case reversion in the
filesystem layer?
If you run it on Mac OS X off of an HFS+ partition, you'll get the
case-insensitive, case-pre
+-- On Nov 8, Lamar Owen said:
> This may be an obvious one, but I'm trying to move a site over from an IIS
> host to an AOLserver one, and the web pages link to mixed-case filenames.
> However, the filenames are all actually lower case, meaning I get a lot of
> 404's.
Write a module that
It is available from http://www.vorteon.com/download/
It is a short TCL script by David Walker.
Roberto Mello wrote:
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 06:15:00PM +, Jamie Rasmussen wrote:
>Have you tried ns_speling? (I haven't.) Any reason why you couldn't
>register a preauth filter to handle your
On Friday 08 November 2002 13:10, Michael A. Cleverly wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Lamar Owen wrote:
> > With IIS this works fine. Broken, perhaps -- but it works. There are
> > several thousand pages involved, and we want to mirror the two sites.
> > Changing all the links is not an option due to
Since the core team members will be chosen by vote, I think it's useful to
talk about how to decide for whom to vote, so I thought I'd lead off by
describing the criteria I'll use. I've got a prioritized list I'll share
here. Every core team member does not have to have every criterion, but
the t
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Andrew Piskorski wrote:
> And 'ns_conn request' gives you the URL as received from the client,
> but AFAIK there's no API to let you change it.
The aol3.3+ad13 distribution has an "nsrewrite" .so module that enables
this, iirc.
Michael
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 06:15:00PM +, Jamie Rasmussen wrote:
> Have you tried ns_speling? (I haven't.) Any reason why you couldn't
> register a preauth filter to handle your problem?
I didn't even know there was an ns_speling. Is it on the aolserver cvs? If
not, where can one find it?
-Robe
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 12:51:58PM -0500, Lamar Owen wrote:
> This may be an obvious one, but I'm trying to move a site over from an IIS
> host to an AOLserver one, and the web pages link to mixed-case filenames.
> However, the filenames are all actually lower case, meaning I get a lot of
> 404's.
Have you tried ns_speling? (I haven't.) Any reason why you couldn't
register a preauth filter to handle your problem?
Jamie
Lamar Owen wrote:
>There used to be a "custom 404/notfound" handler module for Aolserver
that
>would give you the option of having it check for case mismatch as part of
On Fri, 8 Nov 2002, Lamar Owen wrote:
> This may be an obvious one, but I'm trying to move a site over from an IIS
> host to an AOLserver one, and the web pages link to mixed-case filenames.
> However, the filenames are all actually lower case, meaning I get a lot of
> 404's.
>
> With IIS this wor
On Friday 08 November 2002 13:05, Patrick Spence wrote:
> From: "Lamar Owen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > This may be an obvious one, but I'm trying to move a site over from an
> > IIS host to an AOLserver one, and the web pages link to mixed-case
> > filenames. However, the filenames are all actually l
- Original Message -
From: "Lamar Owen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:51 AM
Subject: [AOLSERVER] URL case insensitivity.
> This may be an obvious one, but I'm trying to move a site over from an IIS
> host to an AOLserver one, and the web pa
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 12:51 PM, Lamar Owen wrote:
This may be an obvious one, but I'm trying to move a site over from an
IIS
host to an AOLserver one, and the web pages link to mixed-case
filenames.
However, the filenames are all actually lower case, meaning I get a
lot of
404's.
I re
This may be an obvious one, but I'm trying to move a site over from an IIS
host to an AOLserver one, and the web pages link to mixed-case filenames.
However, the filenames are all actually lower case, meaning I get a lot of
404's.
With IIS this works fine. Broken, perhaps -- but it works. There a
-> I was looking at a page last night that had a list of numerous
-> languages available for AOLServer.
-> http://www.panoptic.com/wiki/aolserver/0.html
You know, I've been on this list for something like 3 years and I've
*never* heard of this page or most of these integration projects!
Cool!
It
-> Now, if adding other scripting language support could be done without
-> adding any baggage to the core -- as external modules -- I'm all for it.
-> However, I would hate to see the core get bogged down with stuff to
-> accomdate all sorts of languages if it means negative impact towards its
->
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 01:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
-> Speaking from the point of view of a recent convert from the
Apache/PHP
-> world, one thing that will really lower the bar for people like me
is a
-> document (or article) along the lines of "AOLServer and Tcl for
-> Apache/PH
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 04:33:41AM -0500, Nathan Folkman wrote:
> I hope to continue to see people stepping up to support different languages:
> Tcl, Perl, Python, Java, PHP, etc. If there server is well designed, and
> things are abstracted correctly, then there would be no reason not to support
Ok, the way I get data from the DB now is much like this:
function db_select($table, $fields, $where) {
...
}
This function creates a select statement based on the criteria I pass
in and returns a single row which I can access like this in PHP:
User: ,
Phone Number:
I use another function t
On Fri, Nov 08, 2002 at 07:36:33AM -0800, Jim Wilcoxson wrote:
> Creating a TCL-accessible array in a C module is trival. Just pass
Ah, thanks! Sometimes having one simple example in front of you is so
much more useful than any number of man pages. :)
> You use Tcl_GetVar to read simple TCL va
On 2002.11.08, Rogers Gene A Civ 96 CG/SCTOB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I don't really want stir up dust on this one, not too much, because it
> hasn't been a real hinderance for me, but the solution presented still would
> allow something like:
>
> set username [ns_conn authuser]
> if { [check
Title: RE: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver Project Update
I don't really want stir up dust on this one, not too much, because it hasn't been a real hinderance for me, but the solution presented still would allow something like:
set username [ns_conn authuser]
if { [check $something] == 1 } {
Creating a TCL-accessible array in a C module is trival. Just pass
the name of the TCL array variable to the C module, then in the C
code, do:
if (Tcl_SetVar2(interp, arrayname, subscript, val, TCL_LEAVE_ERR_MSG) == NULL) {
return TCL_ERROR;
}
Args 2-4 are just simple strings. The array na
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 10:06 AM, Dossy wrote:
While there are folks talented at selling ice to eskimos, my normal
sales pitch is "AOLserver is not for you."
Heh - interesting approach! Unfortunately, it doesn't work for us
since the majority of our sites are OpenACS-based and it requi
Hi Folks,
I have a question regarding the latest 3.5.0 release of AolServer. Does
this version support HTTP 1.1, and more specifically HTTP 1.1 pipelining?
If not, is this planned for the version 4?
Cheers,
Pete.
--
Peter Harper
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
On 2002.11.08, Peter M. Jansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The only reason I do the other thing is that the method you're using is
> really hostile to Dreamweaver, Mozilla Composer, or GoLive. I can edit my
> HTML in my WYSIWYG editor, and some of the editors include facilities for
> doing thi
On 2002.11.08, Janine Sisk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Because those of us who are already out there selling it find that in
> many places, they won't even consider running a web server that the CTO
> has never heard of. If it ain't written up in Business Week, or
> whatever the current magazine
Scott Goodwin wrote:
> But you are correct in that we need to support other languages. That
> could be done with modules, and maybe some means of binding to internal
> Tcl data structures at the C level could be found so that, say, a java
> module can exchange data *directly* with Tcl internally --
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 09:35 AM, Dossy wrote:
This is how I implement this:
<%
if {[check $something] == 1} {
ns_adp_puts {
break out of Tcl mode and process some HTML
conditionally
}
}
%>
The only reason I do the other thing
On Friday, November 8, 2002, at 06:42 AM, Dossy wrote:
I don't understand why people are looking for "wider adoption of
AOLserver" or "as much publicity as Apache" or whatnot ... while it's
nice having a large community of users, some of which might contribute
back to the open source project ...
On 2002.11.08, Peter M. Jansson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 09:27 PM, Gabriel Ricard wrote:
> >
> > if { [check $something] == 1 } {
> > %>
> > break out of Tcl mode and process some HTML
> >conditionally
> >
On Thursday, November 7, 2002, at 09:27 PM, Gabriel Ricard wrote:
- Note: my only gripe with ADP is that the following does not
appear
to work:
if { [check $something] == 1 } {
%>
break out of Tcl mode and process some HTML
conditionall
> I don't understand why people are looking for "wider adoption of
> AOLserver" or "as much publicity as Apache" or whatnot ... while it's
> nice having a large community of users, some of which might contribute
> back to the open source project ... having a piece of software that
> enables the rig
On 2002.11.07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think Tcl (or, rather, "single language support") is one of the big things
> holding AOLserver back. It's nice that you're all convinced of your
> godliness under Tcl ;), but other smart people like other languages, and
> they're no
In a message dated 11/8/2002 3:09:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Perl would be tricky, but a few years ago, when
we were just starting to get serious about PyWX, someone mentioned that
they'd started a Perl integration project for AOLserver. I'd be interested
in taking a l
In a message dated 11/7/2002 7:32:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I second the idea of organizing commands by function. I think the
current documentation at aolserver.com does a good job of this:
http://www.aolserver.com/docs/devel/tcl/api/
I hope we will still be able to h
-> > I think Tcl (or, rather, "single language support")
-> > is one of the big things holding AOLserver back.
->
-> I thought the same thing two years ago. I'm now convinced Tcl was and is
-> still the right choice for the core scripting language, and believe it
-> should remain the core language.
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