[AOLSERVER] Build/installation complexity with AOLserver 4 (for package maintainers) (was Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution)

2005-08-25 Thread John Caruso
At Wednesday 07:16 PM 8/24/2005, Andrew Piskorski wrote: John Caruso wrote: Basically, AOLserver 4 is hostile to being built (or having its modules built) in anything other than its final installation directory. Frankly, I'm not sure what you're talking about. I explained one facet of it in

Re: [AOLSERVER] nsfreetds

2005-08-25 Thread Mark Aufflick
I know this is a late followup, but I was just reading up on sybase/aolserver connectivity and came across this thread. Are you saying that you are trying to run ACS/OpenACS on Sybase/MSSQL ? Classic ACS only runs on Oracle 8 and OpenACS only runs on Postgresql 7.x or Oracle 8/9 (exact

Re: [AOLSERVER] Build/installation complexity with AOLserver 4 (for package maintainers) (was Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution)

2005-08-25 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2005.08.24, John Caruso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But AOLserver 4 doesn't let you do this, and in fact makes it very difficult to achieve at all (much more so that it was under AOLserver 3.4.2, as I showed in my posting). Maybe I'm misunderstanding this, but ... at least for the tip of the

Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution

2005-08-25 Thread Jim Davidson
Dynamic link is best -- there was a lot of effort recently to get all that working right recently, with modules as small stubs that call into the dll's located in the lib/ directory and such. -Jim On Aug 25, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Olaf Mersmann wrote: Another issue I am undecided on is

Re: [AOLSERVER] Build/installation complexity with AOLserver 4 (for package maintainers) (was Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution)

2005-08-25 Thread Jim Davidson
Nate's working on some config stuff as well -- would be good to coordinate the efforts and get it into the core distribution. -jim On Aug 25, 2005, at 9:52 AM, Olaf Mersmann wrote: * Jim Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050825 15:24]: *snip* 7. would also be good if something in the

Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution

2005-08-25 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2005.08.25, Olaf Mersmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I plan on setting the -rpaths to the default install directory (/opt/aolserver/ - any objections?) [...] This is exactly the danger of using -R/-rpath. On Solaris, /opt is a popular place to install packages. On Linux, /usr/local is

Re: [AOLSERVER] Build/installation complexity with AOLserver 4 (for package maintainers) (was Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution)

2005-08-25 Thread Olaf Mersmann
* Jim Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050825 15:24]: *snip* 7. would also be good if something in the install helped build up the server nsd.tcl config as well I'm working on a simple nsd.tcl generation TCL script for the Batteries Included AOLserver distribution. Maybe parts of this can be

Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution

2005-08-25 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2005.08.25, Jim Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dynamic link is best -- there was a lot of effort recently to get all that working right recently, with modules as small stubs that call into the dll's located in the lib/ directory and such. On Aug 25, 2005, at 10:00 AM, Olaf Mersmann

Re: [AOLSERVER] Build/installation complexity with AOLserver 4 (for package maintainers) (was Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution)

2005-08-25 Thread Nathan Folkman
I am indeed. :-) Basically I've started creating a series of small config examples which can be concatenated together based on which features you would like to enable. See: $AOLSERVER/examples/config. Example: cat base.tcl nscp.tcl nsd.tcl (would create base AOLserver config with a

Re: [AOLSERVER] Build/installation complexity with AOLserver 4 (for package maintainers) (was Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution)

2005-08-25 Thread Jim Davidson
Folks, OK -- so it sounds like we have the following goals: 1. sources need to be configurable and buildable in the source directory 2. final install location needs to be part of the config for all the - rpath junk 3. install/copy step needs to bypass the final install location and copy to

Re: [AOLSERVER] Build/installation complexity with AOLserver 4 (for package maintainers) (was Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution)

2005-08-25 Thread Dossy Shiobara
On 2005.08.25, Nathan Folkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $ bin/tclsh84 ./nsconfig.tcl -debug -modules nscp or maybe this is better... A thin ADP application that stores config settings in a AGF file which is then used to forward-generate a nsd.tcl. Web-based config. It was all the rage in the

Re: [AOLSERVER] Build/installation complexity with AOLserver 4 (for package maintainers) (was Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution)

2005-08-25 Thread Nathan Folkman
On Aug 25, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Dossy Shiobara wrote: On 2005.08.25, Nathan Folkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $ bin/tclsh84 ./nsconfig.tcl -debug -modules nscp or maybe this is better... A thin ADP application that stores config settings in a AGF file which is then used to forward-generate a

Re: [AOLSERVER] Build/installation complexity with AOLserver 4 (for package maintainers) (was Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution)

2005-08-25 Thread Jim Davidson
Ugh -- that thing was a mess and hard to maintain. Better to start over. -Jim On Aug 25, 2005, at 11:22 AM, Nathan Folkman wrote: On Aug 25, 2005, at 11:12 AM, Dossy Shiobara wrote: On 2005.08.25, Nathan Folkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $ bin/tclsh84 ./nsconfig.tcl -debug -modules

Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution

2005-08-25 Thread Jim Davidson
Yup -- that's what I understood the question to be and agree, link against the dynamic libraries. -Jim On Aug 25, 2005, at 10:53 AM, Dossy Shiobara wrote: On 2005.08.25, Jim Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dynamic link is best -- there was a lot of effort recently to get all that

Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution

2005-08-25 Thread Tom Jackson
On Thursday 25 August 2005 07:29, Dossy Shiobara wrote: On 2005.08.25, Olaf Mersmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, I plan on setting the -rpaths to the default install directory (/opt/aolserver/ - any objections?) [...] This is exactly the danger of using -R/-rpath. On Solaris, /opt is a

Re: [AOLSERVER] Build/installation complexity with AOLserver 4 (for package maintainers) (was Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution)

2005-08-25 Thread Olaf Mersmann
* Dossy Shiobara [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050825 17:18]: On 2005.08.25, Nathan Folkman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: *snip* A thin ADP application that stores config settings in a AGF file which is then used to forward-generate a nsd.tcl. My current setup is pretty frontend neutral. The current system

Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution

2005-08-25 Thread Olaf Mersmann
* Dossy Shiobara [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050825 17:00]: On 2005.08.25, Jim Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dynamic link is best -- there was a lot of effort recently to get all that working right recently, with modules as small stubs that call into the dll's located in the lib/ directory

Re: [AOLSERVER] AOLserver 4.x ADP parser

2005-08-25 Thread Alastair N. Young
If it is any help, here is a patch I wrote to restore the functionality in our 4.0.10 distribution. Seems to work Index: nsd/adpparse.c === RCS file: /bom-cvs/out-source/aolserver-4.0.10/nsd/adpparse.c,v retrieving revision 1.1

Re: [AOLSERVER] Build/installation complexity with AOLserver 4 (for package maintainers)

2005-08-25 Thread John Caruso
At Thursday 05:23 AM 8/25/2005, Dossy Shiobara wrote: On 2005.08.24, John Caruso [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But AOLserver 4 doesn't let you do this, and in fact makes it very difficult to achieve at all (much more so that it was under AOLserver 3.4.2, as I showed in my posting). Maybe I'm

Re: [AOLSERVER] Build/installation complexity with AOLserver 4 (for package maintainers)

2005-08-25 Thread John Caruso
At Thursday 06:16 AM 8/25/2005, Jim Davidson wrote: 3. install/copy step needs to bypass the final install location and copy to some other root I'd say should be able to instead of needs to, but yep, this would be very helpful. 8. finally, something should be done to rationalize the build of

Re: [AOLSERVER] Batteries included AOLserver distribution

2005-08-25 Thread Olaf Mersmann
* Dossy Shiobara [EMAIL PROTECTED] [050824 07:21]: On 2005.08.24, Olaf Mersmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another point I'm still unsure about is weather to ship stripped libs and binaries No ... please don't. It makes debugging other people's problems much harder if they're running

Re: [AOLSERVER] Build/installation complexity with AOLserver 4 (for package maintainers)

2005-08-25 Thread John Caruso
One other thing: At Thursday 06:16 AM 8/25/2005, Jim Davidson wrote: There was a lot of effort recently to use Tcl in the build to get around windows/unix incompatibilities -- sounds like more work is needed on the Unix specific pieces to get this right and draw in the common modules. Is this

[AOLSERVER] Serveur not starting

2005-08-25 Thread Marc Kalberer
Hi, I successufully install, configure and run openacs on AOlserver4 (debian version aolserver4_4.0.10-3). Everything was running find until I update my system. Now impossible to start aolserver I got a AOLSERVER@LISTSERV.AOL.COM Starting web server: dotlrn

Re: [AOLSERVER] nsfreetds

2005-08-25 Thread Ian Harding
I don't think anyone said anything about ACS nsfreetds is an AOLServer module. On 8/25/05, Mark Aufflick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I know this is a late followup, but I was just reading up on sybase/aolserver connectivity and came across this thread. Are you saying that you are trying to